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#72432 - 12/12/05 01:28 PM Is she too Young???
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I have had a for about 3 months now he is about 4 months old. Since he seemed like he needed a playmate I found a glider on the net. Well she is only about 9 weeks old now. And when I put them both in the cage all she would o is when he got close was atttact him. He wouldn't fight or even crab when he go bit. He was just tying I guess be good and she would run away when he got close. So I put them both in the pouch and she crabs. So I kinda of shook the pouch so that if she was going to fight she couldn't because of the pouch oving and it stoped until I opened the zipper and he came out like he wanted nothing to do with her. Whats the deal why is she kicking his [censored] and she only 9 weeks old when he is 4 months old.

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#72433 - 12/12/05 01:48 PM Re: Is she too Young??? [Re: ]
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How long have you had the female, did you set her up her own seperate cage or just put her directly into his?

Your male is probably hitting that sexually mature mark or will be within a month or two, which means that if you put them together he might try to breed with her which can lead to her getting very badly injured. I have a male that is 5-6 months and two girls that are 2-3 months and still haave not put them in the same cage because he is bigger than them. She may be trying to defend herself because she is scared. Hope this helps <img src="/ubbthreads/images/graemlins/smile.gif" alt="" />

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#72434 - 12/12/05 03:58 PM Re: Is she too Young??? [Re: ]
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Awww..poor baby. She's just a wee one. He's a big boy to her! We have a boy and girl that are 7 mos. and (not sure of Grace's age) a girl that is very young. We have them in separate cages about 8 inches apart so they can talk to eachother, but not fight. Sometimes, we let them play supervised together, but if she gets upset..out she comes. (We use a play tent and sit in it with them) It will be many months before your glider kids will be ready to get along. <img src="/ubbthreads/images/graemlins/smile.gif" alt="" />
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#72435 - 12/12/05 04:06 PM Re: Is she too Young??? [Re: ]
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A 9 week old female is much much to young to be in with a 4 month old male. He could very easily hurt her. I suggest seperate cages until she is atleast 8 months old and is closer to his size. Males can and will rape, oftenly violently a younger female before she is mature. This can cause serious harm to her both physically and emotionally. Please house them seperately until she is older then go through the proper introductions. You can't just take two gliders and put them together, especially with the male age/female age differences that you have.
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#72436 - 12/12/05 04:17 PM Re: Is she too Young??? [Re: ]
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They definitely should be separated, not only for the Age issues but also when introducing two potential cage mates you should house them separately so that they have time to get used to each others scents, during this time swapping of pouches and cage toys allows them to become familiar with each others smell and eases the introductions process… not all gliders will get along together either…
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#72437 - 12/12/05 05:38 PM Re: Is she too Young??? [Re: ]
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Ekkk... I hope they can get along. The reason I put them toghter was to see what they would do I wasn't out to keep her in the cage... I just watched and I was trying to figure out what the heck she was upset about... So I'm thinking now Since I'm low on money I'l just every other night one goes into the hamster cage and the other one gets the big cage for the night. I think that would help on the them getting use to each other. Yea I know I should have 2 big cages but I don't so one will get it one night and the other one will get it the next. Is that better than switching out toys? I have had the female for only a day now and what I've seen I was trying to figure out. She was only with the male for about 2 hours when I was in the living room and when I had enought of he crabbing I took her out and put her into her own small space. As soon as I did that she whent stright to the food and water so I seen right there it's going to take some work... I was just hoping that she and him would be first sight and not fight but eh I guess that chance is out the window. and I guess he is mature or hit it early because of what I see. I just want to know is another way going about this so I can put them both in the same cage? Not watching them the whole time but some how a way that I don't have to buy another cage.

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#72438 - 12/12/05 07:40 PM Re: Is she too Young??? [Re: ]
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Anything I'm missing? Anymore suggestions?

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#72439 - 12/12/05 10:11 PM Re: Is she too Young??? [Re: ]
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We rotate cages every 2 nights right now even between our two females until we feel they are ready for intros. We hope that one day they can share the large cage. Also, when the babies we are getting are older we hope we can introduce the 2 of them for a total of 4 in our big cage. But for now, we just rotate between the smaller and larger cages every couple of nights. They each have a wheel and lots of toys. You can get some pretty good deals on cages on Ebay that it seems many members from GC use. ( I don't know how to do the links and all of that yet but others here do. ) I have the hex cage from Lisa at Suncoast right now because we thought that would be the only one we needed. If we end up not being able to put some of these females together, we will probably get a couple of the ebay cages and go from there.

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#72440 - 12/13/05 12:02 AM Re: Is she too Young??? [Re: ]
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Ok I decided to put both in the cage for a few hours she crabbed for like 2 mins and then she suggled up to him and they both slept for hours not even a sound of crabbing then I decided to see whats the deal and opened the pouch and see and she was all on top of him cruled up dead asleep. So i put her next to her food dish and she ate like half od a rasin and then feel asleep in he dish. How much is she going to be sleeping? Should I leave her now in the cage seeing that they haven't fought for hours or should I just be safe and keep her away at night or let them be next to each other only when I'm watching them close?

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#72441 - 12/13/05 12:22 AM Re: Is she too Young??? [Re: ]
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Hi Steve,

Glad to hear that she snuggled with him. Is your male neutered yet <img src="/ubbthreads/images/graemlins/question.gif" alt="" /> <img src="/ubbthreads/images/graemlins/question.gif" alt="" /> <img src="/ubbthreads/images/graemlins/question.gif" alt="" /> She will most likely sleep a lot at her age, and the younger ones tend to get up later than an adult (1-3am in not uncommon).
If not maybe you should consider having him done really soon, like some of the others said it could end up with bad results if you leave them together and he matures.

At 9 weeks she is very young, and all she has ever known is her parents. If someone took you away from your family when you were only a few years old I think you'd kick up a stink too <img src="/ubbthreads/images/graemlins/crazy.gif" alt="" />.

I would suggest seperating them when you are asleep or not there to keep an eye on things, it's always better to be safe than sorry.

Good luck, and please keep us posted as to how they are doing.

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#72442 - 12/13/05 01:21 AM Re: Is she too Young??? [Re: ]
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I have to agree with almost everything said here. She is way too young to be with this male unless he is nuetered.

If he rapes her, he can KILL her, you have to be aware of that and take responsibility for the lives in your care. She should be at least 8 mos OOP before being introduced to a sexually mature male (which is what you have).

Even if the ages are appropriate, proper intro procedures are recommended. You can find these procedures in the bonding & Relations forum.

Also, I am very concerned about your use of a hamster cage. As these 2 gliders cannot be housed together, you WILL NEED to aquire another GLIDER SAFE cage that is AT LEAST 24"W x 24"D x 36"H, those are the MINIMUM recommended dimensions for a glider cage. A hamster cage is incredibly small for a glider & is restrictive to their movement. They NEED to be able to jump and glide. A glider in a small cage will become depressed. There are many great deals on ebay, I would suggest looking there & purchasing one immediatly.

Please take great care with these babies, they depend on you.

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#72443 - 12/13/05 01:25 AM Re: Is she too Young??? [Re: ]
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Will it take 8 months before she will be mature or can she become eariler?

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#72444 - 12/13/05 01:26 AM Re: Is she too Young??? [Re: ]
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Why also is it that my male never really jumps but she jumps all the time and will leap acrossed like 10 feet to get to her pouch where the male won't leap more than 1 foot.

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#72445 - 12/13/05 01:47 AM Re: Is she too Young??? [Re: ]
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I'm Going to be taking care of them if you read the post I will be switching them out. I'm not going to keep one in the hamster cage 24/7 dang I'm not that stupid If you read there is another member doing the same thing. "purplepower1" and eeryone I have asked says I can do the same thing. I'm not stupid and not going to house them in the same cage only but for a few hours a day to get them used to each other. I'm keeping a eye on them so that nothing will happen. Just seems one member thought I wasn't doing my job. The other Moderator's said it was ok except one. I'm doing my job and no I not going to let her die, or let her get hurt. Jeezzz

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#72446 - 12/13/05 01:50 AM Re: Is she too Young??? [Re: ]
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Steve. I can't put this any more plainly. A female glider should NOT be put with a sexual mature male until the female is atleast 8 months out of pouch. To put a 9 week oop female with a sexually mature male is irresponsible and dangerous to the female.

Females can get pregnant as young as 4 months oop but that is like a 12 year old human girl getting pregnant. No way would she be ready to be a mother and the risk to the joey is very high that she will either canabalize it or reject it. If she rejects it, you will have to hand feed it every hour and a half, stimulate it to potty, keep it warm and in the end, it probably will either not survive or quite probably have health issues. And it can put her health at serious risk as well.

You need to keep these two seperated unless you are right there to supervise to make sure he doesn't try to mate her.

I strongly suggest you have him neutered. Then in about 6 weeks post surgery, you should be able to put them together. It will take 6-8 weeks after neutering for his hormone level to drop before it is safe to put them together.
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#72447 - 12/13/05 02:02 AM Re: Is she too Young??? [Re: ]
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I'm thinking about that getting him fixed. But until then I'm not keeping them toghter at night. Why does everyone think thats going to happen I have only had her now for 2 days. and have had thim for 3 months.

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#72448 - 12/13/05 02:53 AM Re: Is she too Young??? [Re: ]
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Registered: 02/22/03
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Loc: Jacksonville, FL
Steve, people are just concerned..no one is trying to bash you, honest. Some of us have seen tragedy happen in a matter of minutes, night OR day..and don't want someone else learning the hard way, as others have. Of course you need to use what cages you have, but if you can get a larger one as soon as possible, it would be a good idea. It can stress them into overgrooming and even illness, both the swapping and cage size, and I have personally seen it happen.

Also, sexual maturity is not the only issue..she also needs to be of a size where she can defend herself if they do get into a fight, and joeys with older gliders in that situation inevitably come out the loser. Even when fixed, if you decide to neuter, it will be 30 to 60 days before the hormones and mating urge are gone and it ceases to be an issue. We just don't want to see you coming suddenly with a sick, injured or savaged (like him ripping a hole in her neck trying to mate) glider. All of us have made mistakes and been beginners with our babies...we're just trying to help you avoid the same mistakes and heartache-and are here to offer the benefit of experience, both good and bad. Sometimes, advice can sound like criticism or accusation when it is not intended that way..one of the limitations when you can't hear tone of voice in a post. We can try and help you work within the confines of what you have, and try and help avoid tragedy.

My suggestions are a larger cage as soon as it is feasible, and to wait until she is about 8 mos. old (even if you were to neuter the male tomorrow, it would be about 2 months before it was safe for them to be together, simply from the sexual maturity standpoint, anyway). Start pouch/cage swapping when she is about 6 mos OOP, and by 8 they will be used to each others scents. Supervised play together, as long as they aren't fighting, ONLY when you are present..such as tent time or a glider safe room, just in case a fight breaks out or he tries to mate her..you would be surprised at how fast injury can happen.

IF he is neutered, and IF she is of a comparable size prior to 8 mos, and earlier intro may be workable if they get along, but you will have to wait and see how things develop.
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#72449 - 12/13/05 03:11 AM Re: Is she too Young??? [Re: ]
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This is how nasty a mating wound can look. This was about the size of a dime. It got infected with e-coli and she had to be put under anesthia for it to be cleaned. She actually quit breathing and had to be recessitated.

We just don't want you to have to go through anything like this, not to mention your little glider going through it.


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#72450 - 12/13/05 09:18 AM Re: Is she too Young??? [Re: ]
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Like I said I don't plan to put them in the smae cage unless I'm right there and if I do put them in the same cage I will be right there wit all the doors open. I just seeing how they are recting to each other and I'm just glad the way both of them are communitaion to each. Neither of them now crab (well he never crab) but when I place them ex: on the floor next to each other she just suggles up and goes to sleep. It looks like to me the way he is acting it like a farther not sure. But I'm not taing my chances buy leave them alone. She is young like another glider member said and very heart broken. So I figured if they aren't fighting it would be good if she had another glier to suggle up to every once in a while. Not like she is staying with him just maybe a hour or 2 at a time with me around. He hasn't tried to mate and with the way he is acting like a farther like I see he isn't going to try anytime soon. But there is allways that chance. Now because of room and lack of funds to just go out and purchace another cage. Could I take solar screen (much thicker then just ordanary screen) and half the cage down the center. She gets one side he gets the other. The cage would still be pretty hudge and way bigger than just the hamster cage. I would use zipties to sucure the screen. Heck I know neither can chew through it at all because it hard enough that a sharp knife has issues cutting it. But since I have lack of funds and not alot of room for another cage would hlfin it down the center work?

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#72451 - 12/13/05 09:36 AM Re: Is she too Young??? [Re: ]
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What size is the cage you have?
I don't think I know what solar screen is <img src="/ubbthreads/images/graemlins/nixweiss.gif" alt="" />.

Have you been carrying her around in a bonding pouch yet?

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#72452 - 12/13/05 11:37 AM Re: Is she too Young??? [Re: ]
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Oh the size I now ust went musured it I thought it was a bit small was a bit of. Well anyways 5.5 feet tall 4.5 feet wide and 3 feet deep. I have ben caring her around alot every chance I get so that she is not alone.

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#72453 - 12/13/05 11:49 AM Re: Is she too Young??? [Re: ]
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with my rescues that are smaller, I put a small stuffed animal, non furry type, one that looks like a squiral, glider ones are hard to find, then they sleep with it like its momma. Just a suggestion.

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#72454 - 12/13/05 12:09 PM Re: Is she too Young??? [Re: ]
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Great, you have a good sized cage. You should be able to divide either from top to bottom or across the middle (depending on where your doors are placed). Just make sure with whatever you use to seperate them that they can't get their hands or teeth at each other (to prevent any bites).

Take some photos of the end result to share with everyone.

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#72455 - 12/13/05 12:41 PM Re: Is she too Young??? [Re: ]
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I will take pic when I'm done. Solar screen is the stuff that goes on the outside of homes. Lik regular screen but like 20 times thicker it allows air movement to go through but with minmual light to come through.

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#72456 - 12/13/05 12:43 PM Re: Is she too Young??? [Re: ]
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she have has 2 finger puppets about the size of another glider.

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#72457 - 12/13/05 01:46 PM Re: Is she too Young??? [Re: ]
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Just please make sure that whatever you use is not galvanized metal - the zinc coating used to galvanize reacts with glider urine & will cause urinary tract infections when they rub their cloacas on it - this can lead not only to the obvious pain from the UTI, but to self mutilation behavior. Stay far far away from galvanized anything! Good luck!

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#72458 - 12/13/05 02:01 PM Re: Is she too Young??? [Re: ]
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Also you will want to make sure it is something that they can not chew through. Even if they are not normal chewers, if they want to get to each other badly enough, they WILL chew through the screen. And if you are not there, well, anything can happen.
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