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#743129 - 03/01/09 10:42 AM White Tip Genetics
Babydevilsangel
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I am just wondering if any of the breeders that are trying to figure out the white tip genetics are having any luck pinpointing how the white tip is actually expressed??

I have 2 little white tip babies that have come along from my white tip, and white tip het... but they've had about 8 babies that were normal before these guys. Is it just that sporadic? Or are the breeders working on it getting any closer to figuring out how it happens?

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#743157 - 03/01/09 12:20 PM Re: White Tip Genetics [Re: ]
insaneglider26
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I was wondering the same thing...
I have a male that is a white tip het and he through some babies with white tips whose mom was a supposed standard grey. It all seems confusing to me...

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#743162 - 03/01/09 12:28 PM Re: White Tip Genetics [Re: ]
KristopherDeRose
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I have a pair of wt and wf wt het they have had 6 babies 2 have been wts
Everytime they have a single and they were wt...

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#743167 - 03/01/09 12:47 PM Re: White Tip Genetics [Re: ]
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I don't know about the genetics part but I am looking for a WT male if it is also a WF that would be even better.

I would love to learn the genetics.
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#743185 - 03/01/09 01:39 PM Re: White Tip Genetics [Re: reeny]
queenduck Offline
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Loc: Kansas
Matchmaker has done the most research on wt's, I have sent her all my lineages.

Out of my wt to wt pair, they have had about 50 % wt's.

Out of my wfb wthet pair (each had one parent with a wt) they have had no wt's.

I have sold wt hets that have gone on to make wt's (see KDR right above me).

At my house the only ones making wt's is my 2nd generation wt female and her mate, a 1st generation wt but he did have a grandfather that was a wt.

Anyhow, I encourage everyone to send their information to Matchmakermagic Kinue, she has been keeping tract of a lot of it.
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#743198 - 03/01/09 02:17 PM Re: White Tip Genetics [Re: queenduck]
gliderlover Offline
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Registered: 03/03/06
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Loc: houston, TX
I have a quad of a wf/wt het male in with a wt het and 2 possible wt hets. They have each had 2 joeys each and only one of the possible wt hets gave me a wf/wt that had a few hairs. But he didn't make it. They have more babies ip so we will see if I get anymore wts. I also had another pair of wt hets that had 4 joeys none were wt. The male went to produce a wt with a wt.
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#743203 - 03/01/09 02:26 PM Re: White Tip Genetics [Re: gliderlover]
gliderma Offline
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Loc: Michigan
My first pair came to me with a BB in pouch. Dad is a WT. They have had 3 joey's, all female and no WT. I am very interested in the genetics and possibilities too!
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#743211 - 03/01/09 02:54 PM Re: White Tip Genetics [Re: gliderma]
Babydevilsangel
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That's interesting statistics!

I'll have to get pics of these 2 boys when they come oop and post them for sale. Hopefully they'll contribute to someone's WT breeding program.

Does anyone know about creating a "super" WT? Like the WFB's? I wonder if this would be a possibility.

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#743222 - 03/01/09 03:10 PM Re: White Tip Genetics [Re: ]
Leyna
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Bec, you know those babies want to come live with me...

I have had various set ups with my Wt's... I've bred WT to WT, WT to WF, and WT to normal. I have have never once produced a WT joey though. I have had joeys from some of my WT's go on to produce WT babies though.

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#743224 - 03/01/09 03:17 PM Re: White Tip Genetics [Re: ]
bdeese
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I have a 2nd gen wf paired with a 1st gen wf and they produced a wt.
Mom (the 1st gen wf) has a short tip so i dunno if by chance she would have been wt. Her mom nibbled while she was ip.

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#743236 - 03/01/09 03:49 PM Re: White Tip Genetics [Re: ]
Guerita135 Offline
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I have a WT pair(both WTs) that have 2 joeys IP right now. They've bred once before and had a gray. Before I got them the female had also been paired with a leu and when paired with a leu she had 4 joeys: a WT, a superlight gray, and 2 grays.

WT


Superlight gray(probably from the father, who was a possible platinum het)


The 2 joeys IP are due out any day, so I'll let you know what they have...


Edited by Guerita135 (03/01/09 03:51 PM)
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#743243 - 03/01/09 04:04 PM Re: White Tip Genetics [Re: Guerita135]
Babydevilsangel
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Leyna-- I tried to PM you, but it said you're over your limit. =) I know you have a bunch...

Guerita-- Yes! let us know what the babies are when they come oop! Hopefully some little white tips!

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#743270 - 03/01/09 05:13 PM Re: White Tip Genetics [Re: ]
1daddyglider1 Offline
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Registered: 09/20/06
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Loc: Lecanto Florida
Bec the two white tip glider and het that I got from you has had babies four times. Each double babies one has been a white tip and one a het. The two singles were one white tip, and one het.
So 50%.
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#743419 - 03/01/09 08:58 PM Re: White Tip Genetics [Re: 1daddyglider1]
Srlb Offline
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Has anyone had a chance to see Priscillas gorgeous Banded White Tip gliders?

Maybe someone could email Tyler and get him to post a pic or two of them.
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#743588 - 03/02/09 02:24 AM Re: White Tip Genetics [Re: Srlb]
KristopherDeRose
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Peggy!!!!!!!! I have a banded wt too! but mine is different then hers

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#743597 - 03/02/09 03:23 AM Re: White Tip Genetics [Re: ]
Sheila Offline
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I always treat white tips as hets even though they have the white tails. With that in mind out of ten babies you had two. I am more suspecting that it is the way the genes line up that give the white tail because it is too inconsistent.
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#743635 - 03/02/09 09:57 AM Re: White Tip Genetics [Re: Sheila]
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I have a trio consisting of sisters, Eclipse (WT) & Stardust (WF/WT het) and thier mate, Comet (WF Champagne)

So far, both females produced 2 joeys each but only 1 of the 4 was a WT.

Both girls also have 2 joeys each ip.

Also, Eclipse has a very large white tip but the 1 wt joey had a very small white tip.

I expect Stardust's joeys oop this month & Eclipse a few weeks after that, so we will see....
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#743740 - 03/02/09 01:14 PM Re: White Tip Genetics [Re: krysKritters]
tbull Offline
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I have a WT het male (he is a normal out of two WT parents) that is paired with a CG female, out of 2 sets of twins, one each had a WT. Both boys, one was a few hairs while the other was a large tip. The two girls were normals.
He is neutered now, got to aggressive while mating, I do not tolerate mating wounds frown once could be an accident, twice and it's the big snip!
But I also have his sister who has a huge WT. She has not had any joeys yet, but was mating last night. So maybe........ grin
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#743806 - 03/02/09 04:06 PM Re: White Tip Genetics [Re: tbull]
Lynsie Offline
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Registered: 02/07/05
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Loc: Quincy, IL 62305
I have a WT paired to a WF/WT and so far 2 out of 6 have had WT's. One WT was fairly big and the most recent one is really small.
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#743916 - 03/02/09 08:13 PM Re: White Tip Genetics [Re: Lynsie]
gliderboy4life Offline
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Registered: 02/06/06
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Loc: Houston, Texas
At Priscillas there is one WT/WT pair. They have produced 4 HUGE WT's, a banded WT, and 3 normals.

One of the above joeys that has a HUGE WT has produced 4 HUGE WT's and 2 normals. She is paired with a very small WT.

THe banded WT just had her first babies with a WF/WT and she had a normal and a WF/ HUGE WT male.

This seems to be a VERY strong line.

I will get pics for everyone!
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#743944 - 03/02/09 09:32 PM Re: White Tip Genetics [Re: gliderboy4life]
Laurens_Babies Offline
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Loc: Kansas City, MO
Yup Pricilla has a very strong WT line going. My Constanze is from P. I have her paired up with a WF. 2 joeys born both standards, 2 more IP see what happens laugh Even though I'm honestly only expecting WF/WT hets but you never know.


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Description: Picture doesn't really show how nice of a WT she has but its about 3/4 an inch long.


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#743986 - 03/02/09 11:42 PM Re: White Tip Genetics [Re: Laurens_Babies]
Judie Offline
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Registered: 10/25/01
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Loc: Edwardsville, Kansas 66113
Breeding White Tipped Gliders is like breeding for Leucistic. Gene responsible is simple recessive.
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#743993 - 03/03/09 12:14 AM Re: White Tip Genetics [Re: Judie]
Lynsie Offline
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Loc: Quincy, IL 62305
How is that when WT's have been produced from only one WT or WT het parent? Or in some cases from 2 normals with no history of WT?
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#744012 - 03/03/09 12:41 AM Re: White Tip Genetics [Re: Lynsie]
Laurens_Babies Offline
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Yup sorry Judie I have to disagree with you. I think chances are way higher with two WT background parents. But this seems to be one gene we can't put our fingers on for sure.
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#744045 - 03/03/09 02:15 AM Re: White Tip Genetics [Re: Laurens_Babies]
Leyna
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Judie, WT cant be simple recessive, because WTs have been paired to WTs many times and only some produce WTs... Others never do.

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#744169 - 03/03/09 11:38 AM Re: White Tip Genetics [Re: ]
Judie Offline
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Loc: Edwardsville, Kansas 66113
Leyna, are you talking about White Tip x White Tip or White Tip x White Tip Het?
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#744171 - 03/03/09 11:40 AM Re: White Tip Genetics [Re: Judie]
gliderboy4life Offline
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Loc: Houston, Texas
WT x WT does not give you 100% Wt's. Thus the gene cannot be simple recessive.
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#744195 - 03/03/09 12:27 PM Re: White Tip Genetics [Re: Judie]
MatchMakerMagic Offline
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Loc: Port Saint Lucie, FL
Originally Posted By: Judie
Breeding White Tipped Gliders is like breeding for Leucistic. Gene responsible is simple recessive.


I disagree.
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#744209 - 03/03/09 01:00 PM Re: White Tip Genetics [Re: MatchMakerMagic]
Leyna
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Judie, I'm talking WT to WT. I have had 3 WT/WT pairs that had about a dozen joeys between the 3 of them. Not one of those joeys was a WT.

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#744212 - 03/03/09 01:05 PM Re: White Tip Genetics [Re: ]
Laurens_Babies Offline
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Wow Lenya. Just curious but did any of the joeys parent WT joeys?
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