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#750134 - 03/15/09 07:27 PM Anal glands not emptying
sprocketlover Offline
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Registered: 08/31/04
Posts: 466
Loc: Dayton, OH
So my Billy had an odd bump on his bottom and I took him into the vet for it. The vet wasn't sure what it could be at that time (very good vet) and sent him home with some meds. I took him back in when the bump didn't go away and appeared to get a little bigger (it was like his bottom was swollen). Turns out that his anal glands were not expressing themselves and the vet had to empty them for Billy (similar to a dog). He is on more meds and appears to feel much much better (who wouldn't!). I have been keeping a close eye on him and the vet said that I may have to continue to bring him in once in awhile to have them cleaned out.

Has any one else had experience with this? We aren't sure what could have caused it and if it will be a chronic condition...only time will tell. Also, could this keep him from breeding? Would neutering help if the condition continues?
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#750165 - 03/15/09 08:31 PM Re: Anal glands not emptying [Re: sprocketlover]
LSardou Offline
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Registered: 03/01/06
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I'm sorry that your little one is having this trouble. This is a common (not frequent) problem with gliders. We have a few members who have to keep a close watch on their little ones to make sure that they are cleaned out.

Sometimes neutering does help, however, the issue is of a nature where the system is naturally prone to develop infections and or the inability to produce enough enzymes to allow the immune system to function fully.

Keeping a close eye on him and continue with the antibiotics is your option for now. If the problem continues, you might need to look at having the anal glands removed.

I hope that this regimen will help and he will recover fully. hug2


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#750187 - 03/15/09 09:03 PM Re: Anal glands not emptying [Re: LSardou]
wclanton423 Offline
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Registered: 10/22/08
Posts: 1268
Loc: Houston, TX
I just had this problem with my male Meeko. I took him to the vet twice to get his glands expressed and I was told to watch him. My vet told me that it could be caused by loose stool that wasn't allowing his glands to naturally express themselves. At the time, the vet did not think I needed medicine yet. I gave Meeko a couple of pieces of oatmeal every other day for a week and the swelling has gone down completely. Supposedly oatmeal thinkens the stool, but please ask your vet what they suggest.

My vet told me the same thing that I might have to bring him in if his glands swell frequently to get them expressed.

I hope he recovers quickly.
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#750199 - 03/15/09 09:13 PM Re: Anal glands not emptying [Re: wclanton423]
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Yep...my vet also recommended giving a little dose of oatmeal whenever I feed fruits that cause my suggies to have looser stools. He said oatmeal adds "bulk" to the stool...and in humans, too smile

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#750211 - 03/15/09 09:40 PM Re: Anal glands not emptying [Re: ]
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Registered: 05/01/07
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I have had this issue repeatedly as well. Apollo did have to have his anal glands removed. It is definitely something that they can live with. If your vet is willing, he can consult with my vet re: what we tried and what was done until the glands had to be removed and after.
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#750214 - 03/15/09 09:47 PM Re: Anal glands not emptying [Re: ]
sprocketlover Offline
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Registered: 08/31/04
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Loc: Dayton, OH
He is on baytril and a topical called animax which is an antibiotic/anti lots of other stuff. I am going to stop using it though as he and the other gliders are aggressively cleaning the area once it is on. I have been putting it on him and keeping him seperate for awhile before I put him back in, but it isn't helping with the cleaning (I have on OCD clean glider who just won't lay off). He has a 5 week old joey so I can't just remove him from the cage either (even though it is a reverse trio, I want dad in the cage).

If he is still having problems when we go to our next vet appt, what specific questions should I be asking? Now that I have read up a little more I want to be prepared when I go in. This time it will be a real appt and not just a drop off.
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#750250 - 03/15/09 10:56 PM Re: Anal glands not emptying [Re: sprocketlover]
SugareeErin Offline
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Registered: 01/21/08
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Loc: Lisle, Illinois
Next time he is in to have the glands expressed ask the vet do a culture to check for infection.

My Simba has been having this problem as well. It started a couple months ago and I took him in because he was hissing while going to the bathroom. He did have infections present a couple times he had the glands expressed. He will be having the glands removed on Thursday. (This was a last resort, as there are risks and complications to removing the glands) I have a couple posts about it here in health and hygene.
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#750476 - 03/16/09 02:30 PM Re: Anal glands not emptying [Re: SugareeErin]
sugarlope Offline
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Registered: 03/28/02
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Cayden has problems occasionally with his glands as well (he just started a flare a couple of days ago). I agree with Erin, have them do a culture and sensitivity to be sure he is on the right medication. You can learn how to express the glands at home if you are comfortable doing so (just be gentle/careful). I express Cayden's when they need it.

I haven't completely figured it out yet, but I think Cayden has a reaction to some kind of fruit/vegetable, as his seem to swell when we start a new batch of food (as is the case this week, again). dunno
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#755407 - 03/26/09 07:05 PM Re: Anal glands not emptying [Re: sugarlope]
sprocketlover Offline
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Registered: 08/31/04
Posts: 466
Loc: Dayton, OH
Well we got back from the vet...good news and bad news. The good news is is that his glands weren't all pussy like last time. The bad news is is that they were full and they had to be emptied again. We are now trying baytril and clavamox together in addition to the benebac and will hopefully clear this up. We are going back again in two weeks after this round of antibiotics.

He felt so good after the last vet visit (and having the glands emptied) that I think we have more joeys on the way (99.9% sure that I saw Topaz post-birth pouch cleaning yesterday)! I am waiting for him to wake up to see how he feels. Luckily the vet and his techs love my little man and don't mind seeing him!
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#755863 - 03/27/09 12:38 PM Re: Anal glands not emptying [Re: sprocketlover]
SugareeErin Offline
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Registered: 01/21/08
Posts: 3843
Loc: Lisle, Illinois
DId you have the culture and sensitivity done? This will tell you what antibiotic would work on the infection, they will test it in a lab (Takes a few days for preliminary results, but you will KNOW the antibiotics are working then). The second time Simba had an infection it was resistant to Baytril and Bactrim.

Why did your vet decide to combine the antibiotics? I just have never heard of this, I have no idea if there would be a problem, but I am just wondering how will you know what is working? ..and the Baytril did not work last time?

I strongly advise you have the C+S done if you have not already. By testing these different antibiotics out for short periods of time I fear you will end up with resistance to many different antibiotics, making it harder to find one that works.

Neutering may prevent the glands from swelling. That was what we planned to do with Simba, but I had wanted him to be healthy for it and I waited too long. By the time I decided to just go ahead and schedule the neuter, the glands had to come out. Both surgerys were done at the same time.
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#755878 - 03/27/09 01:09 PM Re: Anal glands not emptying [Re: SugareeErin]
sprocketlover Offline
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Registered: 08/31/04
Posts: 466
Loc: Dayton, OH
I did ask about the culture and he explained that if they are all pussy then it is hard to actually get a good culture...you just end up culturing the puss and don't get any results from it and have spent $75. I didn't ask about the sensitivity. I told him about your thread and how there are other people have gone through this recently. I also told him I have other vet's information if he needs help.

Billy is doing better (he felt great last night!), but I am not suprised. The baytril is working but not quite fast enough so the vet added the clavamox. Once they did the emptying the vet said that Billy also looked much better than he did the last time.

The better I get at giving the meds, the better he gets at squirming!
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Dogs: D-O-G,Lilinoe,Ualani
Cat: Joe
Timneh African Grey: Simmy
Parakeet: Kai
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#755885 - 03/27/09 01:20 PM Re: Anal glands not emptying [Re: sprocketlover]
SugareeErin Offline
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Registered: 01/21/08
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Loc: Lisle, Illinois
Hm interesting, when Simba's glands were expressed it was a white milky looking substance, not puss. They woudn't be able to do the sensitivity if they can't get a good culture.

I am glad that he is feeling better today. lol I know how you feel about meds, Simba started shaking his head to get the meds out of his mouth, so I had to keep holding him until he swallowed. Some days he fought hard, others he just opened his mouth no problem.

I hope your little one continues to improve. hug2
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#755960 - 03/27/09 03:51 PM Re: Anal glands not emptying [Re: SugareeErin]
sugarlope Offline
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Registered: 03/28/02
Posts: 19735
Loc: in my happy place
I have heard of doubling up on meds to clear infections, but my vet said she wouldn't treat for less than 10 days and preferably two weeks, if there was an infection in the glands. dunno

Sorry to hear they swelled again, hopefully the med combo will get it under control. I don't know if this makes a difference to anyone, but neutering isn't necessarily going to clear the problem up, as Cayden was neutered when he was a joey. I still think that it is a reaction (something like an allergy) to some kind(s) of food, in Cayden's case, anyway. dunno

I'm glad Billy is feeling better and hope the glands stop swelling. hug2
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