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#75784 - 01/02/06 07:20 PM Mother/Daughter trios? Has it been succesful?
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I was just thinking, i have never heard of a mother/daughter trio. Has it ever been done? Anyone have success with that? Obviously, i dont mean putting the daughter with her dad, i'm talking a new male... Just wondered.

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#75785 - 01/02/06 07:53 PM Re: Mother/Daughter trios? Has it been succesful? [Re: ]
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yep it has sheila had Abbey and Star they are mom and daughter leu hets

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#75786 - 01/02/06 10:01 PM Re: Mother/Daughter trios? Has it been succesful? [Re: ]
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Registered: 10/17/01
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I had a Mother & Daughter trio set up, but it didn't work out for me. Neither glider successfully produced a joey while they were together. But once I separated them by removing the daughter and pairing her up with another male they both produced beautiful joeys for me. To me it will all depend on your Mother/Daughter pair.

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#75787 - 01/02/06 10:39 PM Re: Mother/Daughter trios? Has it been succesful? [Re: ]
petsugargliders Offline
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Registered: 11/14/03
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We had a mother/daughter pairing as well. We bought them from a local breeder when the "mother" was about 2 1/2 years old, and the "daughter" was a little over a year. The trio started out very well. Everyone got along, and after about 6 months they both had joeys in pouch. The "mother" became very defensive and protective a few weeks before the joeys were due to come oop. She would attack her daughter and prevent her from eating no matter how many feeding stations were provided. We ended up separating them in the end. I never have any luck with trios, so we keep everyone in pairs. I heard of so many trios working out, then going bad, or never working out to begin with. I have found it better safe than sorry. Anita is right though, it really does depend on the gliders. Some have had some luck with trios.
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#75788 - 01/02/06 10:42 PM Re: Mother/Daughter trios? Has it been succesful? [Re: ]
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just like in any trio you run the risk of them not accepting eachothers joeys. Even twin sisters sometimes don't work. I have a trio of unrelated females that do work and I have tried other trios that don't. All you can do is wait and see and then seperate them if you have to or get the male neutered so they can stay together. <img src="/ubbthreads/images/graemlins/smile.gif" alt="" />

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#75789 - 01/03/06 01:48 AM Re: Mother/Daughter trios? Has it been succesful? [Re: ]
Judie Offline
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Registered: 10/25/01
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This trio of gliders... mother and two daughters (leuc hets) has had to be seperated. Issues of baby stealing.

Trios... wither they be very young females put together or mother's left with a daughter or two.... do not work out.

Only reason I can understand why someone wants to put two or more females together is to save on cage space and house less males or to move a male around to other females and this last one... causes another set of multiple stress issues as well. <img src="/ubbthreads/images/graemlins/frown.gif" alt="" />

Gliders... kept in "pairs of one male and one female" when breeding.... remain healthy and breed longer if kept with thier orig mates when paired to permanent partners due to the fact the pair becomes a very "stable" unit. <img src="/ubbthreads/images/graemlins/thumb.gif" alt="" />


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#75790 - 01/03/06 03:19 AM Re: Mother/Daughter trios? Has it been succesful? [Re: ]
fairytiger Offline
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Registered: 12/13/05
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I had trios before an dmine to would steal babies and kill the babies, I have all neautered males now and don't have to worry about babies anymore but I would never do trios again

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#75791 - 01/03/06 07:19 AM Re: Mother/Daughter trios? Has it been succesful? [Re: ]
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[:"green"]I used to have Daisy & Mareki in with Coobah as a trio. Mareki is Daisy's daughter. They did not steal or cannibalize each other's joeys. However, they would reject all joeys as soon as they came oop. They never successfully reared their own joeys. I hand-raised the ones that did survive. I don't know if the rejection was an issue of stress or lack of milk production since I had to hand-raise Mareki, too. I finally got tired of the stress on me & separated Coobah from them. Daisy & Mareki are now caged together without a male & are doing great as "bachelorettes".
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#75792 - 01/03/06 11:37 AM Re: Mother/Daughter trios? Has it been succesful? [Re: ]
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Registered: 11/13/03
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There are always exceptions to the rule but as a whole I do not think it is a good idea to have trios. Glider colonies are a lot like wolf packs. Only the alpha male and female are allowed to breed. Any pack members who violate the rules are driven away. In an ideal colony the siblings will help raise the joeys but this would all be trial and error at the expense of the gliders involved. Since the gliders are caged the normal process of driving out unwanted members can not occur naturally. IMHO establishing trios with captive gliders is a very unhealthy practice.
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#75793 - 01/03/06 04:17 PM Re: Mother/Daughter trios? Has it been succesful? [Re: ]
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I've got two trios right now and they have gone great thus far *knocks on wood* I think that it really depends on the nature of the gliders. The trios that I have, one is two half sisters, the other gals are not related but, they've been together since 8 weeks. The trios I have oddly squabble less than a couple of my pairs, lol.

With trios it's just always uncertain though <img src="/ubbthreads/images/graemlins/ohwell.gif" alt="" />

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#75794 - 01/08/06 03:54 PM Re: Mother/Daughter trios? Has it been succesful? [Re: ]
Judie Offline
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Registered: 10/25/01
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Loc: Edwardsville, Kansas 66113
Given time, your trios will end as all others do. <img src="/ubbthreads/images/graemlins/frown.gif" alt="" />

I can say this as I had a trio for five years and then one day... out of the blue... feet and tails along with ears began to disappear.
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#75795 - 01/08/06 04:31 PM Re: Mother/Daughter trios? Has it been succesful? [Re: ]
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I appreciate your input and I see that you haven't had success with trios, but I don't believe that it can be forecasted with certainty that my trios will end with grim results.

With any sort of animal breeding, lack of success can stem from a number of causes. Social structure can no doubt be a cause, but so can physical and mental conditions of each individual which over time progress, develop, or decay.

Different situations can give rise to rejection and cannibalism. I personally think that a glider that is a colonial animal should be able to properly maintain a trio situation. I'm sure that there won't be a 100% success rate with trios, but there isn't a 100% success rate with pairs either. It is clear that trios are a risky situation, but with mine, I will remain optimistic until given a reason to feel otherwise.
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