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#77207 - 01/12/06 08:11 AM VERY SICK GLIDER IN HOSPITAL (long)
Anonymous
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Hi there I am a member of this forum, and read a lot but don't post. I thought I would share this, and see if anyone has a suggestion. I have five gliders -- the original male and female couple I bought as adults almost a year ago, and three joeys -- one boy OOP in June 2005, and twin girls OOP in October 2005. They were all housed together until Sunday, when I separated the two boys from the three girls, so that we would not have any more babies or have inbreeding -- I was considering having the boys neutered so they could be together again. I put their cages against each other so they could see the other. On Tuesday night, my son found the mother at the bottom of the cage barely moving. They girls had knocked their water bottle off the outside of the cage, so the poor babies had been without water for the day. The three month old joey girls appeared fine. We rushed the mom (Honey) to Quakertown Animal Hospital in PA (we live in Western NJ) because they have an exotic animal vet on call after hours. Honey appeared to be severely dehydrated from skin test, and also behind her eyes were gray and sunken in. We got some water drops in her on the way. The vet gave her fluids SUB-Q, and glucose with a syringe and amoxy .1 CC's because she suspected some kind of an infection. She suggested I give her Gatorade and Ensure with a syringe every few hours until she improved. I kept her warm in a pouch with me all night. I was feeding her approximately 3 cc's of gatorade and 3 cc's of Vanilla Ensure every three hours around the clock. After we got home from the ER vet, she seemed to rouse a bit, but also seemed to not have good control of her motor functions. Yesterday afternoon, after not seeing improvement I took her to University of Pennsylvania ER hospital, because I have read they are excellent with gliders, and also because the other ER vet recommended them. They assessed her, and admitted her. They too, gave her fluids sub-q, glucose, oxygen, and a calcium carbonate shot. They also say she has neurological issues, and don't know why yet. We are waiting this morning for the special species vet to look at her. When I visited her before I left the hospital, honestly, she barely looked alive. She doesn't move other than breathing and her eyes are closed. I should add that at the vet the first night she weighed 63 grams, but last night she weighed 74 grams. Does anyone have any experience with this kind of illness? I know if she makes it until this morning, they will do bloodwork and x rays. I should add that I feed BML, fruit, veggies, and mealworms. And up until this week, all gliders have been in excellent health. Also, we don't know Honey's age, but we think she is between 5 and 6 years old. Thanks in advance for your support and advice. My heart is breaking....

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#77208 - 01/12/06 08:21 AM Re: VERY SICK GLIDER IN HOSPITAL (long) [Re: ]
Anonymous
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I sorry to hear about Honey being sick . I don't have expert advice but I sure someone will soon. She is in my prayers.

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#77209 - 01/12/06 08:47 AM Re: VERY SICK GLIDER IN HOSPITAL (long) [Re: ]
sugarglidersuz Offline
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Registered: 08/28/04
Posts: 14788
Loc: Cleveland, Ohio
[:"green"]I will be praying for you & your glider as you go through this ordeal. Unfortunately, I don't know what might be the problem, either...
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#77210 - 01/12/06 08:54 AM Re: VERY SICK GLIDER IN HOSPITAL (long) [Re: ]
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Registered: 03/30/05
Posts: 3224
Loc: North Fort Worth - TX
Your baby has been through alot the last few days- She sounds like a fighter. Sending up sugar sweet prayers for her & yourself <img src="/ubbthreads/images/graemlins/hug2.gif" alt="" />

Sorry I can't give any explanation to her illness
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#77211 - 01/12/06 09:10 AM Re: VERY SICK GLIDER IN HOSPITAL (long) [Re: ]
Srlb Offline
Glideritis Anonymous

Registered: 10/30/03
Posts: 16743
Loc: St. Johns, Florida
Gliders go down so quick and without notice most the time, it just leaves us wondering why and what could have caused it.

I dont have any answers for you as to what may be wrong with your Honey, but do know that we are all sending good thoughts your way for a speedy recovery for her.
Please keep us updated. <img src="/ubbthreads/images/graemlins/thumb.gif" alt="" />
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#77212 - 01/12/06 11:16 AM Re: VERY SICK GLIDER IN HOSPITAL (long) [Re: ]
Anonymous
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I just got off the phone with the special species vet, and it appears that Honey is slowly passing away. Her breathing and heart rate are becoming more shallow and irregular, and she has not responded at all to the sub-Q fluids, calcium carbonate, and glucose shots. She will no longer eat or drink from a syringe. I am crying my eyes out. I had no idea how hard it would be to lose her...

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#77213 - 01/12/06 12:16 PM Re: VERY SICK GLIDER IN HOSPITAL (long) [Re: ]
Srlb Offline
Glideritis Anonymous

Registered: 10/30/03
Posts: 16743
Loc: St. Johns, Florida
If there is no more they can do for her, I would suggest to go get your little one so she can feel your love while she passes on to the bridge. I am so sorry you are having to go through this. Your actions on getting her the best possible care shows just how much you love her. <img src="/ubbthreads/images/graemlins/hug2.gif" alt="" />
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Critter Love
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If you want to know what a person is like, watch how he treats others.

You'll never know what the outcome is if you don't step up and try.


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#77214 - 01/12/06 12:30 PM Re: VERY SICK GLIDER IN HOSPITAL (long) [Re: ]
Charlie H Offline
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Registered: 11/13/03
Posts: 1659
Loc: Wallis Texas
My heart goes out to you. I know how hard it is to loose one of our little ones. There is not much we could do except send our love and prayers. <img src="/ubbthreads/images/graemlins/heartpump.gif" alt="" />
Charlie H
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#77215 - 01/12/06 12:36 PM Re: VERY SICK GLIDER IN HOSPITAL (long) [Re: ]
Anonymous
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I'm so sorry to hear about Honey. I agree with Peggy, that she should be with you if possible.

It sounds like you've done everything that could possibly be done, and you got her some excellent care. Just the fact that you thought to include your chosen diet in your original explanation tells me that you know what you're doing and are a good glider slave.

Since you have her at a University ER, if she does pass, they may be able to tell from a necropsy what happened, and it may be helpful for them as well, being an educational facility. I still hope that doesn't happen, but from what you said, I guess it is likely. <img src="/ubbthreads/images/graemlins/worried2.gif" alt="" /> <img src="/ubbthreads/images/graemlins/upset.gif" alt="" />

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#77216 - 01/12/06 02:26 PM Re: VERY SICK GLIDER IN HOSPITAL (long) [Re: ]
Lynsie Offline
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Registered: 02/07/05
Posts: 8322
Loc: Quincy, IL 62305
That kinda sounds like what happend to my poor Kiah in a way. She had a 3 week old joey and was doing fine. Then one day I came in and it seems that she just couldn't move right. I stuck my hand in the cage and she didn't crab, bite, or run, which she always did. I got her out and immediately called the vet but, it was 4th of July weekend at 9:00 at night. I had no vet that could see her. So I gave her water and some honey in case she was lethargic and by the time the vet finally called she had passed. We are not for sure what casused this, the vet said that it could have possibly been calcium defiency from nursing the joey. I still have her joey and her mate and they are just fine. I will keep you in my prayers.
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#77217 - 01/13/06 09:42 AM Re: VERY SICK GLIDER IN HOSPITAL (long) [Re: ]
Anonymous
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We helped Honey to the bridge yesterday afternoon. She was continuing to decline and was barely breathing. She had been given supportive care in terms of the sub-q fluids, glucose, etc for 40 hours and was continuing to decline. They will perform a necropsy, so I will let everyone know what they find so that hopefully we can all learn something. I also need to say that I have never experienced a health care facility -- animal or human - like the Univeristy of Pennsylvania. They so have their act together and far exceeded my expectations. If I continue living here I am changing them to my routine vet for all my animals. When an animal is brought into their ER it is immediately taken back to be assesed -- there is no waiting at all for them. They immediately took her vital signs,put her into a cage, put oxygen on her, a heat lamp, etc. While they were doing that they gave me a six page questionaire to fill out about her history, her cage, previous joeys, toys, out of cage time, mate, diet, etc. -- every question you can possibly imagine for a glider was covered. Then later a student came out and met with me privately and asked more questions. About a half hour after that the doctor came out and met with me privately and covered everything. And with the greatest compassion I have ever experienced from a medical doctor. They admitted her, told me that unless I got a phone call during the night that her condition was unchanged, and told me that I could call anytime during the night and check on her. In the morning she was transferred to the special species unit, and assigned a new doctor. About mid morning that doctor called me to talk to me about her. She talked to me very honestly, but also with much compassion, and at that time we came up with a plan for her treatment as grim as her prognosis was. She told me that I could call her anytime during the day, and that she would call me back mid afternoon with an update. I just want everyone to know how wonderful this facility is. Well I am thankful that I had the time I did with Honey, and that I have her wonderful mate, and also her three beautiful joeys. Thanks again for everyone's kind words and support. I will let you know the outcome of the necropsy. One more thing... We were unaware of her age exactly and the vet did tell me that her teeth were not in great shape -- some broken, some missing, decayed, etc which I assume is an indication of advanced age...

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#77218 - 01/13/06 09:53 AM Re: VERY SICK GLIDER IN HOSPITAL (long) [Re: ]
Dancing Offline
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Registered: 09/10/04
Posts: 22746
Loc: 80 acres of paradise in KS
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We helped Honey to the bridge yesterday afternoon.

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To me this is the most unselfless act of love we can give our sweet companions. I am so sorry you had to make that choice and I am very sorry for your loss.
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#77219 - 01/13/06 09:57 AM Re: VERY SICK GLIDER IN HOSPITAL (long) [Re: ]
Anonymous
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<img src="/ubbthreads/images/graemlins/hug2.gif" alt="" /> <img src="/ubbthreads/images/graemlins/hug2.gif" alt="" /> <img src="/ubbthreads/images/graemlins/hug2.gif" alt="" />
Bless you for giving Honey a wonderful life. This is the hardest part for me about doing rescue and being a pet owner, it never stops hurting but time will ease the pain of your heart.
Angie

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#77220 - 01/13/06 10:04 AM Re: VERY SICK GLIDER IN HOSPITAL (long) [Re: ]
sugarglidersuz Offline
Glideritis Anonymous

Registered: 08/28/04
Posts: 14788
Loc: Cleveland, Ohio
[:"green"]I am so very sorry for your loss... You obviously loved Honey an incredible amount. Although it won't lessen your grief, at least you know that you did everything absolutely possible to help her in her time of need...
<img src="/ubbthreads/images/graemlins/hug2.gif" alt="" />
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Allira & Gizmo :grey:
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:rbridge: DaisyMae; Darwin; Mareki; Mambo; Pika; Cricky; Reggie & Bobo, Pepe & Bittah


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#77221 - 01/13/06 10:19 AM Re: VERY SICK GLIDER IN HOSPITAL (long) [Re: ]
Badgersmommy Offline
Glider Slave

Registered: 04/30/05
Posts: 1382
Loc: Kentucky
I'm so sorry this happened..it hurts me so much to read this. You did everything you could. About the water...I've been around my gliders at different times ALL day and mine don't come out to drink water in the daytime. Don't blame yourself for anything, sounds like from what the vet saw with her teeth that she was of an advanced age and probably had some problems before you got her. Bless you for all you did for her and loving her. She sure had a great mommy. (((HUGS)))
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#77222 - 01/13/06 11:55 AM Re: VERY SICK GLIDER IN HOSPITAL (long) [Re: ]
Srlb Offline
Glideritis Anonymous

Registered: 10/30/03
Posts: 16743
Loc: St. Johns, Florida
So sorry for your loss. <img src="/ubbthreads/images/graemlins/hug2.gif" alt="" /> <img src="/ubbthreads/images/graemlins/hug2.gif" alt="" /> <img src="/ubbthreads/images/graemlins/hug2.gif" alt="" />

It is very obvious that Honey was loved very deeply by her slave. May you find comfort knowing that she felt and new love.
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Critter Love
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You'll never know what the outcome is if you don't step up and try.


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#77223 - 01/13/06 04:02 PM Re: VERY SICK GLIDER IN HOSPITAL (long) [Re: ]
Anonymous
Unregistered


To all of you... Thanks for your kind words.. I do feel so much guilt over this. I did love her so much, and I only hope she knew that. Again, I will let the forum know when I hear the results of the necropsy.

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#77224 - 01/13/06 04:26 PM Re: VERY SICK GLIDER IN HOSPITAL (long) [Re: ]
Xglider Offline
Glideritis Anonymous

Registered: 01/18/05
Posts: 11157
Loc: Tampa, FL
I am sure she knows and still feels your love, she will be waiting at the bridge for you, and watching over all of her family from there. You took expedient action when you found a problem and sought out the best care, she knows you loved her! I am so sorry for you loss... <img src="/ubbthreads/images/graemlins/hug2.gif" alt="" /> <img src="/ubbthreads/images/graemlins/hug2.gif" alt="" />
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#77225 - 01/13/06 04:33 PM Re: VERY SICK GLIDER IN HOSPITAL (long) [Re: ]
Anonymous
Unregistered


I just heard from her vet, and the quick results from the necropsy show that Honey had an incredibly abnormal liver -- shape, size, and tissue. It will be a time before we get the full results back from the tissue samples to see whether or not it was malignant. So, I guess I have some research to do on livers in sugar gliders now.

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#77226 - 01/14/06 10:40 AM Re: VERY SICK GLIDER IN HOSPITAL (long) [Re: ]
glidrz5 Offline
Serious Glideritis

Registered: 06/13/01
Posts: 7297
Loc: Quincy, IL
Deciding to help a beloved furkid make their final journey is one one of the hardest, most heartwrenching decisions that there is, but it is also one of the most unselfish. You are putting their feelings and wellbeing ahead of your own desire to hold on tight with both hands when you choose to let them go. I know she appreciates the many years you spent together as well as your unselfish love at the end.
God Bless you both, I know she'll be waiting at the bridge for you.

THE RAINBOW BECKONS

In loving memory of my angels who have crossed over the rainbow bridge


The rainbow has beckoned
It's calling you home
To meadows and forest
In which you may roam

My heart it grows heavy
To think you might leave
I'd be all alone then
Alone then to grieve

I know deep inside me
That you cannot stay
The pain that you're feeling
Grows more night and day

You look at me asking
In your silent way
To let you go home now
"Please let me" you say

You say there's no pain there
No fear and no hate
Just peace and well being
Once you're through the gate

You tell me you'll always
Hold me in your heart
That time and that distance
Can't keep us apart

And if I should need you
At my side you'll be
Tho I cannot see you
You'll be there with me

You promise to wait at
the rainbow for me
To wait `til I join you
Together to be

I just want to hold you
And beg you to stay
To ask please don't leave me
Alone on this day

Yet deep in my heart know
I must let you go
You must make the journey
now to the rainbow

I bow down my head then
The tears fill my eyes
I give you my blessing
My love now to fly

So fly to the rainbow
And wait there for me
Some day I will join you
Together to be
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Illusion, Malcom, Isabell, Annabelle, Zach, Isis, Aly & Indy
AND Miss Emmy & Miss Chloe kitties

:rbridge: My Angels: You are always in my heart.

You've flown to the rainbow
and wait there for me
Someday I will join you
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