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#781242 - 05/19/09 12:22 PM I need to save my gliders - biliary adenocarcinoma
kittybaran Offline
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Hello,

I need Help! Is there anyone out there who has had to deal with biliary adenocarcinoma? The pathology lab that worked the tissue samples have stated that bile duct tumors are common amoung sugar gliders under 4 years of age. They did a survey. Mine are around 7 years. Pip died and because of that I took his brother for a check up. (I'm the one who has the hemolytic anemia in the group.) He had been in for blood work because of a recent past history of elevated liver enzymes. He was on Prednisoe and an Doxy. In three weeks he went from what was not plapable to a large tumor and exploritoy surgery was done. A mass was found connecting his liver and gallbladder and attached to his abnominal wall. The tumor tumor and tissue removed was abount the size of the last joint in your thumb to the tip. His prognosis is poor. Pip's necropsy showed abnormaility in tissue and hypertrohy, as well as a decresae in the size of one kidney, but his tissue cells were not cancerous, but something was going on because he is dead. The conclusion by my vet who has been dealing with this issue of mine for around 10 months of so has said that there is a strong correlation between the caging wire I bought to make the big cages for glider happiness. I'm ditching the wire and am looking for stainless steel. I'm hopeing for some used stuff, possibly from a zoo or some other animal sactruaries that are doing some remodeling or down grading. So I would greatly appreciate any input from others dealing with this type of cancer and anyone who might know where I can get the stainless steel wire. I'm trying to get it as cheap as possible because I've already spent around $16,000 (on vet bills on the animals, primarily the Gliders, plus there is the future medical bills in trying to stop this disease before it gets to the severity of which takes life. If this disease progression can't be stopped I'm looking at doing hospice and euthenasia for half or more of my glider population. Feel free to e-mail me direct at kittybaran@hotmail.com or call me at 480(695-0402) or just post it here - I need to save my gliders. Kitty

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#781249 - 05/19/09 12:33 PM Re: I need to save my gliders - biliary adenocarcinoma [Re: kittybaran]
MehganK
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I'm so sorry to hear about your gliders' health problems! I don't know where to get good cheap wire, but have you considered reptariums? That's a really cheap way to get a lot more space for your dollar if your gliders don't have a bad chewing habit.

Hope you find what you're looking for!

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#781258 - 05/19/09 12:55 PM Re: I need to save my gliders - biliary adenocarcinoma [Re: ]
Wiggly
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I'm really sorry to hear this. Just as a question (and sorry if this sounds insensitive), what cage wire did you use to make the big cage? I'm considering building a cage and if one type of wire can cause health problems, I'd really like to know. If it's too much to ask, I COMPLETELY understand. You're dealing with a lot right now.

I'm new here, but you have all my sympathy and well-wishes.

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#781266 - 05/19/09 01:12 PM Re: I need to save my gliders - biliary adenocarcinoma [Re: ]
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I've made cages out of the pvc coated cage wire that they sell at homedepo.
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#781282 - 05/19/09 02:32 PM Re: I need to save my gliders - biliary adenocarcinoma [Re: dranger1108]
minkasmom Offline
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Registered: 11/08/04
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Loc: Northeast Indiana
I've made cages out of the shelving material at Home Depot or Menards or Lowe's. The only down side to that concept is that it's HEAVY once you get the cage constructed. I used nylon "cable clamps" to hold the pieces together. They were HUGE, rather inexpensive to make, and could be taken part easily for cleaning.

As far as who you could turn to for advice/input, 3 names come to mind: Dr. Fitzgerald @ Alameda Animal Hospital West (think Animal Planet/Emergency vets...in New Mexico?) or SRLB's vet Dr. Tristan (don't remember where he hails from...) or Val's doctor (can't even remember HIS name) in Tulsa, OK. Sorry to be so vague; my mind is having MAJOR lapses today.
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#781308 - 05/19/09 03:57 PM Re: I need to save my gliders - biliary adenocarcinoma [Re: minkasmom]
USMom Offline
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Dr Tristan is in Portland, TX and Val's vet is Dr Walsh in Tulsa.
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#785062 - 05/27/09 03:55 PM Re: I need to save my gliders - biliary adenocarcinoma [Re: USMom]
kittybaran Offline
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Registered: 09/29/08
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Loc: arizona
I can not be the only person on the forum here that is dealing with cancer and sugar gliders. Will someone here please give me some input on cancer and gliders or specifically adenocarcinomas and gliders

Kitty

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#785101 - 05/27/09 05:14 PM Re: I need to save my gliders - biliary adenocarcinoma [Re: kittybaran]
sugarlope Offline
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sending you a PM
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#785107 - 05/27/09 05:21 PM Re: I need to save my gliders - biliary adenocarcinoma [Re: sugarlope]
USMom Offline
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Loc: Austin, TX
Kitty, the only cancer I've seen in gliders, 2, has been post mortem. One was ovarian cancer, and the other was liver cancer.
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#785114 - 05/27/09 05:31 PM Re: I need to save my gliders - biliary adenocarcinoma [Re: USMom]
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Dr. Fitzgerald is at Alameda East in Colorado - can't remember the # though - But it is Denver Colorado -

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#785136 - 05/27/09 06:20 PM Re: I need to save my gliders - biliary adenocarcinoma [Re: ]
Cora Offline
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Loc: Kilgore, Texas
so sorry you are dealing with this. The only cancer I have personally experienced was Lymphoma. The glider didnt make it.
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#785332 - 05/28/09 01:27 AM Re: I need to save my gliders - biliary adenocarcinoma [Re: Cora]
SweetGliders Offline
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Registered: 10/17/01
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Loc: Tulsa, OK, USA
Hi,
I have dealt with several gliders whom I have lost to cancer.

A few years ago I lost one of my gliders named: Diddles. She died from Adreanal Gland Cancer (spelling ?) (my vet said this was very rare in gliders)

Then here recently I lost another glider named Leah to Salivary Gland and Lymphoma Cancer (spelling ?).

And Cheryl from Tulsa another GC member, lost her baby Mattie to Mammory Gland Cancer.

I think more people are having alot more necrospy's done now then in the past and we are finding out that more gliders out there are having & dying from several different types of Cancers.

I wish I could tell you more.

Anita heart

P.S. - My vet is Dr. Paul Welch in Tulsa, OK. 918-299-8448 maybe he could answer some questions for you.




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#785335 - 05/28/09 02:20 AM Re: I need to save my gliders - biliary adenocarcinoma [Re: SweetGliders]
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Kitty, I am going to call you tomorrow. I live nearby, and though I don't have any experience with Cancer in suggies, I can help you find new cages all over the place here. Either way, I'll call you or you can call me. I'll send you a PM with my number in it. hug2
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#785349 - 05/28/09 04:13 AM Re: I need to save my gliders - biliary adenocarcinoma [Re: chattrbabe]
Lori
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Ok I found the number to Dr Fitzgerald at Alamda East vet Hospital in Colorado (303) 366-2639.
I am not sure how you would be able to tale to him but this is the phone number and maybe it will help you some.
Good luck and I am sorry to hear that all of your suggies are sick!!!!
You are all in my prayers!!! smile

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#785983 - 05/29/09 11:42 AM Re: I need to save my gliders - biliary adenocarcinoma [Re: SweetGliders]
kittybaran Offline
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That is interesting, sad but, interesting. The cancers you mentioned in your reply are adenocarcinomas, cancers involving the epithelial tissue, glandular tissue and their accompanying organs. The study done by the lab that processed my glider's tissue samples said that billiary adenocarcinomas were common in gliders under the are of 4 yrs, maybe it is not just billiary adenocarcinoma, but a more general adenocarcinoma. I wonder if gliders develop the problem in the wild or have we in their captivity contributed someway to the development of the this type of cancer? Something to think about. Kitty

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#785986 - 05/29/09 11:57 AM Re: I need to save my gliders - biliary adenocarcinoma [Re: kittybaran]
kittybaran Offline
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THe above was in response to the "sweet glider" from Tulsa input. By the way, thanks to those of you who have given input. I am quite devastated by what is occuring. My gliders are currently on Prednisone, Doxy, CoQ10, Milk thislte (if anyone has anyway to make milk thistle taste better let me know. The gliders find it pretty impalatable) Sam-E, Urosol(I don't remember how to spell it, but is is suppose to help detoxify some of the bile that is released making less work for the liver. I'm waiting for an e-mail from a molecular biologist that I've spoke to in the past about naturally occuring heat shock protein co-inducers.

(Im looking for Italian licorise extract info if anyone has heard of it drop a line please.)

Heat shock proteins occur naturally in the body and they come out only under extreme cellular stress. The idea of a co-inducer is that it intices the HSPs to stay out longer and do more cellular repair. Hence my interest in trying out on my gliders.

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#786010 - 05/29/09 01:34 PM Re: I need to save my gliders - biliary adenocarcinoma [Re: kittybaran]
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Registered: 03/28/02
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Ensure is great to cover up bad tasting medicine, it might help. dunno

Have the vets found that all of your gliders are having this problem, or just one of them? I would be careful with long term prednisone given to healthy gliders as it can mess up their immune system (whether they are healthy to begin with or not). As I said in PM, Kira was on prednisone for a while and I do believe it helped her, BUT she has a chronic problem now, we think due to the long term use of prednisone on her system.

I am so sorry that you and your gliders are going through this. I hope that you can find something to help them. hug2


Edited by sugarlope (05/29/09 01:42 PM)
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#797853 - 06/23/09 02:51 PM cancer surgery, herbs and chemo for gliders
kittybaran Offline
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Hello All,
Geo went to the oncologist yesterday (one of my billiary adenocarcinoma gliders). and all hope is not lost. He is taking his previously prescribed meds plus some Chineses herbs prescribed by the oncologists and she has found a chemo drug that she believes will not be harmful to the gliders and can be given orally vs the IV route. We are hoping that the herbs work and we can avoid the chemo, but that depends on the results of todays blood work. She is also going to try to get into contact with a vet oncologist in Austriala who may have worked with other marsupials with cancer,and perhaps gain some more insight into the treatment of cancer in sugar gliders. So, for any who are dealing with cancer in their gliders do not lose hope for there is still some. I will post the chinease herbs and the intent of their use is when I am next on the computer. Plus I let you guys know if Geo has to go thru Chemo and how he responds to it. I am praying I do not have to post the chemo results. Anyone who has questions pertaining to how my gliders are being treated for their cancer and can't wait until next time I am on feel free to call me at 480 695-0402. We are also looking at the possibility of treating the cancer profolatively (however you spell it) Since we are not sure as to weather the cancer is secondary to something else. [censored]! I just got the call, the tumor has regrown close to it's previous size in Geo and Pesta now has a mass as well. Both are going to surgery today and it looks like we are going the chemo route. I guess we will learn about Chemo and sugar gliders after all. Prayers please.

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#797873 - 06/23/09 03:25 PM Re: cancer surgery, herbs and chemo for gliders [Re: kittybaran]
ozzi Offline
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Registered: 02/01/08
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I am so sorry to hear that the tumor has grown back.upset
Prayers going out for you and Geo and Pesta angel

Pat, Boo-Boo, and BJ angel
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#797937 - 06/23/09 05:30 PM Re: cancer surgery, herbs and chemo for gliders [Re: ozzi]
Cora Offline
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Registered: 04/16/05
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Loc: Kilgore, Texas
my thoughts and prayers are with you. Thank you so much for your post which may help others. I would definitely be interested in knowing if cancer is prevelent in Australian gliders. And what preventive/curative measures(if any) are available and effective.
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#797951 - 06/23/09 06:14 PM Re: cancer surgery, herbs and chemo for gliders [Re: Cora]
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I am so sorry you and your gliders are going through this.
I don't know why I didn't think of this earlier, but here is a post about one of our members having her glider treated with chemo medication. Fawkes had lymphoma, so I know that is a different kind of cancer. But if they may be of some help, here they are;
There are 4 parts - I wasn't sure what you wanted to know, so here is Part 1: http://www.glidercentral.net/ubbthreads/ubbthreads.php/topics/604611/1
Here is the link to the first post she starts discussing Elspar, the chemo med her vet used; http://www.glidercentral.net/ubbthreads/...rt_3#Post622460
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#798004 - 06/23/09 08:12 PM Re: cancer surgery, herbs and chemo for gliders [Re: sugarlope]
hwh4ev Offline
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so sorry to hear abt. the tumors returning.
prayers are sent to you and your babies.

regards,
nancy

p.s. i know cancer cells love sugar in any form and
cant survive in oxygen. i am familiar
with cancer/alternative treatments (daughter).


Edited by hwh4ev (06/23/09 08:17 PM)
Edit Reason: omitted some inf.
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#798020 - 06/23/09 08:31 PM Re: cancer surgery, herbs and chemo for gliders [Re: hwh4ev]
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Prayers and good thoughts going out to you and your gliders. Poor babies having to be subject to chemo with their little bodies. I watched my mom suffer with it when she was sick.

Thinking of you and your gliders.
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#798246 - 06/24/09 09:48 AM Re: cancer surgery, herbs and chemo for gliders [Re: Feather]
SugarGliderCandy
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frown how sad! I hope the treatments work for your babies!

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#798803 - 06/25/09 01:41 PM GLIDER LIVER TISSUES NEEDED FOR CANCER RESEARCH!
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Loc: arizona
My vet has been in contact with a Dr in Calf. at the howard Hughes Medical Center. When he heard of my gliders billiary adenocarcinoma (basically it can be lumped under liver cancer) he was exited. At least someone is. Well this Dr, and I can not remember his name right now is doing research on the liver cancer with the theory that many of the liver cancers are due to viruses that have yet to be detected with the current methods used. This research is for people, but it may help the gliders with cancer first, since they are to be the animal subject of this phase of the study. What he needs is liver tissue from gliders with both healthy and unhealthy livers. The healthy ones of course are the baseline comparisons or control group.
The exotic lab that did the original work on my gliders tissue samples has told my vets that they did a study and the results indicated that liver cancer is common is sugar gliders. The symptoms can be minimal and then they crash. Necropsys are expensive, so who knows how many gliders have died from this disease unbeknownst to their owners. To get to the point.....
WE NEED LIVER TISSUE SAMPLES!
If anyone is sadley having a necropsy done on thier glider could you have the vet take a liver tissue sample and preserve it for shipment to Calf. Also if your glider is haveing liver problems and you are having a biopsy done could you have your vet save a sample for the study.
If you wish to participate in this, hopefully life saving study for glider and human alike please have your vet contact my vet for further instruction on preserving and shipping. The Dr. at the HH Medical Center is paying for the shipping and the testing, and you will have access to the results of your gliders samples with no extra cost to you.
My vet is Dr. Kevin Wright at the Arizona Exotic Animal Hospital. He has been practicing exotic animal medicine for over 20 years and has over 150 publications in the field of exotic medicine and husbandry. He has also presented over 200 talks at national and international veterinary conferences. He is a member of: Association of Avian vet, Association of Exotic Mammal vets, Association of Reptilian and Amphibian vets and the American Association of Zoo vets. He also recieved the Exotic vet of the Year Award last year. To sum it up he is a darn fine and dedicated vet! I strongly encourage all of you who are in a position to help my vet and the reasearcher at Howard Hughes medical center to participate in this study. It may save the lives of our gliders and gliders to be, as well as the lives of family and friends alike.
Dr. Wrights phone number is (480) 275-7017 FAX (480) 284-5045. Web:arizonaexoticanimalhospital.com Dr Jay Johnson is the other vet I work with there. Another great vet (i'm truly blessed) I just don't have the info about him on me. Please help the gliders!

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#798808 - 06/25/09 01:50 PM Re: GLIDER LIVER TISSUES NEEDED FOR CANCER RESEARCH! [Re: kittybaran]
SugarGliderCandy
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sounds like you have a remarkable group of vets in your corner! I certainly hope that through others' tragedies, the glider community can live to see treatments and cures by way of research!

Thanks for sharing the information with the GC community!

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#798810 - 06/25/09 02:08 PM Re: cancer surgery, herbs and chemo for gliders [Re: ]
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Hey thanks for the prayers and thoughts everyone. Gretchen, thank you for the previous posts. I'm going to talk to my vet oncologist about some of the med/vitamins mentioned.
Geo is doing well - considering. Pesta is having problems. She spent the night in critical care at a neighboring 24 hour vet hospital with a IO catherter sutured in place, and very specific instrutions on what to do if... They were also given his cell phone to call if something went wrong during the night. God, I love my vets! She has some internal bleeding going on. My vet thinks that when she threw up (reaction to Ketamine injection I gave her in the morning) that she blew out a blood plug so to speak, from the abdominal movements of barfing. Between that and the blood loss she is hypovolemic (decreased blood volume)so she is a bit shocky. He uesed a couple of meds to help stop the bleed, Ladicaine and something else. I pick her up this morning from the 24 hr place and took her back to my Docs to be monitored. She is still not really stable so I imagine that we will delay the chemo treatment at least on her for awhile. Thanks again for the prayers we certainly need them Kitty

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#798814 - 06/25/09 02:27 PM Re: cancer surgery, herbs and chemo for gliders [Re: kittybaran]
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Awww poor baby is going through so much. gangel Many hugs and prayers to you! I hope that she startes feeling better soon and the treatments help! hug2 hug2
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#798819 - 06/25/09 02:54 PM Re: GLIDER LIVER TISSUES NEEDED FOR CANCER RESEARCH! [Re: kittybaran]
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Loc: Sedona, AZ
I have printed this out to give to my vet.
Thank you....Pat
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#798886 - 06/25/09 04:51 PM Re: GLIDER LIVER TISSUES NEEDED FOR CANCER RESEARCH! [Re: ozzi]
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I also have been talking with some folks about this. Dr.Tristan is also involved in this study that is being done and has asked for some help.

I am in hopes we can get some answers.
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