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#784457 - 05/26/09 11:48 AM Monroe is NOT responding!
SugarBlossoms Offline
Serious Glideritis

Registered: 02/23/06
Posts: 5830
Loc: USA
Monroe was seen in emergency by his regular vet yesterday. He has a 'very very bad UTI'. He is on Metacam and Baytril as of yesterday but is not responding well. He is going back today to be seen at 4:20 PM. He is COLD, I cannot get him warm. He is pushing his face into anything he can and wants to lay on his tummy on the cage bars or across the Stealth stand.

He will not eat or drink anything. He has some diarreah.

Background: Sunday, I trimmed his nails, he was fine.

At app. 8:30 pm (dinnertime) He was crying, huffing, straining. He could not pee, he pooped a bit but it was hard like gravel.

He was given a dose of Torb Sunday night, after about 30 minutes, he fell asleep. He got up to eat around 3 am and seemed okay other than being very drowsy.

By early afternoon yesterday, he was dehydrated, chilly and very lethargic. He refused a wax worm and a moth.

His doctor was called in to the hospital where we met her.

Monroe had an ultrasound, Cystocentesis (removed urine from his bladder with a needle via the stomach), Sub Q, Urinalysis, Urine Cytology. He showed no crystals, no stones or anything other than a "very very bad UTI".

His anal glands were full and were expressed, no infection. No blockages.

Today, he is still unresponsive to any treatment. He will not eat or drink and is cold and lethargic with diarreah this morning. His mate will not come near him.

He is app. less than 2 years old, neutered and was on HPW when I got him a year ago. He has been on PML for the past year.

I am clueless as to what could be going on with him at this point. Any ideas?????? He is going back to see Dr. Williams today.
_________________________
Keeper of Handprints on my Heart, You left your Footprints on my soul.
My precious loves that left to quickly, Peanut, Katie
Isabella, Kiwi, Bonnie and Monroe.

Spread your wings and glide free of pain,
Until the day I see you again.

God speed my precious angels. I love you. Mama.

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#784464 - 05/26/09 12:03 PM Re: Monroe is NOT responding! [Re: SugarBlossoms]
silverwolf Offline
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Registered: 06/15/05
Posts: 1732
Loc: Utah
OH hun I am sorry to hear this but unfortunately I just don't have anything to offer other than my condolences I hope that he pulls through ok it could just take a little bit for him to respond to the antibiotics sometimes when we get really ill it can take longer than 24 hours before we start to feel better. Have you tried to use rice heating pads with him to see if that helps his temp?

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#784466 - 05/26/09 12:07 PM Re: Monroe is NOT responding! [Re: silverwolf]
LabNGliderMom Offline
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Registered: 01/04/09
Posts: 3753
Loc: Florida
Do NOT wait for appointment time- if he is cold and unresponsive he may very well be DYING RIGHT NOW... get him to the vet ASAP as in RIGHT NOW... these guys can go downhill VERY fast... he needs help NOW!!! Keep him WARM with your body heat and get him to the vet!!!
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#784467 - 05/26/09 12:07 PM Re: Monroe is NOT responding! [Re: SugarBlossoms]
nancy1202 Offline
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Registered: 05/21/08
Posts: 2529
Loc: Kentucky
Is that Dr. Williams at Jefferson Animal East? I am here in Louisville if you need a place to make a pit stop or a hand to hold! hug2 My phone number is in my profile. Sending healing thoughts for little Monroe!
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#784469 - 05/26/09 12:08 PM Re: Monroe is NOT responding! [Re: nancy1202]
monluvspagen
Unregistered


Aww poor baby I hope he gets better

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#784517 - 05/26/09 01:25 PM Re: Monroe is NOT responding! [Re: SugarBlossoms]
ozzi Offline
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Registered: 02/01/08
Posts: 3201
Loc: Sedona, AZ
Oh no!!! I hope he is going to be alright. I will be praying for you and little Monroe angel

Pat
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Pat
You have not lived until you have done something for someone who can never repay you.....Unknown

Rest in Peace our little sweet friends that have crossed over the "Rainbow Bridge".
I miss you gangel Boo-Boo, Lucy, BJ, and Fivel gangel

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#784521 - 05/26/09 01:33 PM Re: Monroe is NOT responding! [Re: ozzi]
sugarlope Offline
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Registered: 03/28/02
Posts: 19735
Loc: in my happy place
hug2 Sending healing thoughts and prayers for Monroe hug2
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Maia & Squish
If we never loved, then maybe we would never feel pain. Love anyway. It's worth it.

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#784523 - 05/26/09 01:36 PM Re: Monroe is NOT responding! [Re: ozzi]
SugarBlossoms Offline
Serious Glideritis

Registered: 02/23/06
Posts: 5830
Loc: USA
He is not responding to the medicine, he himself is responsive.

I have a puppy disc warmer, hot water bottles and rice packs. I got him warmed up on me for over an hour. He is sleeping right now. I have sub Q fluids but would rather his vet do it at this time.

Yes, Dr. Pam Williams at Jefferson East. She spent her holiday with him and me yesterday and is coming in today again to see what might be going on. I will be leaving in a few to head up there.

Thank you everyone and HUGS! I will post later as to what is going on. I was hoping someone might have some insight as to what might be going on.

I did NOT give him the Metacam today since it is dangerous to give to an animal that may be dehydrated.
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Keeper of Handprints on my Heart, You left your Footprints on my soul.
My precious loves that left to quickly, Peanut, Katie
Isabella, Kiwi, Bonnie and Monroe.

Spread your wings and glide free of pain,
Until the day I see you again.

God speed my precious angels. I love you. Mama.

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#784548 - 05/26/09 02:47 PM Re: Monroe is NOT responding! [Re: SugarBlossoms]
mommawannabe Offline
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Registered: 12/23/06
Posts: 2443
Loc: Roanoke, Virginia
Keeping you both in my thoughts and prayers. Let us know as soon as possible how the vet visit goes.

Anna
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#784550 - 05/26/09 02:53 PM Re: Monroe is NOT responding! [Re: mommawannabe]
LSardou Offline
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Registered: 03/01/06
Posts: 21060
Loc: Kansas
hug2 OMG Bridget, I'm sorry to hear that Monroe isn't feeling well. I know he will be in excellent care with Dr. Williams, and having you. Please call me if you need to talk.
Sending tons of hugs and prayers that Monroe will be alright. hug2

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#784552 - 05/26/09 02:56 PM Re: Monroe is NOT responding! [Re: LSardou]
Feather Offline
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Registered: 01/19/08
Posts: 12055
Loc: Wisconsin
Saying a prayer here for little Monroe. I hope he gets better quick.
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#784557 - 05/26/09 03:01 PM Re: Monroe is NOT responding! [Re: SugarBlossoms]
Beezer
Unregistered


Sorry to hear about Monroe - please let us know as soon as you return home as to how he is responding - I will say a prayer for you and Monroe -

Sue
owned by &
mom to

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#784601 - 05/26/09 04:39 PM Re: Monroe is NOT responding! [Re: ]
Karin Offline
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Registered: 09/06/01
Posts: 11583
Loc: Sycamore Illinois
Get better Monroe heart ...keep us posted how the little guy is doing.

Karin
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#784609 - 05/26/09 04:54 PM Re: Monroe is NOT responding! [Re: Karin]
suggiemom1980 Offline
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Registered: 03/05/07
Posts: 13746
Loc: Vincennes, IN, USA
Any updates???
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"Glide free :rbridge: Silly "Ozball" Ozzie. You left us 11/21/12..way too soon. You're forever loved, remembered, missed."

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#784660 - 05/26/09 06:59 PM Re: Monroe is NOT responding! [Re: suggiemom1980]
silverwolf Offline
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Registered: 06/15/05
Posts: 1732
Loc: Utah
Just wondering how the vet visit went. Has he shown any signs of improving?

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#784695 - 05/26/09 08:16 PM Re: Monroe is NOT responding! [Re: silverwolf]
Cora Offline
Serious Glideritis

Registered: 04/16/05
Posts: 6573
Loc: Kilgore, Texas
Oh No!!! My thoughts and prayers are with you all.
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#784698 - 05/26/09 08:25 PM Re: Monroe is NOT responding! [Re: Cora]
LabNGliderMom Offline
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Registered: 01/04/09
Posts: 3753
Loc: Florida
How did the vet visit go? Is Monroe doing any better??
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Hubby: George
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Grandsons: Trysten, Dayton, KJ & Nathyn
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#784702 - 05/26/09 08:28 PM Re: Monroe is NOT responding! [Re: silverwolf]
flutterbye Offline
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Registered: 11/02/08
Posts: 1022
Loc: indiana
any news?? praying all is well.
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#784712 - 05/26/09 08:52 PM Re: Monroe is NOT responding! [Re: flutterbye]
SugarBlossoms Offline
Serious Glideritis

Registered: 02/23/06
Posts: 5830
Loc: USA
We just got home at 8:30 from our vet. I have to run out and get another medication. I will update in a bit.

Thank you everyone!! Please pray for Monroe!!
_________________________
Keeper of Handprints on my Heart, You left your Footprints on my soul.
My precious loves that left to quickly, Peanut, Katie
Isabella, Kiwi, Bonnie and Monroe.

Spread your wings and glide free of pain,
Until the day I see you again.

God speed my precious angels. I love you. Mama.

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#784714 - 05/26/09 08:58 PM Re: Monroe is NOT responding! [Re: SugarBlossoms]
ozzi Offline
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Registered: 02/01/08
Posts: 3201
Loc: Sedona, AZ
Originally Posted By: SugarBlossoms
We just got home at 8:30 from our vet. I have to run out and get another medication. I will update in a bit.

Thank you everyone!! Please pray for Monroe!!


angel Prayer's, Prayers, Prayer's for Monroe angel

Pat, Boo-Boo, and BJ angel
_________________________
Pat
You have not lived until you have done something for someone who can never repay you.....Unknown

Rest in Peace our little sweet friends that have crossed over the "Rainbow Bridge".
I miss you gangel Boo-Boo, Lucy, BJ, and Fivel gangel

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#784718 - 05/26/09 09:03 PM Re: Monroe is NOT responding! [Re: ozzi]
StitchsMom Offline
Glideritis Anonymous

Registered: 09/24/03
Posts: 10569
Loc: IL (St. Louis area)
I just wanted you to know that I'm watching this thread and praying for the best. hug2
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#784730 - 05/26/09 09:49 PM Re: Monroe is NOT responding! [Re: StitchsMom]
SugarBlossoms Offline
Serious Glideritis

Registered: 02/23/06
Posts: 5830
Loc: USA
Today was rough to say the least. Monroe had 2 more x-rays, another ultrasound, urinalysis among other tests. We couldn't get a blood draw like we wanted.

A couple of things found were a tummy full of gas but again, no blockages. (I had to run out and get infant Gas X)

This one is interesting, strange and terrifying. Monroe's heart is NOT where it is supposed to be.

Many years ago I had a puppy that "pranced" like a show horse, thought it was adorable until I was told he had a heart defect causing him to walk the way he did.

Monroe has never walked like other gliders. His nickname is SPIDERglider because he walks like a lizard and looks like a spider when he walks. I thought about it and worried and may now have good reason to be. frown

Monroe's heart is completely on the left side and is actually covering one lung causing possibly some congestion in his heart.

Nothing else is out of place. His bone density looks great but he lost function in his entire body while at the hospital today.

He was in dire pain and finally went after himself to rip his stomach area open while I was holding him today. He was given pain meds at a much higher dosage than yesterday after being Sub Q'd again today. Thank God that happened AT the hospital, not with me alone.

His weight was up 12 grams from yesterday from bloat. From what? We are not sure. He had no intake of food or liquids other than the Sub Q yesterday.

He will not be getting anymore Metacam, he pee'd all over himself which was good. He is now on Baytril, torb, Benebac and Gas X for infants. He took in 2 CC's of PML and a few licks of yogurt. I will trying to get him to eat app. every 2 hours throughout the night and every 3 tomorrow.

Dr. Williams is at a loss and stated so. SOMETHING is wrong but it's not showing up on any tests done so far.

She asked me if I wanted to stop treatment and basically "let him go". I said no. God please forgive me if I am wrong but I can't not try. Monroe is young, until this, healthy (?). He has never had any illness or injury. I have to try. I love him dearly.

Monroe is in a body cast and unable to move or walk at this time. I have him in a hospital "cage" (aquarium) with a hot water bottle and fleece. He will be next to me constantly.

I don't know what to do about Mardi, his mate. She is crabbing (she has NEVER crabbed before) and doesn't want to eat or play. She however, will NOT go near him. frown

Thank you everyone for prayers, Monroe needs them...and Mardi too. hug2
_________________________
Keeper of Handprints on my Heart, You left your Footprints on my soul.
My precious loves that left to quickly, Peanut, Katie
Isabella, Kiwi, Bonnie and Monroe.

Spread your wings and glide free of pain,
Until the day I see you again.

God speed my precious angels. I love you. Mama.

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#784738 - 05/26/09 10:09 PM Re: Monroe is NOT responding! [Re: SugarBlossoms]
ozzi Offline
Glider Addict

Registered: 02/01/08
Posts: 3201
Loc: Sedona, AZ
Oh my God poor Monroe cry
My heart and many prayers go out to you little Monroe
I wish I was there to help in some way.

angel angel angel
Come on Monroe, we love you little man agree

Pat, Boo-Boo, and BJ angel
_________________________
Pat
You have not lived until you have done something for someone who can never repay you.....Unknown

Rest in Peace our little sweet friends that have crossed over the "Rainbow Bridge".
I miss you gangel Boo-Boo, Lucy, BJ, and Fivel gangel

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#784741 - 05/26/09 10:18 PM Re: Monroe is NOT responding! [Re: SugarBlossoms]
the gliders angel Offline
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Registered: 08/08/01
Posts: 3059
Loc: u.s.a.
i would not give the gas x. if its the heart this would not help. i think all those meds are too much. i would stick with the baytril or try another antibiotic did u run a fecal float with smear also a fecal cytology to rule out anything else. you dont need to bring him for these tests. but if he is not eating you wont get any stool to run them. the fecal float w/smear is for any bacterial issues. stress does these guys in so i would leave him in his cage with his mate if it were me. also, when you give the meds try squirting them in a drop of yogurt and let him lick it off the yogurt the only yogurt that will work is the yoplait custard style strawberry they all go wild for thisi yogurt and when i had to use meds this worked well for me and no forcing it. sometimes the stress kills these guys more than what we are treating for.

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#784754 - 05/26/09 10:37 PM Re: Monroe is NOT responding! [Re: the gliders angel]
SugarBlossoms Offline
Serious Glideritis

Registered: 02/23/06
Posts: 5830
Loc: USA
I already gave the Gas X to him. He had a fecal float done with what we got out and from expressing the anal glands. He has had a bit of yogurt licks tonight and also is on Benebac to replace the good bacteria the antibiotic takes out along with the bad.

His urine is full of bacteria, he has a ton of white blood cells in there too. (high infection) The thing with having a UTI is his case is not knowing exactly WHERE it's coming from. It could be anywhere in the urinary tract including kidneys, bladder and even places such as the pancreas. Although Dr. Williams has never seen or heard of a glider having Pancreaitis, she said it's possible he may. It's not something we can find out now though. We do know that his other organs are within normal range and are in the right place. (except his heart)

I just checked on him, he is awake and very alert right now. I am praying this is a good sign.
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Keeper of Handprints on my Heart, You left your Footprints on my soul.
My precious loves that left to quickly, Peanut, Katie
Isabella, Kiwi, Bonnie and Monroe.

Spread your wings and glide free of pain,
Until the day I see you again.

God speed my precious angels. I love you. Mama.

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#784777 - 05/26/09 11:02 PM Re: Monroe is NOT responding! [Re: SugarBlossoms]
USMom Offline
Serious Glideritis

Registered: 05/11/05
Posts: 7356
Loc: Austin, TX
SB, is there anything I can do for you? Let me know.

If the vet said the GasX is okay, then go for it. TGA, they found gas in the X-ray. I almost missed it when I read about the heart issue, but he is gassy, too. Unless the GasX has something that can hurt the heart?

Cooper was sick, very sick for a long time and for a week he did the thing you talked about earlier, trying to hide his head and just lay there. It took a long time, but we did get him better. I'll be praying for you and your little guy!
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#784786 - 05/26/09 11:14 PM Re: Monroe is NOT responding! [Re: USMom]
tbull Offline
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Registered: 10/04/05
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Loc: Wyoming
hug2 our thoughts are with you hug2
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#784788 - 05/26/09 11:20 PM Re: Monroe is NOT responding! [Re: USMom]
shar0na
Unregistered


Poor baby.. and poor you!! cry

Even through all of this, remember to take care of yourself. We're no good for our babies if we're not in good physical and emotional health. Don't be afraid to ask for help from loved ones!! heart

Sending many hugs for you through this rough time and many prayers for Monroe hug2 hug2 hug2 angel angel angel

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#784790 - 05/26/09 11:27 PM Re: Monroe is NOT responding! [Re: SugarBlossoms]
ozzi Offline
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Registered: 02/01/08
Posts: 3201
Loc: Sedona, AZ
I am posting these pictures of Monroe for Bridget.

Monroe Pictures

Come on Little Monroe. Hoping you start feeling better ASAP angel

Pat, Boo-Boo, and BJ angel
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Pat
You have not lived until you have done something for someone who can never repay you.....Unknown

Rest in Peace our little sweet friends that have crossed over the "Rainbow Bridge".
I miss you gangel Boo-Boo, Lucy, BJ, and Fivel gangel

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#784808 - 05/26/09 11:48 PM Re: Monroe is NOT responding! [Re: ozzi]
Lori
Unregistered


He looks tooo cute in his cast....and all those fat rolls hanging over are just adorable...I am praying your little one makes a fast recovery. smile
Just a note: Gas-X has nothing in it that will hurt the heart. It is one of the safer drugs that is on the market.



Lori, LPN

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