Sugar Glider Community Calendar

Please click here to see larger view
Articles
More coming soon!!
Today's Birthdays
jen102375, NatalieFuzzbutt, upsoon
Featured Member
Registered: 10/20/17
Posts: 2
Last 10 Posts
Looking for vet recommendation, Atlanta
by Jen_faith
Today at 04:40 AM
Took in a glider from my Ex
by New_Guy
Today at 12:11 AM
Should breeding pairs ever be separated?
by AlyCatz
Yesterday at 10:24 PM
Introducing Two Colonies
by Feather
Yesterday at 01:15 PM
Fruits and Veggies
by KarenE
Yesterday at 10:39 AM
Questions about following Critter Love diet exactly as written
by KarenE
Yesterday at 10:37 AM
My dog Willow
by Terry
10/21/17 06:36 PM
Too Soon To Say Goodbye, my Lulu
by Ladymagyver
10/21/17 05:44 AM
Twitchy tale movements
by Feather
10/20/17 04:15 PM
Seeking a Bra Baby Glider for PTSD
by Ladymagyver
10/20/17 02:00 PM
Google+

Facebook
Join Us On Facebook
Topic Options
#78509 - 01/19/06 07:15 AM Where's The Beef?
Charlie H Offline
Glider Slave

Registered: 11/13/03
Posts: 1659
Loc: Wallis Texas
We have always been told not to feed beef or dark meat from poultry to our gliders. Why? Is there any reason other than the calcium/phosporus ratio of beef? I would like to know also that if beef is such a poor dietary choice how do we humans get away with eating it all the time. Most of the people I know eat beef in some form several times a week.
Charlie H
_________________________
Rescue & Rehabilation
http://www.angelfire.com/tx/glidertree/
[]glidertree@toast.net[/]

Top
#78510 - 01/19/06 07:18 AM Re: Where's The Beef? [Re: ]
sugarglidersuz Offline
Glideritis Anonymous

Registered: 08/28/04
Posts: 14788
Loc: Cleveland, Ohio
[:"green"]This is a very good question, Charlie. I don't know the answer but will be watching to see if anyone else does...
_________________________
Suz Enyedy
:bb: Carina & Coobah
Allira & Gizmo :grey:
:grey: Picasso, Trinity Joy & Luna
:rbridge: DaisyMae; Darwin; Mareki; Mambo; Pika; Cricky; Reggie & Bobo, Pepe & Bittah


Suz' Sugar Gliders

Top
#78511 - 01/19/06 08:24 AM Re: Where's The Beef? [Re: ]
Anonymous
Unregistered


My guess would be that it has a higer fat content than white meat chicken. My hubbie is a health freak and is always telling me off for eating too much red meat because of colestrol etc. Personally I believe in the 'Everything in moderation' way of life.

By the way are pinkies and mice considered to be non red meat? Just curious.

Top
#78512 - 01/19/06 09:18 AM Re: Where's The Beef? [Re: ]
Anonymous
Unregistered


red meat has 2 issues.... and it affects many humans as well- including me- its harder to digest and requires special enzymes to absorb the proteins. Knowing what eating red meat does to me- doubled over in pain from cramps for hours from a bite or 2, I would never do that to a glider...

on a side note- some of the same issues exist with venison and pork for some people- its not even a fat issue. Chicken legs, are fatty... and the fat content isn't very good for our gliders.. to be honest its not that good for humans either.

Amie

Top
#78513 - 01/19/06 10:36 AM Re: Where's The Beef? [Re: ]
Xfilefan Offline
Serious Glideritis

Registered: 02/22/03
Posts: 8899
Loc: Jacksonville, FL
I don't know whether this has anything to do with it or not, but red meat is also much higher in iron than poultry, pork, or fish. On a side note, once a month or so, I crock pot a small roast-no seasonings, and all the gliders get a serving of beef (they love it!)..then we eat the rest of it. I don't figure an occasional treat of it will hurt any, and they've never seemed to be bothered by it.
_________________________
Jen/Colin :bb: Commander Riker 12 16 02-10 04 12 you will be FOREVER missed :wfb: Sinbad, :wfb: Gabby, :grey: Baby, and :grey: Alley

Top
#78514 - 01/19/06 04:22 PM Re: Where's The Beef? [Re: ]
Anonymous
Unregistered


It`s scary to think that when I first got my gliders I was feeding them steak, ground hamburger, ham steak and hot dogs. The guy at the pet store said it should be fine. That diet didn`t last long at all when I found out these were not good for them. Luckily I found forums such as GC, that`s how I found out. I`m sure, like they always say, in moderation should be ok. I should see if they remember hot dogs lol.

Top
#78515 - 01/19/06 08:36 PM Re: Where's The Beef? [Re: ]
Charlie H Offline
Glider Slave

Registered: 11/13/03
Posts: 1659
Loc: Wallis Texas
But can you tell me why a piece of T bone or a pork chop would not be good for the gliders. All animals need a certain amount of fat in the diet. As far as some people not being able to eat red meat, that is an exception not the rule. Some people cannot tolerate sugar while others seem to have no problem with it. I know people who can look at a piece of cake and gain weight while others seem to eat everything in sight and stay skinny as a rail. I'm still looking for the specific reason why gliders cannot eat beef or pork. And has anyone ever done a study or is this just something that someone posted that everyone picked up on. Another myth maybe? <img src="/ubbthreads/images/graemlins/nixweiss.gif" alt="" />
Charlie H
_________________________
Rescue & Rehabilation
http://www.angelfire.com/tx/glidertree/
[]glidertree@toast.net[/]

Top
#78516 - 01/19/06 08:50 PM Re: Where's The Beef? [Re: ]
Anonymous
Unregistered


Gosh, Charlie, you always write the best posts! I would have no idea, but I'd hazard a guess that maybe it's more difficult for them to chew/eat? I mean, the gliders do suck the moisture out of food, but maybe the meat could present a possible choking hazard? Not to be gross or anything, but sometimes, the meat "threads" get stuck in between my teeth, if a glider were to have something like that stick in their little throats... well... just a guess! I have no idea. Great question, though!

Top
#78517 - 01/19/06 10:06 PM Re: Where's The Beef? [Re: ]
Anonymous
Unregistered


Love it!!! I thoroughly enjoy sorting the myths/unexplained orthodox methodologies from truth/fact when it comes to this business of glider husbandry. Great one, Charlie! It comes to show you how trusting most are in terms of the "rules". I don't think there has been any study on beef and captive gliders here in North America.

When I am in the mass building phase at the gym, I find I get faster results and gain the weight when I'm eating beef/steaks than I do if I'm eating chicken breast, egg whites, or fish, regardless of how lean the meat is. It has always been that way for me, and I have found that beef (and in particular rare steak) in conjuction with soy milk (which btw also is high in phosphorus, but is also high in ubiquinone/Q-10... as it relates to Wombaroo, soy protein happens to be a main constituent and has proven to give great results in the gliders) has always been the best source for dietary absorbable protein (as well as other vits), other than the shakes.

Mikey <img src="/ubbthreads/images/graemlins/dance.gif" alt="" />

Top
#78518 - 01/20/06 05:15 AM Re: Where's The Beef? [Re: ]
Charlie H Offline
Glider Slave

Registered: 11/13/03
Posts: 1659
Loc: Wallis Texas
Here is something to think about. Allowed free range chickens and fish are scavangers. They will eat almost anything they can find. But a cow will graze on grass and grain. How can the meat from the scavangers be more healthy than the meat from a grazing animal? <img src="/ubbthreads/images/graemlins/nixweiss.gif" alt="" />

I didn't mention pork since hogs are in reality scavangers too. Plus the fact that hogs do not sweat and some think this causes them to retain a lot of toxins.

<img src="/ubbthreads/images/graemlins/offtopic.gif" alt="" /> Mikey, some of these body builders I know that are wanting to bulk up drink a shake 15 minutes before working out. It consists of Ensure or soy milk, and three raw eggs, blended with a scoop of ice cream. Seems to work for them!
Charlie H


Edited by Charlie H (01/20/06 05:29 AM)

Top
#78519 - 01/20/06 09:23 AM Re: Where's The Beef? [Re: ]
Anonymous
Unregistered


Charlie- it is a proven medical fact that certain proteins are harder to digest. This isn't just that some people have trouble with them, its just that some people are more capable of handling such things then others. If its not something they are used to and eat regularly no one can handle red meats- in other words if you stop eating them entirely you will lose the ability to do so for the rest of your life after a period of 2-3 years.

I did a google search on red meat and digestion on google just now- since I don't have the articles at work that my doctors have given me and the dieticians I know have pointed me at. Interestingly enough other then the articles on recipes for beef and on weightlifting they all seemed to point to articles stating it wasn't good for people and listing all kinds of health issues it can affect- including making parkinsons patients worse, and causing colo-rectal cancer...

I may be the oddball because I do read a lot of food related research for humans, but with my dietary issues, I find it fascinating, though I don't modify my diet according to the research I do, and don't plan on it. I also find it interesting that in some of the living a better/longer life research (dr Weil for ex.) they recommend avoiding red meats as well, except for rare treats. I have some friends who have started following his work, thats when I learned about that.

Top
#78520 - 01/20/06 01:30 PM Re: Where's The Beef? [Re: ]
Xfilefan Offline
Serious Glideritis

Registered: 02/22/03
Posts: 8899
Loc: Jacksonville, FL
Not to start an argument or anything-but something I wondered before-would mice be closer to beef or chicken? When I cut the fuzzies in half when Troi was pregnant/nursing, it looked like red meat...at least in appearance. I haven't a clue, honestly.
<img src="/ubbthreads/images/graemlins/nixweiss.gif" alt="" />
_________________________
Jen/Colin :bb: Commander Riker 12 16 02-10 04 12 you will be FOREVER missed :wfb: Sinbad, :wfb: Gabby, :grey: Baby, and :grey: Alley

Top
#78521 - 01/20/06 02:09 PM Re: Where's The Beef? [Re: ]
Anonymous
Unregistered


We'll have to have a list of people who feed red meat on a semi regular basis and see how their gliders have turned out over a long period of time. Sans preservatives and such, just meat like boiled/nuked/broiled ect.

I know my guys get deer meet or beef weekly. (they go nuts over it) *shrug* Maybe since they like it so much, it can't be good for them....
It's a once or twice a week thing, if I make dinner I set a wee bit aside and make them some sans seasonings.

BTW, is there any red meat with good ratios that can be fed supplementally? Good way to find out or start a study...

I would like to work with someone who could create a 'healthy'-ratiod diet using some form of red meat.

Good question Anyway Charlie H. Maybe I'll start taking e-mails to start a study. Anyone willing to participate?

Top
#78522 - 01/20/06 05:04 PM Re: Where's The Beef? [Re: ]
Anonymous
Unregistered


My gliders have enjoyed some beef every now and then, with no harm. Actually, I'm guilty of creating MML one time when I used beef baby food instead of chicken (the store ran out of the chicken), and again, there were no ill effects over that month.

The point about the scavengers is a great one! <img src="/ubbthreads/images/graemlins/yelclap.gif" alt="" />

<img src="/ubbthreads/images/graemlins/offtopic.gif" alt="" />
</font><blockquote><font class="small">Quote:</font><hr />
Mikey, some of these body builders I know that are wanting to bulk up drink a shake 15 minutes before working out. It consists of Ensure or soy milk, and three raw eggs, blended with a scoop of ice cream. Seems to work for them!

<hr /></blockquote><font class="post">

Funny, I just got back from the gym and enjoying a shake now. Yeah, I have three shakes a day (in the morning, post work-out, and before bed) mixed with raw eggs (I wish I could digest lactose, otherwise ice cream would definitely be in there, too, or at least cottage cheese! LOL.), and lots and lots of carbs during the mass-building. I find it does help, and again consuming lots of beef steak and soy milk, as well. Over the past five weeks I've gone from 157 lbs to 173 lbs.

Goooooo BEEF! <img src="/ubbthreads/images/graemlins/smile.gif" alt="" />

Mikey <img src="/ubbthreads/images/graemlins/dance.gif" alt="" />

Top
#78523 - 01/20/06 06:40 PM Re: Where's The Beef? [Re: ]
Charlie H Offline
Glider Slave

Registered: 11/13/03
Posts: 1659
Loc: Wallis Texas
Khyricat, don't feel like I am picking on you here! <img src="/ubbthreads/images/graemlins/shakehead.gif" alt="" /> I have also read quiet a lot about diets for humans as well as many domestic and exotic animals. The one thing I have learned well is that if you do not like what you read about almost any dietary item if you research a little farther you will find a different opinion. This statement jumps out at me from your post.
</font><blockquote><font class="small">Quote:</font><hr />
If its not something they are used to and eat regularly no one can handle red meats- in other words if you stop eating them entirely you will lose the ability to do so for the rest of your life after a period of 2-3 years.

<hr /></blockquote><font class="post">

Please do not tell this to the POWs that were held in the Far East during WWII for up to five years. <img src="/ubbthreads/images/graemlins/evil.gif" alt="" /> I think if I were you I would throw the book away that you got that quote from. <img src="/ubbthreads/images/graemlins/ooo.gif" alt="" /> <img src="/ubbthreads/images/graemlins/ooo.gif" alt="" />
Charlie H
_________________________
Rescue & Rehabilation
http://www.angelfire.com/tx/glidertree/
[]glidertree@toast.net[/]

Top
#78524 - 01/21/06 08:12 AM Re: Where's The Beef? [Re: ]
Anonymous
Unregistered


it wasn't a book, its something I've been told by 3 different doctors because I stopped eating red meat as a pre-teen and when I tried to go back to eating it wound up hospitalized! thats when I started researching a lot of the stuff I know about diet and specifically meats (I know a lot about dairy because I'm allergic to it but thats a different story)

Amie

Top
#78525 - 01/21/06 10:21 AM Re: Where's The Beef? [Re: ]
Charlie H Offline
Glider Slave

Registered: 11/13/03
Posts: 1659
Loc: Wallis Texas
Maybe the doctors were referring to people with your particular medical condition. Surely they would not make a statement like that about a normal healthy human. <img src="/ubbthreads/images/graemlins/worried2.gif" alt="" /> If that were the case we would probably never be able to feed beef to children.
Charlie H
_________________________
Rescue & Rehabilation
http://www.angelfire.com/tx/glidertree/
[]glidertree@toast.net[/]

Top
#78526 - 01/21/06 06:13 PM Re: Where's The Beef? [Re: ]
Anonymous
Unregistered


I have also heard of the vegetarian type people who will go back to try meat and get sick, but, as with some food, they weren't used to processing it. In everycase that the person 'weaned' themselves back into it, they were fine. I assume its like being super healthy, then gutloading on unhealthy and getting sick, your just not used to it. Eventually/gradually, its not something I have heard to be a continuing issue. Unless it was a medical condition, which can pop up later years as with some allergies.

On a side note, generally, the meat products that tended to be the vegetarians FIRST meal, was a fast food they had missed.... Make your own conclusion on that one.

I also know several people with beef.pork intolorance, and yes, it's just something they're body doesn't take well. From Migranes to digestive issues.

Someone somewhere, will have a problem with something. Animals can be that way to. That doesn't mean it's all of them.

Top




Moderator:  Feather, KarenE, Ladymagyver, Philwojo 
Sugar Glider Help Page



Please click above to see how you can help!!

Moon
CURRENT MOON
Who's Online
0 registered (), 14 Guests and 62 Spiders online.
Key: Owner, Admin, Mod
Newest Members
reba, AlyCatz, mandydarr, FinFiFuFe, Angelicat26
6389 Registered Users
Forum Stats
12 posts in the last 24hrs
6389 Members
134 Forums
8902 Topics
147909 Posts

Max Online: 478 @ 07/15/07 01:24 AM
Last 10 New Topics
Took in a glider from my Ex
by New_Guy
Today at 12:11 AM
Should breeding pairs ever be separated?
by AlyCatz
Yesterday at 04:53 AM
Twitchy tale movements
by FinFiFuFe
10/20/17 12:29 AM
Looking for vet recommendation, Atlanta
by Jen_faith
10/19/17 08:40 PM
First time glider owner looking for wisdom
by
10/19/17 03:36 PM
Older Male/Joey Female or Older Female?
by
10/19/17 10:01 AM
Cold snap!
by Ladymagyver
10/19/17 12:51 AM
Bringing Home Your Baby
by Amanda159
10/18/17 06:42 PM
Bedding
by Amanda159
10/18/17 05:53 PM
Male Glider penis problem
by Jen_faith
10/18/17 04:58 PM
(Views)Popular Topics
I just found a lump on Timmy's chest--HELP! 20203095
Spencer needs your prayers/good thoughts 12465190
TEXAS 646230
Pitbull biter needs advice/help 589182
OHIO 505256
Member Titles 449146
MISSOURI 383265
HOLY CRACKERS AMERICAN HPW's 359930
OKLAHOMA 344276
URGENT - Genetic Flaw discovered 342296
Supported Browser
This site was tested and is best viewed in Google Chrome & Mozilla FireFox



Firefox 3

Download your copy today!!!


GliderCENTRAL
©1998-2017