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#825618 - 08/22/09 10:49 AM Question for Breeders on the Creme-ino/Mosaic
Aimee_K
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I read a thread on crossing a Mosaic 100% Creme-ino het with a Creme-ino. I tried to get the thread going again but noone responded so I'm going to try it here. My question is - would you end up with cream colored joeys with white on them or cream colored joeys with grey? I thought it would be white since it seems like the mosaic is contributing a random white pattern to a grey joey. Opinions please, I'm really interested in getting a Creme-ino line to go with my mosaic line and setting up the hets with offspring. Also, I'd need a non-related Creme-ino line. Do any breeders trade Creme-ino to Creme-ino to get different lines? :cream: :rtmo:



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#825626 - 08/22/09 11:09 AM Re: Question for Breeders on the Creme-ino/Mosaic [Re: ]
ValkyrieMome Offline
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Remember that Genes don't "blend."

You have a dominant one, a recessive one, and sometimes co-dominant.

What that means is, you will rarely have characteristics of *both* unless both share common characteristics.

You may have a Cremino that is a mosaic het. Or a mosaic that is a Cremino het. But ... not a mosaic with red eyes, or a Cremino with cow-spotted ears or a ring tail.

Unless some of those genes are co-dominant and we don't know it yet!
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#825646 - 08/22/09 11:47 AM Re: Question for Breeders on the Creme-ino/Mosaic [Re: ValkyrieMome]
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Yes, you can get cremino-mosaics from pairing a mosaic/100% cremino het and a cremino. wink

There have been WT creminos and WF creminos, so, it's safe to assume that the mosaic gene will also work with the cremino gene and will show up. smile

If you have really light-colored mosaics, then the markings might not show, but if your creminos are darker, then they will show up.

No one is sure yet if the markings will show up as white or as a light cream, but the WT cremino I saw had a WHITE WT, so I'm thinking that cremino mosaics will have nice, white markings. grin

*No, they will not show up as gray markings. The mosaic gene creates WHITE splotches, not gray ones.
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#825651 - 08/22/09 12:19 PM Re: Question for Breeders on the Creme-ino/Mosaic [Re: Guerita135]
ValkyrieMome Offline
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Hmmmm. Must be that codominant thing. interesting!
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#825671 - 08/22/09 01:24 PM Re: Question for Breeders on the Creme-ino/Mosaic [Re: ValkyrieMome]
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Cremino is a color dilution. In a sense, they're still grays, but their "gray" is cream-colored due to there being a partial lack of pigment. So, whatever colors a gray shows, a cremino should be able to show them too. wink

They're not completely lacking in color, like an albino or a leu, which is why they're still able to show other markings, such as WF and WT.
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#825684 - 08/22/09 01:46 PM Re: Question for Breeders on the Creme-ino/Mosaic [Re: Guerita135]
BabyLoveGliders
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Yeah what she said!! LOL agree

Quote:
Creme-ino line. Do any breeders trade Creme-ino to Creme-ino to get different lines?



Sure do!!

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#825777 - 08/22/09 05:11 PM Re: Question for Breeders on the Creme-ino/Mosaic [Re: ]
Suggiegramma Offline
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Alden, there are no mosaic hets.
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#825996 - 08/23/09 12:59 AM Re: Question for Breeders on the Creme-ino/Mosaic [Re: Suggiegramma]
Guerita135 Offline
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Virginia, I think she was refering to a Cremino/"Possible Mosaic", rather then a "mosaic het". Like when a leu is also a possible mosaic.
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#826003 - 08/23/09 01:37 AM Re: Question for Breeders on the Creme-ino/Mosaic [Re: Guerita135]
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Subject near and dear to my heart-
Anyone have anything asides the WF and WT Creamino's yet?
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#826039 - 08/23/09 08:19 AM Re: Question for Breeders on the Creme-ino/Mosaic [Re: SugaWhit]
Guerita135 Offline
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No, however, there are multiple breeders attempting to breed for cremino mosaics. wink
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#826151 - 08/23/09 12:00 PM Re: Question for Breeders on the Creme-ino/Mosaic [Re: Guerita135]
gliderboy4life Offline
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In my opinion, we may be able to produce creme-ino mosaics. I believe we will see differnt shades of cream in the pattern we see mosaics. For example a ringtail with different shadesof cream rings. We will never now for sure until we produce one though!
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#826183 - 08/23/09 12:39 PM Re: Question for Breeders on the Creme-ino/Mosaic [Re: Guerita135]
ValkyrieMome Offline
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Loc: Denton, TX
Originally Posted By: Guerita135
Virginia, I think she was refering to a Cremino/"Possible Mosaic", rather then a "mosaic het". Like when a leu is also a possible mosaic.


right ... like that ... thanks.

I dunno - I don't understand genetics. I use my friends for that!! He he he!
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and very many great gliders!

(plus the 2 skin kids)
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#866337 - 11/13/09 09:20 PM Re: Question for Breeders on the Creme-ino/Mosaic [Re: ValkyrieMome]
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So what's the status on this...I know a few breeders are trying.
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#867620 - 11/16/09 10:49 AM Re: Question for Breeders on the Creme-ino/Mosaic [Re: Tish84]
eden
Unregistered


Different mutations are not compatible with each other but they are definitely able to be expressed visually at the same time. If one of the mutations is Leucistic it will likely only appear to be a regular Leucistic because the white hides any other traits. Morphs like Leucism affect the expression of colour pigments all-together but if both mutations affect only the type of colour or pattern of the animal then they can be expressed visually together. I completely agree with Tyler that they will likely come out as a mosaic pattern but where there would have been grey there will be creamino colouring. Mutations that affect pattern are very easily expressed in combination with mutations that affect colour. Creamino is a colour mutation while Mosaic is actually a pattern mutation (It can change the colour slightly but it would fall into the category of a pattern mutation since that is its main effect). That means the pattern of the animal will be mosaic, meaning areas of white, and the coloured areas of the animal will be creamino coloured since that is the morph that affects the colour. Sorry it is very confusing, I wish I could explain it better. The easiest way to illustrate would be for me to use Ball Pythons as that is more my area of expertise lol. Here is a picture of a morph called a Clown, it is a pattern mutation.
http://royalpythonranch.com/images/morphs/clown_2.png

This is a Caramel Albino which is a colour mutation and is the exact same as a Creamino Sugar Glider. They are the T+ Albino or Tyrosinase Positive Albino.
http://www.only88.jp/wp-content/uploads/2009/01/caramel-albino20080108.jpg

When combined together they show traits of both visually and the combination animal looks visually different from both parent morphs.
http://media.photobucket.com/image/caram...carmelclown.jpg

Cool huh? smile wink

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#867709 - 11/16/09 01:46 PM Re: Question for Breeders on the Creme-ino/Mosaic [Re: ]
Lynsie Offline
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There is no status at this point because most breeders are still in the beginning stage. First we had to breed the mosaic to the creamino to get a mosaic 100% creamino het to breed to a creamino. Most breeders are just now getting joeys out of those pairings. It will be awhile longer before we know what a creamino paired to a mosaic 100% creamino het produces.
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#867713 - 11/16/09 02:09 PM Re: Question for Breeders on the Creme-ino/Mosaic [Re: Lynsie]
Suggiegramma Offline
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Priscilla has a Mosaic Creme-ino.
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#867819 - 11/16/09 04:55 PM Re: Question for Breeders on the Creme-ino/Mosaic [Re: Suggiegramma]
Tish84 Offline
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Registered: 08/07/09
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Loc: Orlando, FL
Eden, I am not a big snake fan but that is one beautiful morph.

Lynsie, I know that is the 2 cage way but I do know that there are MO Creamino hets out there (My Mimkin is 50% cino/albino/leu het) so I assumed that's who some breeders would start with.

Priscilla has MO cino hets, but no creamy mo's LOL (I'm actually getting my boy from her)
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#868090 - 11/17/09 07:32 AM Re: Question for Breeders on the Creme-ino/Mosaic [Re: Tish84]
queenduck Offline
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I am working on it, but I too am in the beginning stages. I don't know if it can be done or not, and as far as I know it hasn't been done. It will be interesting to see.
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#868091 - 11/17/09 07:37 AM Re: Question for Breeders on the Creme-ino/Mosaic [Re: queenduck]
Suggiegramma Offline
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Loc: St. Charles, Missouri
I'm sorry, Priscilla's baby is a Creme-ino White tip, not a Mosaic.
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#868112 - 11/17/09 08:55 AM Re: Question for Breeders on the Creme-ino/Mosaic [Re: Suggiegramma]
eden
Unregistered


Virginia, are you thinking of Angelo? Isn't he stunning!! smile

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#868117 - 11/17/09 09:04 AM Re: Question for Breeders on the Creme-ino/Mosaic [Re: ]
Tish84 Offline
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Registered: 08/07/09
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Loc: Orlando, FL
Originally Posted By: eden
Virginia, are you thinking of Angelo? Isn't he stunning!! smile


And he is a platinum.
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#868485 - 11/17/09 11:07 PM Re: Question for Breeders on the Creme-ino/Mosaic [Re: Tish84]
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I am not sure I would call him a platinum. She doesn't have his lineage up on her website.
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