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#86416 - 03/04/06 07:56 PM Fostering, can it be done???
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I have a joey who is being ignored by the parents. Best I can tell she is just max 1-2 days OOP. The main concern is that there was twins. At feeding time this evening I went in and found both the mom and dad out of the nest. Inside the nest I found both the baby gliders (one male and one female).

I removed them quickly as they was ice cold. The female was the stronger of the two and the male was already dehydrated. We knew that chances were slim for him right away. Within 30 minutes he passed away.

Now what I am seeing is that both the joeys have had some facial trauma around the mouth & nose area. Inflamed red skin, closer inspection shows punture wounds. Almost as if one of the parents had tried to sufficate them by placing thier mouth over the joeys.

Now the question of fostering comes about as I have another colony of gliders which I have a joey who is 3wk oops. (To the age of crabbing all the time). I have pulled him from the colony right now since he is strong and placed both him and the 1 day oop joey in my pocket together to share my body heat and for the pinky to crawl up close to him.

So far this is working like a charm. Well other than everytime I move the 3wk joey lets me know about it with a crab.

So does anyone know if it has been done for fostering? Here is what I'm thinking. I should be able to let these two cuddle together for a long enough period for their smells to rub off onto each other.

I can remove the female mom from the glider colony (currently a glider colony of 5) and keep her in a brooder cage we have setup along with her own joey and the new one. If she will accept it. The brooder is heated so if she does abandon the young one, the heat will be fine to keep the chill away since we would check often anyhow. The concern would be that she would kill the joey that is not hers.

I know it is playing the odds. But we are talking a very young oop which may not make it anyhow. I'm doing the nursing now and she is taking the milk it seems. A slow go... My wife holds here in the UK certificates which would be equal or greater than that of a vet asistant in the US. She is specifically trained in small animals and their care.

We do have a decent amount of knowledge on gliders as we have total of 30 adults. But I have never tried this and wondering if anyone else has made the attempt and been successful with it. If so what steps did they take to have the foster mother accept the abandoned joey?

The pair that the abandon joey is from just doesn't do well when it comes from breeding. This is their third attempt (that we know of) at this with the last 2 attempts failing with them canabalizing the joeys prior to due date to become oop or on the due date of oop. We bought this pair from another person so who knows how many times they attempted to breed then as well. We have never been able to handle this pair either, extremely wild and quick to bite. I'm going to split the pair up I believe at this point and see if I can put her with a different male. I'm not sure if it is the male or the female that is causing the problems, or both. I'm going to have to give this option thought though. That is not the concern though at the minute. The concern is for the 1 day oop and the idea of fostering.

thanks,
Joe

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#86417 - 03/04/06 09:46 PM Re: Fostering, can it be done??? [Re: ]
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What a sad situation. I must say that I would take great caution in trying to introduce a young joey like that. Gliders are very scent oriented and I just don't know how little momma would react to a strange baby. Mixing the two joeys scents is a good idea in theory, but I just don't see it working. I'm also worried about over-working little momma. She has been raising a joey for 3 weeks and adding a new kiddo to the mix may be tough on her.

I would highly suggest supplementing the joey and wishing for the best. There have been so many success stories with the use of supplementing. This is part of breeding. When the parents can't handle it...you have to. <img src="/ubbthreads/images/graemlins/thumb.gif" alt="" />

And this may be a bit off topic, but I really don't think either of these gliders should be bred again. The male really should be neutered. They are a bonded pair that needs to remain together, but it seems obvious that these two just aren't meant to be parents. I don't think it's ever a good idea to allow aggressive gliders to breed.

Good luck with that little one! Keep us posted on any progress!
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#86418 - 03/05/06 05:08 AM Re: Fostering, can it be done??? [Re: ]
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well unfortuantly the lil one passed away last night before we could try the fostering idea.

True that gliders are very scent oriented, but rats and mice have been known to foster, this is what brought the idea to mind.

thank you for your thoughts on this and your help.

Joe

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#86419 - 03/05/06 08:52 AM Re: Fostering, can it be done??? [Re: ]
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I'm so sorry for your loss.
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#86420 - 03/05/06 11:21 AM Re: Fostering, can it be done??? [Re: ]
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Aww:(. Im sorry that you lost her.

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#86421 - 03/05/06 05:39 PM Re: Fostering, can it be done??? [Re: ]
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How sad, I'm so sorry for your loss. <img src="/ubbthreads/images/graemlins/heartpump.gif" alt="" /> <img src="/ubbthreads/images/graemlins/hug2.gif" alt="" /> <img src="/ubbthreads/images/graemlins/hug2.gif" alt="" /> <img src="/ubbthreads/images/graemlins/heartpump.gif" alt="" />

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#86422 - 03/05/06 05:58 PM Re: Fostering, can it be done??? [Re: ]
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Sorry for your loss. I know it's too late for this little one, but to answer your question, I have heard of gliders at least starting to foster a joey not belonging to them, but I don't know how it turned out. Seems like there was a post about it about 3-4 weeks ago, but I don't remember the name of the post or who posted it. I just remember reading it the weekend of the SGR in Round Rock.

I agree that whether it's the mom or dad killing and/or neglecting the joeys, this pair should stay together but with the male neutered. Obviously they weren't meant to be parents, but I don't think that should be a reason to separate them. It's not like there's a shortage of gliders in the world, so why would you want to separate them only to try to get more joeys from an aggressive glider?

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#86423 - 03/05/06 06:36 PM Re: Fostering, can it be done??? [Re: ]
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I no we can not help you now and I am sorry for your loss.

I to have been woundering if gliders will foster anyother joey. If anyone has ever tried this I think it would be great to find out. I have a gray female and male that are great parents I think if done the right way they would foster another joey.

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#86424 - 03/06/06 01:50 AM Re: Fostering, can it be done??? [Re: ]
StitchsMom Offline
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I'm so sorry you lost this little one! <img src="/ubbthreads/images/graemlins/crying.gif" alt="" />
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