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#867132 - 11/15/09 03:01 PM Freak accident in well known cage
DelilahsMom
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I purchased the Q16 cage off Ebay for one of my pairs. I know that many people have that cage or one similar. I did my research, got the proper bar spacing and still a freak accident occured.

Yesterday morning I found my beloved Bella hanging in her cage. Somehow she managed to get her head between 2 of the bars and was unable to get free. I assumed she was dead but when I went to remove her, she started writhing.

Unfortunately, her injuries were extensive and she had to be put to sleep.

I'm not sharing this to start an epidemic of fear. Rather I wanted you all to know that even in the right cage, with all the precautions we can take, freak accidents can occur.

**EVEN AS AN ADULT, BELLA WAS A SMALLER GLIDER!** Her mom never made it over 75g.


Edited by DelilahsMom (11/15/09 03:17 PM)
Edit Reason: add size info

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#867136 - 11/15/09 03:03 PM Re: Freak accident in well known cage [Re: ]
WintersSong Offline
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Registered: 10/26/09
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Do you have a link to the cage? I just want to take a look at it...


I am so sorry to hear of your tragedy.
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#867140 - 11/15/09 03:05 PM Re: Freak accident in well known cage [Re: WintersSong]
DelilahsMom
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Providing link for reference. If inappropriate please remove. If anyone has a "safe" lnk, please provide.

Q16 B glider cage

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#867142 - 11/15/09 03:10 PM Re: Freak accident in well known cage [Re: ]
Kara Offline
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Registered: 11/06/09
Posts: 439
Loc: Centerville, TN
oh my. i am so sorry for your loss. i am in the process of redoing my cage because the bar spacings are too wide. i am doing mine 1/4" x 1/4"

thank you for alerting all of us.

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#867143 - 11/15/09 03:10 PM Re: Freak accident in well known cage [Re: ]
WintersSong Offline
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Thank you for providing the link for reference...
I was looking to see if I could find anything that wasn't up to the recommended standards, but everything seems like it should've been just perfect.

It's heartbreaking to hear of the accident. It doesn't seem that there was anything that could've been done to prevent the tragedy though.


ETA: Perhaps the bar spacing should be even smaller, maybe... I am looking for a new cage, and hearing of this tragedy, I can't help but be fearful.


Edited by WintersSong (11/15/09 03:12 PM)
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#867147 - 11/15/09 03:15 PM Re: Freak accident in well known cage [Re: WintersSong]
DelilahsMom
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Yes, I did lots of research into cages prior to deciding. Also, as of when I purchased it, it was to all specs that are deemed safe. I also talked to many people with this exact cage or the double breeding cage.

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#867150 - 11/15/09 03:22 PM Re: Freak accident in well known cage [Re: ]
Beezer
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OMG - I'm so sorry - and unfortunately it was a freak accident -

Again my condolences

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#867153 - 11/15/09 03:25 PM Re: Freak accident in well known cage [Re: ]
WintersSong Offline
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I do not think that you did a single thing wrong. I do thank you for sharing your story though, difficult as it must be. It will make us all aware that accidents can and do occur.. also that some things are just beyond our control.
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#867155 - 11/15/09 03:29 PM Re: Freak accident in well known cage [Re: WintersSong]
LSardou Offline
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hug2 Brittney, I am so sorry! My thoughts and prayers are with you. hug2

Glide Free Bella, you will always be in your mommy's heart.
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#867173 - 11/15/09 03:59 PM Re: Freak accident in well known cage [Re: LSardou]
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Ohhh!!!! Hon! I'm so sorry!!! cry :rbridge:
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#867184 - 11/15/09 04:20 PM Re: Freak accident in well known cage [Re: chattrbabe]
WendiH
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upsetOh, my gosh, Brittney! This is so awful! I am so sad to read this. My condolences to you.

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#867188 - 11/15/09 04:25 PM Re: Freak accident in well known cage [Re: ]
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I am so sorry that this has happened! We just never know when something like this will happen....an obviously tragic accident!
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#867204 - 11/15/09 04:37 PM Re: Freak accident in well known cage [Re: gliderma]
Amanda1981
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Oh Brittney, that's terrible. cry I'm so sorry for your loss, hun. God speed little one.

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#867214 - 11/15/09 04:46 PM Re: Freak accident in well known cage [Re: ]
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Registered: 04/01/99
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I don't think this is a freak accident.. as I am currently glidersitting some gliders with Joeys, they have the same cage,at 5 weeks oop, I found one of the joeys in the bottom (in the pan) thinking one of the kids were playing with him, I placed him back later that evening her was on the outside of the cage.. I started looking for broken bars, large gaps, door openings etc.. Nothing... the next night, after all the kids were in bed, I checked on them, all of them in the cage.. 2 hours later he was out again.. I checked the bottom wire, by pressing my thumb through them, sure enough the bars moved easily apart.. so I went to the workshop, and got some plastic landware, by the time I got back from the workshop he was out again. I placed it on the bottom of the cage, and zip tied it. well a couple of hours later he was out again,

in the middle of the night we had to do a massive cage swap.

now I don't think it is the spacing on these cages as much as the strength of the bars.
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#867215 - 11/15/09 04:46 PM Re: Freak accident in well known cage [Re: ]
sugarlope Offline
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I am so very sorry, Brittney. hug2

This does bring up a good discussion point. When I first got involved with gliders, people used to say that cages with vertical bars were not safe because some gliders could get hurt. If the spacing is kept at 1 x 1/2 inch or smaller, they may be less likely to get caught in it. BUT, I know many people have been using vertical cage bars for years without any problems and it had become accepted as safe. dunno

I am just so sorry that this has happened to your girl, there is just no way to know that something like this would happen. hug2
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#867219 - 11/15/09 04:50 PM Re: Freak accident in well known cage [Re: Bourbon]
WintersSong Offline
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I am quite nervous now about picking out my new cage, as I will be doing so over the internet...

very scary to think of the possibility of such injuries occuring!
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#867223 - 11/15/09 04:53 PM Re: Freak accident in well known cage [Re: WintersSong]
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Im sorry for your loss .
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#867232 - 11/15/09 05:12 PM Re: Freak accident in well known cage [Re: tammyangel]
Aimee_K
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hug2 So sorry to hear about your loss! hug2

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#867234 - 11/15/09 05:16 PM Re: Freak accident in well known cage [Re: tammyangel]
lovely1inred
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I am so sorry to hear this! Thank you for being brave enough to post for all to read, so all of us can be reminded to check everything in our cages and the cages themselves every day!

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#867271 - 11/15/09 05:49 PM Re: Freak accident in well known cage [Re: ]
Greatestgrammie
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To ALL that want a SAFE cage that can be bought in different sizes and styles or even CUSTOM made,you need to visit this website. . . . .

Cageworks.com

I would be beside myself should I lose one of my "baby girls" in this manner and I can only imagine your grief. My thoughts and prayers be with you.

Greatestgrammie


Edited by Greatestgrammie (11/15/09 05:50 PM)

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#867273 - 11/15/09 05:52 PM Re: Freak accident in well known cage [Re: ]
DelilahsMom
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B- Good point!

When I first got the cage Bella kept escapting but Blanco never did so I chalked it up to her being smaller. So, I wrapped the WHOLE cage in 1/2"x1/2" landware and she never got out again. I NEVER thought to cover the "landings" and ramps too...

Perhaps we should investigate the bar strength.

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#867279 - 11/15/09 05:57 PM Re: Freak accident in well known cage [Re: ]
oakley Offline
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Registered: 07/22/05
Posts: 2305
Loc: Florida, USA
Bourbon has a great point. Many cages have the right bar spacing, but the bars themselves are very flexible. I thought my first glider, Pepito, was Houdini when he kept getting out until I realized that I could fit two fingers between the bars without much effort. I now have two K&D Exotics cages and I LOVE THEM! The PVC coated wire is not only in squares, which prevent the problem of weak wire, but is also pretty strong so I doubt any glider could bend it if they tries.
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#867287 - 11/15/09 06:04 PM Re: Freak accident in well known cage [Re: oakley]
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Brittney,

I am so very sorry to hear that you had to make that difficult decision to help little Bella over the Rainbow Bridge because of her injuries.

May your memories of her comfort you in the days to come.

Glide Free little Bella :rbridge:
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#867296 - 11/15/09 06:16 PM Re: Freak accident in well known cage [Re: ]
WintersSong Offline
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Registered: 10/26/09
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I am confused about cageworks.com. I was told that it was owned by someone similar (if not the same) as the people at (PPP) Perfect Pocket Pets? Is that true?
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#867298 - 11/15/09 06:17 PM Re: Freak accident in well known cage [Re: oakley]
WintersSong Offline
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Does K&D Exotics have a website?
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#867301 - 11/15/09 06:25 PM Re: Freak accident in well known cage [Re: WintersSong]
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I'm so sorry for your loss
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#867307 - 11/15/09 06:30 PM Re: Freak accident in well known cage [Re: WintersSong]
DelilahsMom
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Let's all keep one thing in perspective.... This is the first accidental death related to a situation like this... Yes, we have many escape artists from many different cages but it doesn't mean everyone needs to freak out and replace every cage. I have had (PPP) Perfect Pocket Pets cages, repts, flights and this one.

We knew that this cage had an escape issue with the pull out floor leaving a gap. Most of us securely fastened that and it wasn't a problem anymore...

I guess I'm not losing my mind because I know I did all the right things and nothing could have stopped this...

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#867308 - 11/15/09 06:30 PM Re: Freak accident in well known cage [Re: WintersSong]
oakley Offline
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Registered: 07/22/05
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Loc: Florida, USA
Well, I know they used to, but their web-page seems to have been taken down.

They use a wire like klubertanz (or it might be klubertanz) to make their cages.
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#867311 - 11/15/09 06:32 PM Re: Freak accident in well known cage [Re: ]
WintersSong Offline
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Oh yes, I agree that we all don't need to be replacing our cages. My cage, one from (PPP) Perfect Pocket Pets, is too small for my gliders to use for a permanent home and that is why I am searching for a new one. I am looking for one that, ideally, has the bars crossed (small squares) like the small (PPP) Perfect Pocket Pets cage, just because I am confident that my gliders wouldn't be able to escape.

I have cats, so making my cage as escape proof as possible is a high priority.
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#867314 - 11/15/09 06:35 PM Re: Freak accident in well known cage [Re: WintersSong]
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K & D are no longer selling cages.

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