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#869 - 10/23/02 09:07 PM Sick Glider?
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<img border="0" title="" alt="[Frown]" src="images/icons/frown.gif" /> My 8 month old glider, Spike, has been acting very strange lately. He wakes up a lot during the day, makes strange noises (not crabbing or barking, it's hard to describe, but he sounds irritated, sorta like when he's hungry), and rolls around on the bottom of the cage, chasing his bottom. I've been watching him very closely, and his appetite has not changed. He's still eating a lot and moving around the same. I made sure I gave him a lot of fluids, just to be on the safe side. Lately, the noise has ceased, so I thought he was better. This morning, he was doing it again, chasing his bottom and making a lot more noise than usual. I waled up to the cage to talk to him and try to calm him down, and I noticed what looks like his penis (it's hard to tell on these animals, long pink thing) is hanging out about an inch, inch and a half, so I guess this has been what is irritating him. I spend a lot of time with him so I know this has came out in the last few days. Any one ever seen this? He is not neutered, but I don't think he should be going into puberty yet. I would love to take him to the vet, but as sad as it sounds, my husband won't let me. We paid $150 for him and that's how much a trip to the vet would cost, so he would rather not take him and buy a new one if necessary (if you know what I mean)I love my baby and don't want him to die. <img border="0" alt="cry" title="" src="graemlins/crying.gif" /> Help!?

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#870 - 10/23/02 09:29 PM Re: Sick Glider? [Re: ]
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Glider Freak,

Does he seem to biting on the area at all? From what you describe, it sounds like it may be a urinary track infection (UTI). Is his penis staying out continuously? If so, it runs the risk of drying out and exacerbating the problem. If this is the case, you will have to keep it lubricated with Vaseline. If it is a UTI, it will need to be treated by a vet with antibiotics. If not treated it could lead to self-mutilation. If he is chewing on it, you will need to put him into an e-collar to prevent further damage. Whatever the case, it really sounds like this little guy needs to see a vet. Most vets will arrange payments if finances are a problem. Here is a link on how to make an e-collar, you will also find information about self-mutilators on that site. Hope this helps and will convince your husband to take the little one to the vet.

E-Collar
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#871 - 10/23/02 09:46 PM Re: Sick Glider? [Re: ]
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The symptoms you describe can be very serious and potentially fatal in gliders.

Craig has give you excellent advice and has also given you some possible problems your glider may have.

Spike needs to see a vet at the earliest possible time. I realize that finances play a big part in your decision, but I must tell you that if Spike does indeed suffer from any of the problems Craig listed, he will suffer. I am not trying to scare you to death, but feel you should know just how serious this sounds.

Once gliders become ill, they can deteriorate almost right before our eyes. Normally, they have already hidden the illness for sometime before it is evident to us.

Once again, I urge to get Spike to a vet.
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#872 - 10/23/02 09:47 PM Re: Sick Glider? [Re: ]
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Hi and welcome to GC!!!!

I am not the expert here but I do have a male and his penis does come out at least a inch or two. He cleans it often but have not seen him chase his bottom. His penis does come in and out and I read that was normal as long as it does not stay out. Maybe you could call the vet and talk to them about it. Maybe the vet bill will not be that much. Have you checked? I'm sure someone will come along with more help for you. I'm new at this too so I know how worried you can get.
Good luck and please keep us posted.
Steph

<small>[ 10-23-2002, 10:49 PM: Message edited by: Steph N Jazze ]</small>

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#873 - 10/23/02 10:13 PM Re: Sick Glider? [Re: Izzyandrileysmom]
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Thank you so much for the advise. It's greatly appreciated.
I assure you, finances do not play a part in it. It's him comparing the vet bill to new glider costs. He loves Spike too, but it's like buying a dog for $1000 than spending $1000 on a vet bill.
I think I can talk him into taking Spike to the vet. We've put too much time into him to let him go now. I am so glad for the e-collar idea. <img border="0" title="" alt="[Big Grin]" src="images/icons/grin.gif" /> I know this is really going to help. A stupid question: Would his penis be underneath his scrotom (the pom-pom thing)? I just checked it out again and it appears to be coming out of his anus, although I could be wrong, not knowing anything about the anatomy of these creatures. Thanks again guys! I'll let you know how this turns out.

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#874 - 10/23/02 10:18 PM Re: Sick Glider? [Re: ]
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Glider Freak,

Yes that would be his penis. Gliders have what is called a Cloaca which is a common duct. It is the opening to the urinary, excretory, and reproductive systems. BMXgirls Glider Anatomy site has some pics that you can check out. Let us know what the vet says.
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#875 - 10/24/02 02:00 PM Re: Sick Glider? [Re: ]
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How is this little guy??? <img border="0" alt="worried" title="" src="graemlins/worried2.gif" />

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#876 - 10/24/02 09:07 PM Re: Sick Glider? [Re: ]
Anonymous
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Well, time for an update. I tried the e-collar last night and it was a no-go. Spike is the most gentle thing and he bit me and my husband a good 5 times a piece, but I know it was just because he was scared. I actually got him into it twice, but both times he acted like he was choking when I put it on, the wiggled out of it when I put him back in his cage. So, I gave up, for the time being.When I got up this morning at 10:30, he was still awake. He looked so sad, just sitting there, looking sooo tired. I think he wore himself out! Poor baby! So, I went to work and was sad all day, afraid I'd come home to a dead Spike. At work, I metioned to a co-worker what was going on. He has a hedgehog, and his wife works at an animal clinic, so I was hoping for some advise. He had none, but went home and told his wife about it and she called me at work. I described to her the problem and at the moment she is trying to reach the Dr. to see if he will see him. It will only be $35+ whatever medicine he needs, so I think I can talk my husband into that. The Dr. normally doesn't see gliders, but she is hopeful that he will make an exception. I'll keep you guys posted and thanks for all the support! <img border="0" title="" alt="[Big Grin]" src="images/icons/grin.gif" />

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#877 - 10/24/02 09:09 PM Re: Sick Glider? [Re: ]
Anonymous
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By the way, I forgot. The friend who sold me Spike suggested I give him some sodium free cranberry juice, and make a diaper sort thing to protect him from himself. I'll let you know if it works.

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#878 - 10/24/02 09:29 PM Re: Sick Glider? [Re: ]
BeetleJuice Offline
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Loc: Summerville, SC
Glider Freak,

If he is already having trouble with his bottom, I'm not sure I would give him something as acidic as cranberry juice. The e-collar or any device with the same intended purpose will not help the problem, just prevent any damage until the problem can be corrected. I really hope that the vet can see him soon. Please let us know how he is progressing and what the vet says. Keeping you both in my prayers.
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#879 - 10/24/02 09:36 PM Re: Sick Glider? [Re: ]
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Loc: Edwardsville, Kansas 66113
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#880 - 10/24/02 09:42 PM Re: Sick Glider? [Re: ]
Anonymous
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Poor baby! <img border="0" title="" alt="[Frown]" src="images/icons/frown.gif" />

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#881 - 10/25/02 11:55 PM Re: Sick Glider? [Re: ]
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Registered: 12/12/01
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Loc: Summerville, SC
Glider Freak,

How is Spike doing? Keep us updated on his progress. We have been worried about this little guy.
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#882 - 10/28/02 08:58 PM Re: Sick Glider? [Re: ]
Anonymous
Unregistered


Hey guys. Things aren't going so great. I can't find any vet that sees sugar gliders in my area. My co-worker's wife asked her vet, and he doesn't see gliders, nor knows anyone who does. I haven't seen Spike mutilating himself in a few days, but he hasn't been awake much either. When I got home Friday he seemed so much better. His penis had retracted quite a bit. I put some Vasoline on it a few times, but apperently it was tasty, because when I got up Saturday, I didn't see his penis, but his whole rear end was bloody. I'm so sad, and at a loss for what to do. I absolutley hate to see him suffer. Even thinking about it brings tears to my eyes. He is still eating and going to the bathroom, so I guess that's a good sign. What do I do, guys? I don't have children and consider him my baby, and I can't stand being helpless. Help?!

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#883 - 10/28/02 10:05 PM Re: Sick Glider? [Re: ]
KarenE Offline
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Registered: 03/25/00
Posts: 41295
Loc: LittleRock, AR USA
Well, it is apparent this little one needs some expert help and quickly.

At the bottom of each Forum are different links and there is one specifically FOR vets.

Please try to find a vet who will at the very least sign on and perhaps get help from another knowledgeable vet from the vets Link.

I'm afraid that the life of your little one could depend on it.
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#884 - 10/28/02 11:00 PM Re: Sick Glider? [Re: ]
BeetleJuice Offline
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Registered: 12/12/01
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Loc: Summerville, SC
Glider Freak,

At this juncture, any vet would be able to help, even one that does not have Glider experience. Here is a link to the glider knowledgable vets in Ohio Ohio Vets . The first one listed is in Columbus. I really hope that you are able to get this little guy to a vet. If you have a vet that is closer, he can sign uo to our Vets mailing list and get help from Glider knowledgable vets from around the country. Let us know what the vet says.
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#885 - 10/28/02 11:19 PM Re: Sick Glider? [Re: ]
Anonymous
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Gliderfreak,
As Beetlejuice already said at this point any vet will do, they can call a more experienced vet for advice. Sometimes members have found that a willingness to learn and be open to being taught by the owner is as important as being an exotic vet already trained. Call a vet and just find one willing to see him, tell him you can get him in touch with another vet that can help him thru the treatment. I hope this little one makes it to the vet and is a simple problem that simple treatment cures! Please keep us updated!
Chey

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#886 - 10/29/02 02:24 AM Re: Sick Glider? [Re: ]
Judie Offline
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Registered: 10/25/01
Posts: 9173
Loc: Edwardsville, Kansas 66113
This glider is in serious trouble and without vet care he is going to die. With his back end being bloody I would say he is chewing something as he is in extreme pain.

He has now been suffering for six days going on seven. I find it unbeleivable that knothing has been done. Taking on a pet of any kind....means one is responsible for the care as well as the animals health and when sick seek medical attention. If no vet is willing....I would call every vet in the phone book. At this point it does not matter wither or not the vet has experience or not. There are links on this site to more experienced vets who are willing to work with vets with less experience....over the phone. One just copies them and takes the phone numbers with them and gives them to the vet.

If the other party refuses to let you seek medical help....then have the animal put to sleep to at least put it out of it's misery. The cost is less than $35. At least this way....he is not suffering the terrible pain he is in now. This may be the last but greatest gift you could give your glider under the circumstances.

There are many things that may cause a male glider to have a penis that will not retract. From my knowledge....causes are....UTI's, parasitic infections and bacterial infections, to impactions.....all of which can be treated if not left too late.

My feeling now...about this poor glider...is it does not have a prayer left. I hope I am wrong. <img border="0" title="" alt="[Frown]" src="images/icons/frown.gif" />

<small>[ 10-29-2002, 03:48 AM: Message edited by: Judie ]</small>
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#887 - 10/29/02 07:40 PM Re: Sick Glider? [Re: ]
Anonymous
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Well, another update! <img border="0" title="" alt="[Big Grin]" src="images/icons/grin.gif" />
Spike is doing 100% better. His penis has completely retracted, his botton is all clear, and he is not chasing it anymore. He is still eating and drinking plenty, and we spent 4 hours together early this morning. He was out and about running and jumping all over the place, soooo full of energy!
This is not to say he is completely healed. He does have an appointment at the vet tomorrow. I had already checked the vets listed here and although the first one says Columbus, it is incorrect. It is actually in Delaware, which is about 50 miles away, but I'm going anyway. I appreciate (almost) everyones support and am very thankful I found this web-site.

If you are going to give me negative feedback, I prefer you leave none at all. I got on this forum for help, not critisism. I resent the remark that I have done nothing for my baby. I have called every vet clinics I could (all of which refused to see him, except one) and taken care of him per a friend's (who works for a vet and got the info from him. Although he refused to see Spike, at least he helped)) recommedations. I also resent the statement that there is no prayers left for him. There is always a prayer left, as long as you have faith. <img border="0" alt="angel" title="" src="graemlins/frostyangel.gif" />

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#888 - 10/29/02 09:07 PM Re: Sick Glider? [Re: ]
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Registered: 12/12/01
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Loc: Summerville, SC
Amanda,

All of us are here to help each other in any way we can. All responses are given whole-heartedly out of concern for Spike. I hope that you are able to recognize that all of the responses were given with the gliders best interest at heart and that there was no malice intended. On a board such as this, we are not able to see the extent of the injury or illness, in so we must base all of our advice on the information provided by those in need of help. The description you provided painted a grim portrait of Spike's condition and we were and continue to be concerned with his well being. In the past, Gliders who exhibited behavior and injuries similar to those described by you about Spike were in desperate need of medical attention. Once Gliders start self-mutilating, the recovery is a long hard road and often times the risk of continued mutilation has to be dealt with for the remainder of the gliders days. Most glider injuries/illnesses cannot be &#8220;self treated&#8221;, they hide problems so well that often by the time that we see them, we have very little time to act. I think that all of the responses have been geared towards getting Spike some treatment, maybe some of us were a bit assertive in our attempts, but it was only because we are so concerned with Spike&#8217;s condition and our familiarity with the results of similar conditions. We all only want what is best for you and your glider.

I'm glad to here that Spike is doing better. Please keep us up to date on his progress and let us know what the vet says. We really are worried about this little guy.
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#889 - 10/29/02 09:24 PM Re: Sick Glider? [Re: ]
Anonymous
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I'm really glad to hear Spike is doing better. Everything Beetlejuice said is true. <img border="0" title="" alt="[Smile]" src="images/icons/smile.gif" /> We really do have your glider's best interests at heart, same as you, and it's hard to communicate over the internet when you can't hear in the tone of voice how much the other person cares. If you have time, this website helps owners with self mutilating gliders and shares some of the successes and failures. It may help you realize what Spike is going through as well as why this kind of health problem is of such concern to the glider community.

Please let us know how Spike is doing and what the vet says!

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#890 - 10/29/02 09:38 PM Re: Sick Glider? [Re: ]
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Thank Goodness for Miracles. This is one time I am happy to be wrong. <img border="0" alt="angel" title="" src="graemlins/frostyangel.gif" />

<small>[ 10-29-2002, 10:44 PM: Message edited by: Judie ]</small>
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