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#92881 - 04/04/06 09:57 PM Signs of HLP... I think! Need suggestions...
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back legs aren't moving much... belly is bloated... both signs I read about at ISGA.

Called a vet- no one is in who specializes in gliders (that's tomorrow) but will see them if I want to give it a go.

Bourbon- if you are around, this is Mere's friend from Florida.

Anything I can do tonight?? This is a female, maybe 2-5 years old (not sure which one it is at the moment). Been eating yogurt, wheat germ, high calcium, protein, etc.

Ideas?

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#92882 - 04/04/06 10:08 PM Re: Signs of HLP... I think! Need suggestions... [Re: ]
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Im so sorry, I cant help as I have no experience but I did put out a call for help.
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#92883 - 04/04/06 10:09 PM Re: Signs of HLP... I think! Need suggestions... [Re: ]
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I'm sorry you and your little one are going through this.

HERE is a post on HLP by CharlieH.

If you can get her in tonight for an X-ray it would help determin if it is HLP... any vet should be able to do this and possibility get some calcium in her if needed.

Have you tested her for dehydration (the pinch the skin behing the neck test)???

If I was you I go to the emergency vet tonight... the bloated tummt doesn't sound good either. Sorry I couldn't be of more help. <img src="/ubbthreads/images/graemlins/hug2.gif" alt="" />

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#92884 - 04/04/06 10:17 PM Re: Signs of HLP... I think! Need suggestions... [Re: ]
Xfilefan Offline
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Registered: 02/22/03
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Loc: Jacksonville, FL
The back legs is consistent with HLP....the Bloating, however, is not. I would be concerned about a blockage or partial blockage in the intestinal tract (or possiblya parasite or malnutrition. With the bloating, I wouldn't wait until tomorrow if you can find a nighttime vet willing to take an Xray and manipulate the belly. If it is a blockage, he could go downhill very quickly (meaning in a matter of hours). I understand you may have no choice, however. I would go with fruit juice, water, nectars, fruit for tonight-nothing that could aggravate a possible blockage. Fiber (such as wheat germ) would not be a good idea if a blockage is in progress. When they bloat that is a sign something is SERIOUSLY wrong. Also push fluids...make sure he stays hydrated. IF a blockage, or partial blockage, is in the works, he may also start to vomit as things can't go thru...in that case time becomes critical.

When you do get into the vet, have urinalysis, fecal float/smear, and Xray done (vet should use isofluorin to briefly put the glider under for the Xray-it's safest for gliders). If symptoms worsen at all...ANY vet is preferable, and take this list so they know what to do. These are tests any vet can run if they are willing.

Also, if you could provide his complete diet (everything) that could help us determine if a food might be the culprit.

Keep us updated on the little one! <img src="/ubbthreads/images/graemlins/worried2.gif" alt="" />


Edited by Xfilefan (04/04/06 10:18 PM)
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#92885 - 04/04/06 10:25 PM Re: Signs of HLP... I think! Need suggestions... [Re: ]
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Thanks Lorna and Peggy! I found "Gizmo's story" on ISGA, and did some of the things it suggests. I found out that it is the littlest one, Venus. She's about 2 years old, a twin, and appears to be the runt of the two... never really did well overall. She's always been slower, eats well, but moves slow. The other two gliders always seemed to buddy up without her (one of them is her twin).

Anyhow, so it appears to be her who is struggling. I moved her into a seperate small cage, and took everything out of it but a pouch (which is laying down to prevent her from climbing).

She appears to have very soft poops- close to diarreah, but not runny. She's drinking water, and baby formula (more calcium that phos, lots of vitamins- I've been feeding it for years)... but I will check for dehydration.

When she is standing still, her back legs are spread eagle and appear sunking in. She is still moving them... grabs my finger with her feet, and uses them to push herself around... but you can tell its a struggle.

I'm going to go tonight to get some cottage cheese and more yogurt. Poss. some baby food chicken (no onion, of course) for protein.

Ugh. I think the most stressful part is imagining that she is suffering. *sigh* It is a slight relief that it is the glider who has always struggled... and not one of the stronger ones. OF COURSE, it hurts either way... I was just so worried that I really messed up somewhere. Does that make sense?

I am seriously waiting for someone to come in here and bash me for being a bad glider-mom. I do appreciate you both being so kind!!

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#92886 - 04/04/06 10:33 PM Re: Signs of HLP... I think! Need suggestions... [Re: ]
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</font><blockquote><font class="small">Quote:</font><hr />
I am seriously waiting for someone to come in here and bash me for being a bad glider-mom

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No one here will ever do that to you... just by signing on at GC and asking how to help your baby shows that you are a loving glider mom. <img src="/ubbthreads/images/graemlins/hug2.gif" alt="" />

But, please read Jen's post she is very experienced and knows what she's talking about. For now just try concentrate on getting her to the emergency vet and fill us in on your diet plan when she is taken care of. You will be in for a long night but medical help right now is URGENT. Please let us know what's going on as soon as you can. Everyone her will be worried for you guys. Hugs and prayers for you both. <img src="/ubbthreads/images/graemlins/hug2.gif" alt="" />

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#92887 - 04/04/06 10:33 PM Re: Signs of HLP... I think! Need suggestions... [Re: ]
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Ah, thanks Jen! Here's the best I can recall... complete diet... argh, I cringe at this question b/c I usually get flamed. Oh well... truth be told. I feed 75% fruits and 25% protein.

fruits, veggies (brocolli, honeydew, cantalope, strawberries, grapes- no seeds, carrots, cabbage, spinach, green beans, very little watermelon every other week, apples)

baby formula- high vitamin, more cal than phos. SOY formula.

Gerber baby cereal, mixed variety- high vitamin, equal cal to phos. Sometimes I mix in either the baby formula, or wheat germ... or I'll use 100% apple or grape juice to mix.

occasional baby food like mango, apricots, peaches, applesauce, cherry/apple, plum, and brocolli/chicken

baby food diced chicken, and diced turkey (no onion powder)

scrambled eggs (although, not recently... hmmm), cottage cheese (small amounts, 5-7 days a month), yogurt

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#92888 - 04/04/06 10:36 PM Re: Signs of HLP... I think! Need suggestions... [Re: ]
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I can guarentee you that nobody will come in here and bash you. It is obvious you love this glider and you are doing all you can for her. Sometimes, as badly as we search and try to get a vet, it just cant be done. It has happened a couple of times here, and with good outcomes, so stay positive. Please do listen to what XFile had to say though because she is very educated in this area unfortunately, having to live with gliders that are SMer's. Do the best you can do and just give that baby lots of lovin to let her know she is going to be ok. Know that we are here for you, and trust me, Jen and Bourbon will both be there to help you out on here and on the phone. <img src="/ubbthreads/images/graemlins/thumb.gif" alt="" />
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#92889 - 04/04/06 10:36 PM Re: Signs of HLP... I think! Need suggestions... [Re: ]
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ISGA mentioned a bloated belly in Gizmo's story... so I assumed this was a symptom of HLP. They said gas, specifically. I'm not positive about the bloat... she just seemed more "belly" than usual (one of the reasons I thought she wasn't the smallest glider to begin with).

I haven't put the wheat germ in the cereal tonight, so I will leave it out so as not to encourage any further tummy troubles.

I'll let you guys know how it goes tonight.

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#92890 - 04/04/06 10:53 PM Re: Signs of HLP... I think! Need suggestions... [Re: ]
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K..here is what I would eliminate (permanently, as they are gas producing, hence causing possible bloat): broccoli (tiny, tiny piece as an occasional treat), cabbage (not at all), chicken/broccoli babyfood (never-it has salt and spices, neither of which our babies should have)

Occasionally: spinach (extremely high in iron, which can cause overdose)

For now: eliminate the meats (diced chicken/turkey), baby cereal, and wheat germ, as well, which are harder to digest, move slower through the digestive system, and could compound the problem.

Instead of broccoli/cabbage, try fresh snow peas or sugar snap peas.
Instead of the broccoli/chicken, the green colored garden veggies, and plain babyfood meat (you can mix it together).

Other than that, just make sure we know what the vet finds. <img src="/ubbthreads/images/graemlins/hug2.gif" alt="" />
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#92891 - 04/05/06 12:04 AM Re: Signs of HLP... I think! Need suggestions... [Re: ]
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I sent you a pm with my number in it, please call me.. the glider needs to go to a vet, I wouldn't think this is HLP, the bloating of the stomach is something that is generally asociated with GAS as was specified, and of mal nutrition. HLP is only a symptom, and sadly, The info out there on hlp is rather incomplete.

other than the calcium def.. HLP symptoms can be caused by many things, as well as injury, by the way which is also possible, if she has internal injuries that could also explain the bloating of the stomach. Injury to the spine, or legs.. now with that being said bacterial infections also can cause both bloating and hlp type symptoms. when the system is down, the nutrients are sucked up and not processed properly, and yes that means the calcium may be low as well.. but not because there isn't enough, but because the bacteria is redirecting it.. per sae.. It is not uncommon for a glider who has a bacterial infection, to also have a depletion of the nutrients, even on the better diets.

Giardia, I have found out recently can cause all kinds of different symptoms, ranging from the most common diarrhea, to vomiting and bloating as well. moving into total system shut down.

HLP happens over time, it is a gradual loss that is noticed over a period of months, if this is something that is sudden, then there is another reason for it. Treating just the symptoms will not cure the problem. This is something that is KEY to remember, it helps a lot when talking to the vet.. the time element is imparative as to the difference between being diet related and other illnesses or injuries.
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#92892 - 04/05/06 01:23 AM Re: Signs of HLP... I think! Need suggestions... [Re: ]
Judie Offline
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vet care is needed ASAP. sounds like a bacterial issue from stress or possibly parasitic with HPP symptoms being secondary issue. Glider needs to be on meds perscribed by a vet. Rehydrated for possible dehydration.
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#92893 - 04/05/06 06:49 AM Re: Signs of HLP... I think! Need suggestions... [Re: ]
sugarglidersuz Offline
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[:"green"]Update, please? Were you able to get this little one to a vet? Please let us know what is happening... My prayers & thoughts are with you...
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#92894 - 04/05/06 07:00 AM Re: Signs of HLP... I think! Need suggestions... [Re: ]
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Good Morning everyone- thanks for the info! vet was not possible last night. There is one local, with a sugar glider "specialist" (my word) that opens in an hour.

WIll let you know.

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#92895 - 04/05/06 07:03 AM Re: Signs of HLP... I think! Need suggestions... [Re: ]
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Great.. you get to see someone soon. I'll keep checking in here to see how you both are doing.

Good luck!

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#92896 - 04/05/06 07:36 AM Re: Signs of HLP... I think! Need suggestions... [Re: ]
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I just worry about her, you know? You guys understand, I am SURE! She's so little (gliders are, in general) and it's not like she can just call me over and say, "hey mom, I'm not feeling so hot today." I'm wondering how the rehydrate a little thing like Venus, should she need it!

I'm worried that the drive over to the vet will be stressful... given that the three I have (especially her) get love and petting, but mainly stay in their cage community.

I'm worried that I will have to say goodbye to her. I'm one of those "sensitive" people who cry at little old ladies struggling to walk across the street... and I still bring flowers to a grave site of a dog that I saw hit by a car last year (no, it wasn't me).

Anyhow. Guess it's best I get ready for my morning-- emotionally and physically.

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I wish I could remember my old login here! I'm not a "new member"... just a quiet one. I've been coming here for at least 4 years now! <img src="/ubbthreads/images/graemlins/smile.gif" alt="" />

I got Macy in June of 2000... so she'll be 6 this year. She's very healthy, strong... lots of muscle! She was my only glider for 4 years- so we truly bonded. Unfortunately, my schedule got in the way, and she became lonely and started to over groom.

A friend, Mere (don't know how you guys know her-- Glidin4Love), had recently rescued a set of twin girls... and suggested I form a little community. Macy needed someone full time- and the girls needed love. That was mid-2004. I think they were about 9 months when I got them... so that makes them 2 years now.

Macy quickly bonded to them- and I haven't been able to hold her the same since then. It's ok by me, however... she seems so happy! She's really taken to Venus' sister, Athena. Macy and Athena are best friend 4-ever, it seems... always running, playing, jumping together. I've often worried about them ignoring Venus a little... but figured such was the life of a glider!

Anyhow, so that's my colony... 3 beautiful babies!

GliderCentral is awesome-- thanks guys for being here!

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#92897 - 04/05/06 07:40 AM Re: Signs of HLP... I think! Need suggestions... [Re: ]
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[:"green"]I'm glad to hear that you'll be able to get her into a vet soon... Thanks for the update.
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#92898 - 04/05/06 04:16 PM Re: Signs of HLP... I think! Need suggestions... [Re: ]
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Loc: Jacksonville, FL
A vet will rehydrate a glider with sub-q fluids (fluid injected just under the skin, where the glider's system will absorb it). Hoping to hear an update as to how it went.
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#92899 - 04/05/06 09:18 PM Re: Signs of HLP... I think! Need suggestions... [Re: ]
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Yes, Jen! that is exctly what they did. Also did an X-ray and an enema. Turns out it was tummy troubles... Dr is still not sure if we saved the day- but the fluids and enema may do the trick. Her belly is a big "balloon", he didn't feel any mass in her intestines. Her tummy was quite bloated and filled with air. Her intestines looked like a jumbled mess-- but as he said, unless it's bone or metal... it just shows up as white on the x-ray. Good news, he doesn't think its HLP... just maybe her back legs are weak (especially from supporting the giant tummy).

She weighs 68 grams (I'm trying to remember from earlier- I think this is right, but will confirm once I see the paperwork again).

They are having me give her antibiotics. .01 ml of Reglan twice a day for 5 days, and .03 ml of Sulfatrim twice a day for 10 days.

I took a photo of the x-ray with my cell phone... hopefully it is clear enough (and quite large). On the right side of the photo you can see a black circle in her belly. That is her stomach (and it is on HER left). To the left of that is her intestines. Not as clear as it was on the x-ray... but just as good. It looked like a jumble to us. Her legs and spine look good- as do her ribs.

http://www.nauticalnames.com/mikeandsteph/images/venus_040506.jpg

It's been about 10 hours since we saw the vet, and she seems much more animated. I am not getting my hopes up too high... her belly is still large, but the sub-q fluids are mostly absorbed. She's been chewing orange pieces, and teeny teeny (as big as these letters) pieces of apple. Absolutely thrilled when I give her a grape. Tonight's diet is that stuff (cut tiny) as well as yogurt and some cottage cheese. Soft stuff.

She tries to grab at the food with her front legs, but they aren't moving like she wants them too... I'm hoping that's because her belly is so extended... she's trying, but not able to raise her arm and feed herself. Although, that hasn't stopped her from going nose down in the dish and making it work anyhow!

The Dr wants us to call them in the morning... and they may call for more sub-q fluids and another enema. If she is better in the morning (not fixed completely, just better than she was today) then we will rest easier. If not, then we will try fludis and such again (for sure) and monitor her condition from there.

Here's hoping for a good night!!

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#92900 - 04/05/06 09:25 PM Re: Signs of HLP... I think! Need suggestions... [Re: ]
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oh by the way- I didn't see an influx of diarreah or anything after the enema. I have seen a lot more "sludge"... and strangely, I saw a small - pea sized- dry lump in the cage (the rest was in her pouch). I am not sure if that is something she passed?! That may have been a culprit... but as I said, belly is still larger than normal, however she appears to be moving faster and more often.

Dr did say that if there was a blockage, the enema probably wouldn't help. But it would soften her up if it was constipation. At first he didn't think it was... but after the x-ray, he said he "added it back on his list" of maybes.

Right now, her pouch is very stinky! She's been going potty in it all night/day. I don't have anything to move her into at the moment... but if she keeps getting better, then I will do a quick switcheroo tomorrow.

Again, not trying to get my hopes up too high. I know that these things are so serious with little gliders. I may still lose her... but at least I know I am trying to help her.

Doc said she was suffering... but it wasn't terminal at this point. I mean, in regards to how we had a chance to turn it all around should the fluids, enema, and antibiotics help. He told me not to give up yet... all I can do is trust him at this point. He seemed knowledgeable and very kind to me, and Venus!

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#92901 - 04/05/06 09:50 PM Re: Signs of HLP... I think! Need suggestions... [Re: ]
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sounds like things may be looking up for you, however, I must add one thing. If she is going in her pouch, it is not advisable to leave her in a dirty pouch. I know you said you dont have anything else to put her in until tomorrow, but I would try to find something otherwise you may wind up with another kind of illness you will have to fight with her and you dont want that. Or she could possibly get ecoli as well, and that can be fatal. Just thought I would throw that word of caution out there to ya.
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#92902 - 04/05/06 09:51 PM Re: Signs of HLP... I think! Need suggestions... [Re: ]
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Ooo. Good point, Peggy. I will look for another pouch... I must have something!

I'm probably going to need some advice on "bathing" her... maybe a sponge bath? She has some matted fur around her, well... where all this mess is coming from. Plus, since she's been feeling icky... her tail got into dinner last night and she hasn't done much grooming!


Edited by Honeydew2 (04/05/06 09:53 PM)

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#92903 - 04/06/06 12:45 AM Re: Signs of HLP... I think! Need suggestions... [Re: ]
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i would take a warm wash cloth and just rub her down then keep her warm so she dont get pnumonia put her in your shirt so she stays very warm. after you rub her with a warm wash cloth dry her with another cloth or towel then keep her in your shirt for at least an hour. i dont advise bathing a glider. also i would give her the BML diet as she needs whats in there now ever. or give her vanilla ensure the regular kind they all love it and i would put a pinch of calcium in the bottle and shake it up. dont get the high calcium ensure the sodium is too high in it. i would have the vet run a fecal float to ck for possible parasites. then youd need different meds. sometimes it takes a couple of fecal floats done to find the parasites this is what might be causing the bloat. it would be worth a try insist on it. you can also have the vet do a fecal culture too.

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#92904 - 04/06/06 06:02 AM Re: Signs of HLP... I think! Need suggestions... [Re: ]
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[:"green"]Thanks for the updates...
A warm, damp washcloth would do the trick for cleaning her off. Or you can use Cottonelle Fresh Wipes (I use them when needed & they work quite well). Make sure you dry her off afterwards & then keep her someplace warm for an hour or so. Definitely keep her nesting pouch clean & dry so she doesn't get sick from that, too. Still praying for little Venus...
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#92905 - 04/06/06 07:51 AM Re: Signs of HLP... I think! Need suggestions... [Re: ]
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thanks again ladies for the information!

She appears better this morning-- moving around a lot more and trying to climb the sides of the cage. I wish she wouldn't, but... i've confined her as much as I can in her travel cage (taken out all toys, wheel, etc).

Anyhow, so she seems in better spirits... however, her tummy is still very bloated and tight. Also, I don't see any more poops in there (after what I told you I saw last night). There was some urine, so I know that is freely flowing. I did quickly sew her a pouch last night- but I don't think she enjoyed it as much as the last one. Now, she is in a large pillow case which has been folded and molded to the little cage.

She does appear to be eating... I gave her some mandarin oranges this morning, and some more blueberry yogurt. Her water dish has high edges and I don't think she is able to reach it comfortbly. I am looking for a better substitute (the water bottle I have leaks profusely). In the meantime, I have been bringing her to the water (or vice versa) and she takes a few laps before wanting to move on.

vet opens in 10 minutes- unfortunately, I must make an appearence at my job (otherwise I may not be able to afford all this!). I'm going to bring her with me to work (we will see how that goes over) and call the vet from there. I work about an hour from home, and 30 minutes from the vet... so I will do what I can to get her back there for more fluids today... maybe they will see me around lunch.

PS: syringe medicine has been going smoothly. a dose last night, and another this morning.

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#92906 - 04/06/06 03:08 PM Re: Signs of HLP... I think! Need suggestions... [Re: ]
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we're about to go to the vet again... she hasn't gone to the bathroom at all today-- so I am worried. Her spirits are still up, however. I have her at work with me... i've peeled some grapes and given her some mandarin orange. I figure its a little hydration, at the least.

She's breathing heavy and has taken herself out of the pouch. I had to stop her numerous times from climbing the cage sides... and once, when I wasn't watching, it appears she fell (or landed, climbed) into the yogurt dish... at which point I wiped her down with a wet paper towel... but its still dried a bit crunchy.

My poor girl! I hope the vet keeps making it a little better for her. I also hope that it is not very expensive today.

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#92907 - 04/06/06 03:13 PM Re: Signs of HLP... I think! Need suggestions... [Re: ]
sugarglidersuz Offline
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Registered: 08/28/04
Posts: 14788
Loc: Cleveland, Ohio
[:"green"]Thanks for the continued updates. Still praying for her!
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#92908 - 04/06/06 09:53 PM Re: Signs of HLP... I think! Need suggestions... [Re: ]
Xfilefan Offline
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Posts: 8899
Loc: Jacksonville, FL
Hoping for an update..I don't like the sound of her breathing as you described. Praying for the little one.
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#92909 - 04/06/06 10:03 PM Re: Signs of HLP... I think! Need suggestions... [Re: ]
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I wanted to add...that black area has me concerned (the one on her left). I have an Xray of Riker's...he had an infection in his head, previously, and this was a follow up Xray post meds-but his abdomen/lungs were normal. In comparing his to hers, something definitely doesn't look right, but I'm not a vet, and couldn't say what. I hope she's okay.


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#92910 - 04/06/06 11:05 PM Re: Signs of HLP... I think! Need suggestions... [Re: ]
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The vet said that black area was her stomach, and it was filled with air. He said it is not normally like that... so he was also concerned (and wondering what was going on in there).

She still has not had another poop... and its been about 6 hours since the last visit to the Dr and another enema. They gave her more sub-q fluids.

The same woman who did the fluids yesterday, did her again today. She told me that yesterday Venus let her do whatever to her... but today, there was fight. Venus crabbed and didn't want to be poked around. The Dr said this was a good sign that she was getting around to feeling a little better.

We are going in AGAIN, tomorrow morning at 8 am (right when they open). More fluids and another... ANOTHER enema. They are concerned about her not going to the bathroom, and have told me they want to keep this up until she does.

POOR GIRL. I will say, however, that she is still out and about and wandering her cage. I have found her a few times sleeping on her back, or hiding in a corner (almost like she was walking around and got tired so she just fell asleep where she was.

She still isn't using her front hands as much as I would like (ie: not grabbing at the food, although she tries... and trying to balance on/over the food dish, but slipping and falling into it instead). Her back legs are moving quite a bit, but not as "normal". Her belly is still an issue... hard to say if it is getting any smaller... Dr says it won't until she goes to the bathroom.

The longer we go- the more I am afraid it is a blockage of somesort. They've already told me that surgery will be major and there's no telling how well that will work. The concensus is that if the fluids, et al, are making her feel better... then lets continue with that.

Tonight, she chowed down on some applesauce and yogurt. She really went to town on the applesauce... which I believe is a good sign. The Dr. asked me today if was force feeding her- and I was happy to report that I didn't have to!

I'd love to give her something a teeny tiny bit more solid to see if that will make her go to the bathroom... but I know if there IS a blockage in there, then that will only make it worse.

I keep giving these updates in case you all (and myself) can learn from the experience. If anything happens to Venus.... and even if it doesn't... I figure its best to put it down here as I get the info, so it is more accurate.

I wish we knew what was causing this.

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