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#92942 - 04/05/06 03:08 AM Repricussions of Severe Dehydration
Bourbon Offline
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Registered: 04/01/99
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Loc: Bee-Bopping round SnakePit USA
regarding post I made awhile back
A Lifetime of Memories

Please read the story so you understand how severe this was, I almost lost Baybe in the process and I did lose Smokey.

The repricussions that Baybe and I have to live with is constant memories of my neglect. I feel it is very important that people understand, that once something like this happens, it may not be fully reversed.

After the incident, Baybe remained severly dehydrated and has almost a constant sneeze, there are times when she is like she has alzshiemers <sp> where she doesn't know who I am or where she is. (this could also be attributed to her old age)

After several months of sub-q every other day (under vet care), I couldn't do it any more, Baybe got to the point where she would cringe and try to hide between my legs when I would give her an injection. I decided then, I couldn't do it any more.The vet suggested I switch over to the gatorade to help her body retain fluids, she can not retain them well at all, although she still seems fine at times, and looks great, you still could have given her the neck test and her skin remain up. it was very difficult for her to retain her fluids at all, I was always trying to make sure that her temps were normal, as when a glider gets dehydrated, their body temps also drop.

I still couldn't get them up high enough for me to feel alright about it. Those that seen her at the SGGA last year, was shocked and surprised at her very frail condition. I really didn't think she would live much longer. I wanted her a chance to be with the people whose lives she had deeply touched.

After the SGGA, I spoke with the vet again, to see if there was anything else we could have done, he told me that they came out with a high endurance gatorade, that I may want to give it a try, it did have extra vit K in it, which would have normally been a concern, but for me it was worth a shot.

Baybe has been on it now since Oct. instead of water in her cage, I keep the high endurance gatorade, and she still is dehydrated, but her skin does go down a bit faster now. I had her at the fl. gathering in holiday and she looked very normal, but I also pointed out that she was still dehydrated, and will always remain that way. she does still look awsome, and to the naked eye, doesn't look ill or sickly.

Her sneezing we thought was a sinus infection and after a round of anti-biotics with no improvements we decided to treat for allergies, after a month on allergy meds, which helped her sleep, the sneezing still continued. At this time, the best we can figure is that with the dehydration that it dried up and possible left behind a feeling in her sinuses that something is there. Therefore, she feels she must sneeze to remove it.

Baybe is old, that is no secret, but she is a fighter, she is as strong as any old woman could be, she still eats, drinks, and plays in her cage very normally, to look at her you couldn't tell that anything was wrong with the exception of her sneezing. instead of 100 grams, she is down to 94, but that is okay. I feel in my heart she will make it to another SGGA, and hopefully a few more to come.

Gliders that have been severly affected by any illness, may seem okay, but their systems are compromised, and they may be compromised for a very, very long time. we may be able to save them, but we must always understand that they may never be "normal" to others standards again. Their lives may be shortened. but we have to hold it in our hearts that we did the best we could to reverse things, give them a great life for the time they have left, and always, always savor that time.
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#92943 - 04/05/06 06:13 AM Re: Repricussions of Severe Dehydration [Re: ]
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It saddened me to read your story. I have regrets from the times when the demands of work took precedence over something that was more important in my heart. It was an honor to meet you and Baybe at the FL gathering. I hope you both share many more good moments together. Thank you for the reminder that it's the little things in life that we should treasure.
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#92944 - 04/05/06 06:20 AM Re: Repricussions of Severe Dehydration [Re: ]
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[:"green"]Bourbon,
Thank you for sharing this deeply moving story about Baybe. Your obvious love & care for this glider is incredible! I will keep Baybe in my prayers...
I never realized that dehydration could become a long-term illness...
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#92945 - 04/05/06 06:28 AM Re: Repricussions of Severe Dehydration [Re: ]
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I am so sorry to hear about Smokey and I am so glad Baybe is still such a fighter. This story brought tears to my eyes and made me understand the importance of checking on the babies often even if I think everything is okay. Thank you for sharing such a heartfelt story with the rest of us and many prayers being sent Baybe's way in hopes that she continues to be a fighter and stays around a whole lot longer <img src="/ubbthreads/images/graemlins/smile.gif" alt="" />

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#92946 - 04/05/06 06:34 AM Re: Repricussions of Severe Dehydration [Re: ]
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<img src="/ubbthreads/images/graemlins/hug2.gif" alt="" /> <img src="/ubbthreads/images/graemlins/hug2.gif" alt="" /> <img src="/ubbthreads/images/graemlins/hug2.gif" alt="" />
I had the pleasure of meeting Smokey at the 2004 SGGA, and I got to see and love on Baybe at the last SGGA. I have never forgoten him or Baybe either, and I never will. I know that words just can't make it better for you or for her either, but I know that I hold a special place in my heart for both of them and you to. Because I get in the ill gliders at times, this is something that I have learned also, and I cherish every day with a glider here for no matter how long they have. Don't let go of your memories, hold them close. I pray you have many, many more years with Baybe, she loves you so much and I know you love her just as much back.
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#92947 - 04/05/06 11:05 PM Re: Repricussions of Severe Dehydration [Re: ]
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Registered: 10/30/03
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Loc: St. Johns, Florida
I believe that Baybe has a very special special place in many of our lives. This glider is absolutely amazing. The first time I got to meet both her and Smokey were at the SGGA 2004. It was there that Baybe and Smokeys last joey (Babbax) chose me to be his mommy! He was three weeks oop then and I had to go to florida to pick him up. We had a wonderful roundup at Meres house where I picked up my Babbax and held Baybe for quite some time. We were all sitting outside at one point and I had Baybe out there with us, she was checking out some oranges on the table, it was then that Bourbon called her name, you would think that glider was part dog! Doesnt matter where Baybe was or who she was with, if she heard Bourbons name she went looking for momma.

It is very sad to know that she is getting older and does have some after effects but one thing for sure, she is getting plenty of love, that is without a doubt in my mind.

Thanks B for sharing this. I know it couldnt be easy to rehash such sad memories.
(attached is a picture of My Babbax. A very special glider to me.)


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#92948 - 06/18/06 03:40 PM Re: Repricussions of Severe Dehydration [Re: ]
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Registered: 04/01/99
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Loc: Bee-Bopping round SnakePit USA
updated pic of Baybe taken June 17th, 2006
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#92949 - 06/18/06 10:44 PM Re: Repricussions of Severe Dehydration [Re: ]
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OMG! She is Beautiful!! Such a sweet lovely face! She looks like a Southern Belle of Gliders! How old is she? She looks SO Young!!
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#92950 - 06/18/06 11:53 PM Re: Repricussions of Severe Dehydration [Re: ]
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She is a sweetheart-beautiful little girll! Baybe is over 10 years old now, if I'm not mistaken. <img src="/ubbthreads/images/graemlins/smile.gif" alt="" />
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#197949 - 01/09/07 01:54 PM Re: Repricussions of Severe Dehydration [Re: Xfilefan]
Bourbon Offline
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and she no longer suffers may she rest in peace..
January 9th, 2007

The last few days have been so weird.. Baybe and Baby girl having more tiffs than usual.. Baybe running in her wheel, usually she only walks.. although for a short time, at least it was great to see her feeling stronger. I took her out yesterday, and let her meet the rest of the crew, Jack did well with her as did Angel. I even put Krackles in the play area as well to see how they would all get along.. everyone has been making such great progress with trust building.. there was no screaming or biting or any dominance issues at all. then I brought Baby Girl in, I figured she was just being a putz, she wanted nothing to do with Baybe, or Jack. She didn't attack them but let everyone know that was near her she wanted nothing to do with them.. so my next move was to work with Jack and Angel with Baby Girl, as that is where the main issues were.. well I was thinking tomorrow is another day..
Baybe was up really early for her food, so I took her out and carried her with me on my feeding treks.. she does this with me a lot, and since the grandkids were not here it would be a good time to spend some one on one time with her. We fed all the cages.. she visited with Jack and Angel and that went really well. she had so much energy.. I just couldn't get over it, I thought that maybe it was because of Jack and Angel that she had that extra energy.. as their cage was placed next to hers. I placed her back in her cage as it was the last food bowl and she started to eat.. about 20 minutes later I noticed she is running in her wheel, she was running fast almost like she was trying to get away from something. she hasn't ran in a wheel in many years she is generally very happy walking in it.. I noticed she was running up and down the side of the cage on the side that Jacks cage was.
I was thinking of the times when I would bring rescues in and she would get on their cages, and fuss and fret at each cage.. just as if to be telling them, "this is my house , you are a guest , don't you forget that, I am the top "dog". she would rub her belly on the cage and jump off and go to another doing the same thing.. when she got done she would go back to her cage and never bother them again.. this kind of was a ritual for her.. So I was remembering this as I seen her run up and down on that wall..
for some reason I didn't take any of my pain meds last night, in spite of the fact the grandbabies were not here, I just laid there, watching the cages.. there was something ominous in the air.. something just didn't feel right.. but i just couldn't put my finger on it.. It was strange.. I made a couple late night calls.. to people I haven't spoken to often enough, but to no avail.. after all what was I going to say anyway.. something doesn't feel right? so you try to find a reason to call.. I didn't want to sleep, I didn't want to watch a movie. I wasn't sure exactly what it was that I wanted to do..
I am trying to quit smoking so I went in to get my licorice and try to keep my mind off the cigs.. but i kept watching Baybe's cage.. something wasn't right..
I watched more TV.. and took out jack and angel and Baybe.. Jack and angel just wanted to go back to their cage..
I sat with Baybe, but then she started getting antsy, I figured she needed to go back to the cage..
Baybe girl would not let her in the pouch.. so I took Baybe Girl out and Baybe went in.. as soon as Baby Girl got done eating and playing she came out and pushed Baybe back out the pouch.. So I added another pouch for Baybe to sleep in.. she went back to running up and down on the cage.. and running , really running in her wheel..
I looked over a while later and notice she is on the bottom of the cage.. alive but walking funny..
I thought she may have hurt her legs while running like she was, so I tried to coax her up the cage wall.. as her cage is 7 foot high and the only door is at the top.. I tried so hard to coax her but she would get so far up then seem to be too weak to go any further.. so I took off my shirt and hung it down there.. she grabbed on and I pulled her up..
She was sooooo cold.. and my room was real warm, i tried to warm her up, i checked she was dehydrated, so badly.. i blew on her, I sub q'd her and i wrapped her up, i ran to the heaters and stood in front of it, she was sooooo cold, and nothing was working , nothing was making her warn, i tried to get her to drink, I tried the Gatorade, I tried pedalyte, i tried juices, I tried watering down the bml.. i tried everything i even tried my Mt Dew.. but she wouldn't take anything to drink, she didn't want anything to eat, I tried frantically to give her something, I screamed for Nikki to get me something that i hadn't tried.. she knew it was not good, but we never believed she was this bad.. I refuse to give up, I refuse to believe that I don't have something to save her .. I have everything a vet would have, I have the sub q's I have the meds.. if i could just get her to take the juices. If I could just get her to warm up.. I laid on the bed.. crying and holding her, telling her to lick my tears of love that everything will be okay she kept trying to go for my neck.. I wanted her warm, I placed her under my shirt and under the blankets with no pressure on her.. but to confine the heat, I held open my shirt so I could see her.. and blow warm air on her.. she was sooooo cold.. I had to get her warmed up, I had to get her to take some fluids the sub q wasn't working it only worked for a min.. then Baybe was dehydrated again.. I couldn't give her more I already gave her some.. I was sooooo afraid.. I promised her I wouldn't do it again.. But I did.. I didn't want her to die, I wasn't ready to let her go.. I wanted her to stay with me.. I did everything I could.. I helped her under my shirt and she would come up and grab on to my neck and lay there, snuggling with me.. one arm stretched out the other on her side on my chest as was her feet.. she lay there, I petted her, she felt cold again, so I put her under my shirt again.. she wouldn't stay there she worked back up to my neck.. again I tried to warm her and put her someplace that I knew was warm.. she again walked back up to my neck..
I covered her with my hand, dozing here and there, waking to pet her more and then doze again.. she would move and cuddle deeper.. so I would just continue to pet her.. I woke hadn't slept much about 20 minutes total.. I pet her more and slowly I started to feel her getting hard and stiff..
No this was not happening, this is not the way to die. I am not letting her go I am screaming Nikki is holding me, I want Nikki to make her better I want Nikki to make her drink, I want Nikki to make her warm, she has to get better, she has too. I fight so hard to save the gliders and here i can get Baybe better.. She has to be okay.. she will be I know it, I know that god wouldn't give me something so precious and then take it away.. I don't want to talk to anyone I just want my Baybe back...the gliders are extremely quiet this morning, the house has an ominous feeling in it, a strange emptiness Deja is not wanting to come in, and the kids are not here.. Nikki is being great, she is being the daughter I remember.
She tells me she is happy now, that god has allowed her a chance to run again that he was letting her know it was okay to go with him. that extra energy she had the last couple of days was a choice.. she chose to go, but she waited till she was able to say goodbye to me. she spent the end cuddling with me and letting me know she loved me.. Nikki told me that Baybe was a lot like me.. that we were as one.. That I would fight to save the lives of other peoples gliders, just as Nikki remembers Baybe doing the same thing.. we talked about how Baybe didn't ask anyone any questions , she allowed those around her to love on her, and cuddle with her.. she was a huge part of the glider community..

I would like this thread when it runs it's course.. to be added to the thread of a lifetime of memories. then both locked, so that Baybe and Smokey's lifetime of memories be buried together to go down into the archives together forever..

I take comfort in knowing that Smokey , Baybe and their offspring will all be reunited.. and hope and pray that Tom watches over them as he had watched over me through the years.

Baybe I love you, a piece of myself passed with you today. I will meet with you again to be complete..
watch over me, and be there to help me as I go through my path of life. I believe in Soul jumping, as I believe that a little piece of Baybe's soul will join with each person whose lives were touched by her. and with that.. I bid My Baybe adieu, Sleep My love, Stay warm, run, jump and glide, and remember The island is a reality , see you again sometime.. just give me that sign, you know what it is. It may come in the form of another rescue, or one that I already have. but always remember I will always love you.


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life of memories (smokeys final days) and the cause of the dehydration of Baybe
http://www.glidercentral.net/ubbthreads/...age=8#Post40960


Edited by sugarlope (01/21/08 05:26 PM)
Edit Reason: edited link ~Gretchen
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#457882 - 01/21/08 03:39 PM Re: Repricussions of Severe Dehydration [Re: Bourbon]
Micah
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I just read this thread and I am in tears. God bless Baybe. Bourbon....I know it is really late to be saying this, but I am SO sorry for your loss. My glider just turned 10 so I know what it is to have them by your side for so long. I cannot get to "A Lifetime of Memories" so I don't know what happened to Smoke and Baybe, but by reading your words here I know you are a WONDERFUL glider Mom! Again, I am so sorry.....

Melinda & Micah

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#457963 - 01/21/08 05:27 PM Re: Repricussions of Severe Dehydration [Re: ]
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I edited the last link, so the "life of memories (smokeys final days)" link is working again.


Edited by sugarlope (01/21/08 05:36 PM)
Edit Reason: edited link ~Gretchen
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#457982 - 01/21/08 06:09 PM Re: Repricussions of Severe Dehydration [Re: sugarlope]
Micah
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Thanks Gretchen. Now I am crying again. God Bless Smokey and Baybe.....

Melinda & Micah

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#458410 - 01/22/08 04:41 AM Re: Repricussions of Severe Dehydration [Re: ]
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I finally got to meet Baybe at the '06 SGGA-she was SUCH a doll! And beautiful. mlove Now I'm in tears for her all over again.
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