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#94675 - 04/13/06 08:04 AM Any Ideas on What might be happening Here???
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When I went in the glider room just a minute ago to give Rocky a cricket the right side of his neck is swollen and hard.
I did not notice this last night. He acts fine. Cora
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#94676 - 04/13/06 08:29 AM Re: Any Ideas on What might be happening Here??? [Re: ]
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Hi Cora,

Any kind of swelling or lump should get vet attention as soon as you can. It could be a number of things: bug/spider bite, a bite from another gliders etc.

Gliders have adapted to not showing any signs of stress or illness as a survival tool so just because he might 'seem' fine doesn't mean something more serious is going on.

Please keep us updated on him..

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#94677 - 04/13/06 08:54 AM Re: Any Ideas on What might be happening Here??? [Re: ]
Cora Offline
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My vet does have some openings today................the drive is long. I am going into work to see whats going on, tell them Rockys situation (everyone loves Rocky there at the Nursing Home) and get to the vet this afternoon. My exotic vet is Dr. Reese in Whitehouse, Texas. Rocky is just over 1 year oop and very bonded to me................if anything happens to him..........................The hole in my heart would be large.
.............................................Cora
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#94678 - 04/13/06 09:31 AM Re: Any Ideas on What might be happening Here??? [Re: ]
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Please update us as soon as you have any information. Best wishes & hugs coming your way.
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#94679 - 04/13/06 10:14 AM Re: Any Ideas on What might be happening Here??? [Re: ]
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Oh Cora! Please keep us posted. Sending lots of hugs and prayers your way. I'm sorry you have to go through this. *hugs* <img src="/ubbthreads/images/graemlins/hug2.gif" alt="" /> <img src="/ubbthreads/images/graemlins/hug2.gif" alt="" /> <img src="/ubbthreads/images/graemlins/hug2.gif" alt="" /> <img src="/ubbthreads/images/graemlins/hug2.gif" alt="" />

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#94680 - 04/13/06 11:35 AM Re: Any Ideas on What might be happening Here??? [Re: ]
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Sending my thoughts to you and rocky and hoping everything will be just fine. Please let us know any updates. <img src="/ubbthreads/images/graemlins/hug2.gif" alt="" /> <img src="/ubbthreads/images/graemlins/hug2.gif" alt="" /> <img src="/ubbthreads/images/graemlins/hug2.gif" alt="" />

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#94681 - 04/13/06 12:33 PM Re: Any Ideas on What might be happening Here??? [Re: RSXTC]
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<img src="/ubbthreads/images/graemlins/hug2.gif" alt="" /> Please keep us posted on Rocky...he will be in my thoughts and prayers all day today too!
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#94682 - 04/13/06 05:44 PM Re: Any Ideas on What might be happening Here??? [Re: ]
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I would agree with getting him in asap. Anything visible like that needs attention quickly. As well as a bite, it could also be an abscess or infection pocket in there..your vet might want to try and get a sample of any fluid that might be in there to culture as well, which will help target meds, and possibly relieve some of the pressure, depending on what is causing it. Please update as soon as you can.
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#94683 - 04/13/06 06:48 PM Re: Any Ideas on What might be happening Here??? [Re: ]
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OK *breathes*. <img src="/ubbthreads/images/graemlins/needhug.gif" alt="" /> The vet aspirated the growth. The cytology report indicated no cancer cells (but Dr. Reese said thats not always accurate) . He is treating it like an infection with SMZ TMP suspension twice a day and benebac gel ( for the gut bacteria while on antibiotic therapy). He says if it does not start going down he may have to remove it which is risky mosly because of the anasthesia for gliders (calculating it accurately). Our next appt. is next thursday @ 2:30 CST.
<img src="/ubbthreads/images/graemlins/exclamation.gif" alt="" /> <img src="/ubbthreads/images/graemlins/exclamation.gif" alt="" /> <img src="/ubbthreads/images/graemlins/exclamation.gif" alt="" />Charlie or any one else if you have any experience with this sort of thing please please pm me your number so I can talk with you cause I am racked with worry.
Rocky is so tame ...no crabbing biting or anything through it all. The vet could not believe it. He also commented on healthy he looked.............................Cora

I will try to get a pic of it later..........................Cora
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#94684 - 04/13/06 07:29 PM Re: Any Ideas on What might be happening Here??? [Re: ]
Cora Offline
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Rocky and I welcome your thoughts and prayers.......Thank You!!!!!!!
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#94685 - 04/13/06 07:40 PM Re: Any Ideas on What might be happening Here??? [Re: ]
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#94686 - 04/13/06 07:44 PM Re: Any Ideas on What might be happening Here??? [Re: ]
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~hugs~ im so sorry Cora! Get well wishes and prayers have been said!

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#94687 - 04/13/06 07:51 PM Re: Any Ideas on What might be happening Here??? [Re: ]
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Sending more prayers your way! <img src="/ubbthreads/images/graemlins/hug2.gif" alt="" /> <img src="/ubbthreads/images/graemlins/hug2.gif" alt="" /> <img src="/ubbthreads/images/graemlins/hug2.gif" alt="" /> <img src="/ubbthreads/images/graemlins/hug2.gif" alt="" /> <img src="/ubbthreads/images/graemlins/hug2.gif" alt="" /> <img src="/ubbthreads/images/graemlins/hug2.gif" alt="" />

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#94688 - 04/13/06 08:13 PM Re: Any Ideas on What might be happening Here??? [Re: ]
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Cora, you can call us anytime, day/night, if you need to. That's what we're here for.

Like we said, it's extremely unlikely this is cancer...which usually takes a lot longer to form, and at that size would likely show on a cytology. This could be a bug bite, time will tell if the swelling goes down. You could try some children's benadryl... ask vet for dosage amt...and see if it helps with swelling. If a bug bite, it is an antihistamine, and should help, but won't hurt him if it's not.

Another very possible scenario, is one of his teeth...with the involvement of the neck, I would think a back tooth, either upper or lower jaw, could be either abscessed, or bacteria got in thru a scratch in the jaw, and this spread into the neck..building until it was noticeable. It could be any side tooth, but with neck involvement it's more likely it's farther back. The vet might or might not be able to see anything, but it's worth a look.

Regardless..you want him on meds at LEAST 3 or 4 days longer than there is symptoms...if ANY swelling remains, extend the course of meds. If you don't see any improvement in the next 24 to 48 hours, get him back in...sooner if it gets any worse. You could suggest to the vet a broader spectrum antibiotic like Baytril or Clavamox at that time, since TMP/SFX is a narrower spectrum and not as effective against as broad a range of bugs.

Here's the hug you asked for <img src="/ubbthreads/images/graemlins/hug2.gif" alt="" /> <img src="/ubbthreads/images/graemlins/hug2.gif" alt="" /> - we know how scary this is for you. And remember you are welcome to call any time you need to.


Edited by Xfilefan (04/17/06 12:53 AM)
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#94689 - 04/13/06 09:23 PM Re: Any Ideas on What might be happening Here??? [Re: ]
Cora Offline
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Thank you soooooooo much. I do feel a little better after our conversation. I put Rocky back in with Foamy. I will be keeping a close eye out for any changes. Cora
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#94690 - 04/14/06 07:09 PM Re: Any Ideas .....worsening [Re: ]
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Well did not notice much change in the lump this morning.........but now it is a little bigger......even his throat is firm and slightly swollen like the lump. I left a message on the vets answering machine.........but no call back...............This is really worrying me............did I save him when he was young just to lose him now.........thats not fair!!!!!!!!!.........................................Cora


Edited by Cora (04/14/06 07:21 PM)
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#94691 - 04/14/06 07:21 PM Re: Any Ideas on What might be happening Here??? [Re: ]
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Oh Cora,
I'm sorry the lump seems to be getting bigger.. but try to stay strong (I know that has to be hard to do right now <img src="/ubbthreads/images/graemlins/hug2.gif" alt="" />).

Now that there is swelling around his throat have you noticed how he is breathing?? Does it seem to be affecting him that way?
Do you have an emergency vet phone number you can call? Can you take him to an emergency vet?
Sending you hugs...

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#94692 - 04/14/06 07:38 PM Re: Any Ideas on What might be happening Here??? [Re: ]
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I would get him to a vet asap. You say </font><blockquote><font class="small">Quote:</font><hr />
but now it is a little bigger......even his throat is firm and slightly swollen like the lump.

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This could restrict his breathing, also the increase swelling may be a reaction to the meds causing anaphylaxis. You have Jen's number, she is very knowledgeable with abscess.
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#94693 - 04/14/06 08:00 PM Re: Any Ideas on What might be happening Here??? [Re: ]
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I'm sorry Cora, I ran to get my boys some dinner. Get him into a 24 hour vet..print what I typed before, and take this one as well.

Since nothing was found, and he is now on meds...they will mess up test results if a bacteria. vet may need to shotgun...If he were mine, I would go with a stronger broad spectrum antiabiotic...either Clavamox or Clindamycin IN COMBINATION with Metronidazole...AND an anti-inflammatory of some kind. Ask for syringes if you don't have many, in case you have to force food/fluids. Ensure is easy to syringe feed-any flavor but chocolate. Have vet check for dehydration as well, and sub-q if necessary. I have a vet that will consult at this time of day if you need it...Dr. Emch or Dr. Matheson at Pet ER...801-277-9369, and my name is Jen Bailey...I believe the account there is under my husband's name..Ray Bailey. Find any vet willing to see him and take this with you. My cell if I'm ever not here is 435-640-9438
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#94694 - 04/14/06 08:24 PM Re: Any Ideas on What might be happening Here??? [Re: ]
Cora Offline
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Hey guys you are amazingly supportive.........thank you. Rocky took his meds without swollowing diff. he has no trouble breathing and is currently munching on an apple in the bonding pouch. He has had 3 doses of the antibiotic if he was going to go into anaphylactic shock from allergy to the med it would have already happened. Jen really is leaning towards a spider bite. I will keep you all posted.
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#94695 - 04/14/06 08:38 PM Re: Any Ideas on What might be happening Here??? [Re: ]
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I am, because it is hardening, and spreading, so quickly. It is acting like a histamine reaction. A cyst or tumor takes time, and abcesses normally have enough fluid for a culture. This does not. Infection is possible...but usually wouldn't characterize itself this way, or visibly grow so fast..although it is possible, and could be diffused through the tissue, rather than fluid filled...i would put that lower on the list. A very unlikely thing, is that something got lodged, such as a small splinter of something, either from the outside, or in the throat, to cause this. Extremely unlikely, but not outside the realm of possibility. Benadryl may not be either strong enough, or targeted enough. A corticosteroid, such as prednisone, might be called for to slow/stop the swelling-If it is a bite..did it get him from the outside, or did he eat the thing, and it got him? A vet could maybe determine that. I'm not one, so this is my best guess based on experience. Hopefully someone will be willing to see him, and find out what is going on. Since it is still swelling, the meds he's on aren't doing the job...and the throat isn't somewhere you want it to keep going. Keep us updated on the little trooper, Cora. <img src="/ubbthreads/images/graemlins/hug2.gif" alt="" />


Edited by Xfilefan (04/17/06 12:55 AM)
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#94696 - 04/14/06 08:45 PM Re: Any Ideas on What might be happening Here??? [Re: ]
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Wow, how stressful! Kudos to you taking such great care of Rocky and getting him the care he needs. You are a truly dedicated glider mommy!

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#94697 - 04/14/06 08:59 PM Re: Any Ideas on What might be happening Here??? [Re: ]
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Oh Cora! <img src="/ubbthreads/images/graemlins/heartpump.gif" alt="" /> I feel your pain. I know this is really hard on you, but you can get through it. I am sending both you and Rocky Hugs, and Prayers! Good Lcuk! <img src="/ubbthreads/images/graemlins/hug2.gif" alt="" /> <img src="/ubbthreads/images/graemlins/frostyangel.gif" alt="" />

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#94698 - 04/15/06 01:01 AM Re: Any Ideas on What might be happening Here??? [Re: ]
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Cora,
You mentioned the veterinarian aspirated the swelling. That sounded like was fluid was removed. Although you mentioned no evidence of cancer in cytology review, you did not indicate what the fluid analysis otherwise showed. Exudate, pus, gram stain, culture?... surely some tests were run on it. Any follow-up?

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#94699 - 04/15/06 10:53 AM Re: Any Ideas .....update [Re: ]
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Rocky is no worse...................but no better as far as the swelling goes. He still acts normal. Dr, Reese said most likely the swelling to his neck area is from the needle stick.........causing seepage to that tissue. The entire area is moveable.......meanig if I touch the neck area where the swelling stops the whole area moves. He is not scratching at it or even acknowledging he has a problem. If this is not making much sense its cause I have been up and down all night checking on my cuteness...........and Im a little tired.
schlep the cytology report indicated WBC count was elevated. ....................Cora
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#94700 - 04/15/06 11:03 AM Re: Any Ideas .....update [Re: ]
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<img src="/ubbthreads/images/graemlins/hug2.gif" alt="" /> Cora, You are so wonderful for taking care of Rocky like this. I'm happy that he is no worse and praying that he will start to improve very soon. Try to get some rest and know that we are here for you <img src="/ubbthreads/images/graemlins/hug2.gif" alt="" />.

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#94701 - 04/15/06 02:24 PM Re: Any Ideas .....update [Re: ]
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*hugs* I'm so glad he's not worse. Keep up the good work. <img src="/ubbthreads/images/graemlins/hug2.gif" alt="" /> <img src="/ubbthreads/images/graemlins/hug2.gif" alt="" />

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#94702 - 04/15/06 04:19 PM Re: Any Ideas .....update [Re: ]
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You didn't mention gram stain results, which would usually be done. Sometimes that helps your doc decide which antibiotic to choose.

If WBC's were present, it is hard to support any other diagnosis than infection being present (abscess). Even a fluid cyst or cystic hygroma or any other original cause of the fluid that now has WBC's has likely become secondarily infected. If that fluid collection or a boggy feeling is still present, then so is the germ and infection most likely. It is almost impossible to clear an abscess with an oral antibiotic without aggressive drainage to de-bulk the infection. One just can't get adequate antibiotic levels in such a fluid space.

If the swelling persists and your veterinarian wants to needle it or open it with a tiny incision and drain it, I would let him/her do it. Without doing so, it is not likely to heal, or if it does it is a much longer process with risk of infection spreading and causing other complications.

Good luck.

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#94703 - 04/15/06 04:51 PM Re: Any Ideas .....update [Re: ]
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Thanks, Schlep. That was my first thougt, but then the vet couldn't get much fluid out with the needle. I always feel better when you get in here, let me tell you. With all the spiders around lately, that was really possible. Could this have diffusion in there as well, with a small center? Would that require a tube or something while the fluid works it way out of the tissue, or the vet to continue reopening it/keeping it open for it to drain? Sorry, just trying to learn, and concerned for the little guy. With white blood cells, infection is definitely there..do you think the meds would work better in combination with drainage, and that's why it's still getting bigger...or if meds need changed in addition?
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#94704 - 04/15/06 04:59 PM Re: Any Ideas .....update [Re: ]
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deleted by Chaungo1... poor advice given <img src="/ubbthreads/images/graemlins/crazy.gif" alt="" />


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