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#950739 - 05/26/10 12:10 PM Penis scraping
Gizmogirl Offline
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Can anyone tell me why a vet would do a penis scraping?
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#950754 - 05/26/10 12:56 PM Re: Penis scraping [Re: Gizmogirl]
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The only reason I can think of would be there there is necrotic tissue on the penis. However, scrapping could lead to scar tissue. The scar tissue could cause more problems and need further treatment.

I think a penis amputation would be more humane for the glider.

This is a pretty vague question and hard to answer without more details of the situation.
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#950755 - 05/26/10 01:00 PM Re: Penis scraping [Re: Dancing]
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#951043 - 05/27/10 01:18 AM Re: Penis scraping [Re: Laurens_Babies]
Gizmogirl Offline
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Sorry Teresa, I know it's vague, let me give you more details. I received a call from a glider owner who is concerned about her one glider, the glider is 7 years old and they received this glider from someone who did not want him anymore.

They were told that the glider only needs to eat Cerelac baby porridge and yoghurt.

When I asked what the symptoms were, she told me he is very lethargic, and shaking. I asked them to give him fluids in the mean time and keep him warm and try to give some yoghurt. I urged them to get to the vet asap and recommended an exotic vet, however they chose to go to a normal vet. But I applaud them for going to a vet.

I explained that I was thinking in the line of HLP but that I am not a vet and explained what they should ask the vet and also supplied them with my exotic vet's contact number.

After a while, they contacted me again and said he just got out of his nest and wee wee'd but hissed. So I told them that this little one needed to go to the vet ASAP and that she should pull up the urine in a clean syringe and take it with for testing.

The vet gave him a calcium shot, and vit D, and did a scraping on the penis, which was a bit weird and out of place for me, that is why I asked.

I am concerned about this little guy, he is starting on Amoxicillin today, the vet also said that he found a lot of bacteria and that he does not know if that is normal with sugar gliders.

I contacted my vet and we both feel that there should have been done more for this little one.

I will get more updates today.

There is no pain meds, and it is a wide spectrum antibiotics, these people don't have the financial means to see another vet today and they are 450km away from me. I will see what I can do to help.

I fear for a combination of HLP and UTI.


Edited by Gizmogirl (05/27/10 01:22 AM)
Edit Reason: Added more
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#951181 - 05/27/10 11:43 AM Re: Penis scraping [Re: Gizmogirl]
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Quote:
I fear for a combination of HLP and UTI.


I think it might be even more going on then just that. Malnutrition can cause a whole host of problems but the HLP is definately up on the top of the list.

Symptoms you described...I can not imagine why a penis scrape was done.

Broad spectrum antibiotics, pain meds and oral calcium suppliments along with a much better diet should help the little guy. I don't know if any permenant damage could have been caused by the penis scraping or not but if scar tissue builds up, it could lead to other problems.

I'm so sorry for this little glider. I hope those that have him now have the dedication to help him recover.
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#951198 - 05/27/10 12:09 PM Re: Penis scraping [Re: Dancing]
Gizmogirl Offline
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Loc: South Africa
He will be on HPW as soon as my order arrives next week, and I am arranging right now to go there either over the weekend or early next week. E-mails and phone calls have been constant over the past two days and I believe they are taking best possible care of him.

To make matters worse is that this little guy started to SM, and they got a female glider of 3 years old as a friend (good intentions), but the breeder told them that they should go ahead and put them together right from the start.

They are in separate rooms now I believe, and I am doing my best in helping. He is still shaking when attempting to walk, but he is eating great from what I can gather.

As soon as Stuart is better I will discuss his neutering with them as I feel strongly that he should be neutered.

Everyone please pray for Stuart, he needs your prayers right now.
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#951206 - 05/27/10 12:17 PM Re: Penis scraping [Re: Gizmogirl]
Gizmogirl Offline
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Loc: South Africa
I also asked her if the vet prescribed oral calcium supplements but she said that the vet did not prescribe oral supplements as he did not know what calcium supplement to give!?!
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#951217 - 05/27/10 12:38 PM Re: Penis scraping [Re: Gizmogirl]
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Liezl, contact Val (Jackie_Chans_Mom) and she might be able to help with that. Or post over on The Sweet Spot about it. The Sweet Spot is dedicated to medical issues.
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#951236 - 05/27/10 01:23 PM Re: Penis scraping [Re: Dancing]
Gizmogirl Offline
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Loc: South Africa
Thank you, will do
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#951555 - 05/28/10 02:06 AM Re: Penis scraping [Re: Gizmogirl]
Gizmogirl Offline
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Loc: South Africa
This morning Stuart is worse, he can't use his hind legs. I contacted my vet and packed my bags, I arranged that the vet bil would be for my account and I am on my way, no time to waste here. Please pray!
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#951557 - 05/28/10 02:16 AM Re: Penis scraping [Re: Gizmogirl]
Gizmogirl Offline
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Loc: South Africa
I just received a phone call from Stuarts owner, he passed away right after I posted. Glide free little Stuart, I am sorry that I was not in time.........................
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#951566 - 05/28/10 05:05 AM Re: Penis scraping [Re: Gizmogirl]
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Glide free Stuart, you are free of pain now. gangel
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#951582 - 05/28/10 07:25 AM Re: Penis scraping [Re: Bozeman]
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Oh Liezl....I am SO sorry to hear this....you tried and did your best. You're wonderful.
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#951627 - 05/28/10 09:18 AM Re: Penis scraping [Re: DCMuffin]
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I just wanted to share with all of you that Liezl was truly there for this glider 24/7 although we reside quite a distance from them. She did what she would do for her own gliders and any other glider for that matter. I think Stuart had a lot more going on than the HLP and UTI.

Here is a text message she received from Stuart's owner:

" Dear ANGEl Liezl! Thank you for all that you have done to help Stuart. I know that it is horrible that he had to go but it was best for him and maybe the only way for him to heal was to go. I will miss him terribly but I know that I have learnt such a lot from this. I think that when he saw the female he knew that it would be okay to go because I woudn't be alone. I hope we can meet soon so that I can see the person who has helped me to learn so much. Stuart was very loved and he knew that. Megan"

Thank you Teresa and Val for your help.
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#951631 - 05/28/10 09:23 AM Re: Penis scraping [Re: Bozeman]
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I know she was...she truly IS an angel...you BOTH are for all you've done!
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#951636 - 05/28/10 09:29 AM Re: Penis scraping [Re: Bozeman]
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mloveWOW.... It is amazing how big of hearts you have! Sorry Im in tears as I read the text.

Glide free little Stuart. :rbridge:
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#951737 - 05/28/10 03:31 PM Re: Penis scraping [Re: victoriarose1982]
Gizmogirl Offline
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Loc: South Africa
Thank you Aimee and Rachel.
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#951777 - 05/28/10 07:00 PM Re: Penis scraping [Re: Gizmogirl]
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Originally Posted By: Gizmogirl
I just received a phone call from Stuarts owner, he passed away right after I posted. Glide free little Stuart, I am sorry that I was not in time.........................

cry cry cry
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#951822 - 05/28/10 08:51 PM Re: Penis scraping [Re: ozzi]
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Poor little guy! It does sound like there was a lot more going on than with him. He may have been malnourished for a long time.

Glide Free Little Stuart :rbridge:
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#952208 - 05/30/10 10:45 AM Re: Penis scraping [Re: Feather]
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Hi there all. I am new to this site. I am the owner of Stuart who recently passed away. Thank you again Liezl for all that you have done. Now at least I have even more help to take care of the female Zoe. I feel so bad for not feeding him properly, if only I had known then what I know now! I look forward to speaking to you all and receiving guidance as well as helping where I can to save other sugar gliders. Stuart will always be with me, helping me to learn and grow. Thanks for the kind messages and support.

Megan

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#952211 - 05/30/10 11:06 AM Re: Penis scraping [Re: ]
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Megan, welcome. I can only guess how difficult it has been for you. Liezl has told us a bit about how things are in S.A. with gliders. The bad information and lack of good vets. I'm so sorry you lost Stuart. I wish we could have helped sooner.

Zoe will need lots of love and attention now. And once you are able, a new companion to keep her company. But for now, she needs some time first.
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#952219 - 05/30/10 11:44 AM Re: Penis scraping [Re: Dancing]
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Welcome, Megan. Liezl kept us up to date on things with Stuart and I am so sorry to hear of your loss. I know it's been difficult. Sadly, an unfortunate situation has probably taught you more than you wished to learn. :-( Give all your love to Zoe now, she's going to need extra TLC to get her through this, as well. Thinking of you - you've found a wonderful friend in Liezl...she's wonderful!
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#952378 - 05/31/10 02:02 AM Re: Penis scraping [Re: DCMuffin]
Gizmogirl Offline
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Loc: South Africa
Hi Megan, glad you joined, you will learn so much on this site!

Just so you all know, Megan is so passionate about her suggies that Casper and I decided to take her under our wing to help educate the SA community.

I will visit soon to meet Zoe. hug2
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#952379 - 05/31/10 02:04 AM Re: Penis scraping [Re: DCMuffin]
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Welcome!
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hug2

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#952412 - 05/31/10 08:17 AM Re: Penis scraping [Re: Bozeman]
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Love to hear this, Liezl...I think it's a fantastic idea! Again, welcome Megan!
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