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Sudden weight loss #1392934
08/18/15 02:02 PM
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I am crossposting this around, because I am basically at my wits' end. Since around the first week of July, my female glider Danni's weight has been fluctuating. The vet I have been taking her to said it was due to a respiratory infection and prescribed an antibiotic, and she seemed to get better.

But as of today, Danni has lost ten grams in about two weeks. I am taking her back to the vet today. She still seems to be eating, if not as much as before, and she is not showing any outward signs of illness, but the sudden rapid weight loss worries me, because this was how we lost Laurie, their other cagemate, in 2014. Laurie's necropsy showed she had severe anemia.

Danni's eating habits have changed over the past few months - at first, she was eating her HPW and ignoring her fruits and veggies, then she started ignoring her HPW and eating just the fruits and veggies she liked. I thought their batch might be bad - it smelled a little off - so I switched back to HPW +. Sometimes she eats it and sometimes she doesn't, but neither she nor her cagemate seem very fond of it, and there are some nights they don't touch it at all.

Danni had a blood smear done on 7/22 that showed her iron was a little on the low side, but she was not anemic, and I have been giving them things like spinach and collard greens. During that visit, the vet said she was constipated and gave her some pain meds, which seemed to help, but she is still not eating as well as she was. I've also been giving Danni a little ensure and Knudsons Mega Green juice over the past week (about 1/4 a teaspoon at a time via oral syringe) to make up for the vitamins lost on days she doesn't touch her HPW.

At first I chalked all of this to the stress of a changing work schedule...I got a new job after about eight weeks of being unemployed, and management has changed my schedule three times since I started. I still have pouch time with my two fur babies a lot, but we don't do tent time as much as we used to, and I am worried this is a contributing factor.

Danni kept coming down with a UTI all last year, and we finally got that resolved, but other things keep cropping up. Her cagemate Rory is as chubby as ever despite being bouncy and active, but he's started to overgroom his eyebrows.

I am sorry for the rambling nature of this post, but I am worried that after six years I have dropped the ball bigtime with these guys, and I am letting them down.

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Re: Sudden weight loss [Re: sandbat] #1392947
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I suggest having a fecal run, checking for parasites and giardia.

You may also want to see if your vet can run some bloodwork also.

Please keep us posted on your little one.


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Re: Sudden weight loss [Re: sandbat] #1392953
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Please do not offer ensure. The reason I say this is with all the health issues you have listed, even if you do not notice, I am sure there is some kind of (even if minimal) dehydration going on there. Ensure will turn to clay in the intestinal tract. This will surely help to take your glider down.

I really wish people would stop using that stuff, but that is just a personal opinion at this point.

The weight loss is a HUGE concern. Which HPW do you have your baby on? Would you be willing to try a different one than you currently are using? if so, please pm me your address and I will send you out a free sample for you to try.

Secondly, have you had your vet do any kind of blood panels? Give any sort of Sub-Q's? Do any type of ultrasounds? Please ask your vet if they are willing/able to do a bile acid test on your little one. If they are uncertain how to do one on a glider have them get in touch with Dr. Tim Tristan and he can consult with him. This will let him know if the food is being digested correctly.

As for the constipation, offer more watery type of foods, such as melons, especially watermelons. Just remember the stool may be red due to the watermelon, it will not be blood.

Not being able to spend time with them would not contribute to this. As much as we want to believe we have to spend all this time with these guys, they do fine without all the hands on time we always say they need. They do not require as much time with us as we require with them.

With Danni having so many UTI's did you ever discover the cause of these? How long was she on the meds? Another reason to have a blood panel done so her liver panel numbers can be looked at to make sure her liver is still strong.

Rory overgrooming his eyes..... this is new? I would also do a blood panel on him. Often times we think this is stress related or even hormone related, however, since you have an illness going on right now and are uncertain of the cause, it is best to check into it early on. Better to be safe than sorry. thumb


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Re: Sudden weight loss [Re: sandbat] #1392963
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Just got back from the vet.

She has an enlarged liver, and a lot of feces in her colon. The thing is, she does not act constipated, I see what looks like a normal amount of normal poop when she goes potty, but the vet says there is an abnormal amount in her colon. The fatty liver is from not eating/losing so much weight so soon. she has given me special care a/d wet food to give her, and a liver support pill that I am supposed to quarter and crush and get into her somehow. Has anyone had this happen with their babies before? Anyone have any ideas?

Re: Sudden weight loss [Re: sandbat] #1392964
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I would feed her juicy foods, watermelon would be good.

Mix her crushed pill in yogurt and give it to her with a syringe to make sure she gets it all.

Please keep us posted on her progress.


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Re: Sudden weight loss [Re: sandbat] #1392974
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Has the liver gotten too much iron?

Dark greens have alot of iron in it,& our babies shouldn't eat too much of it.

Peaches would be good to feed her,that is pretty watery, too. Just think of 'watery' foods to help her get hydrated.

Peggy is so right, endure should have never been told to give gliders, but we didn't know of the harm in time, & it got used alot by everyone who wanted help w/putting weight on.
Try avocados instead.


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Re: Sudden weight loss [Re: sandbat] #1392976
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I gave the crushed pill to her in an oral syringe with some mega green juice. Is it ok to give her, since it is made partially from green veggies?

She's munching grapes right now. Thank you all for your support! I will keep you all posted.

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Re: Sudden weight loss [Re: josefine] #1392978
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Originally Posted By: josefine
Has the liver gotten too much iron?

Dark greens have alot of iron in it,& our babies shouldn't eat too much of it.

Peaches would be good to feed her,that is pretty watery, too. Just think of 'watery' foods to help her get hydrated.

Peggy is so right, endure should have never been told to give gliders, but we didn't know of the harm in time, & it got used alot by everyone who wanted help w/putting weight on.
Try avocados instead.


Avocados? Why didn't I think of that! :O

BRB running to the store for Avocados.

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Re: Sudden weight loss [Re: sandbat] #1392983
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I gave the crushed pill to her in an oral syringe with some mega green juice.


Yes, it is fine to get her to take it this way. What did they tell you to give her? SamE? Milk Thistle?


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Re: Sudden weight loss [Re: sandbat] #1392991
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Originally Posted By: sandbat


Avocados? Why didn't I think of that! :O

BRB running to the store for Avocados.


There is no need to stress yourself figuring out what to hide the meds in because she will pick up on your stress.

Simply put it in her favorite treat such as yogurt or apple sauce or something she really loves just making sure all is eaten. Make it easy on both of you grin


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Re: Sudden weight loss [Re: sandbat] #1393001
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I called the vet. There is milk thistle in the pill. She ate some avocado and apple and grape and a few mealies, but is not touching her staple food. I gave her some in an oral syringe this morning before work, and give her some more with more of the milk thistle pill tonight.

Re: Sudden weight loss [Re: sandbat] #1393003
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The naked brand green machine is something many of us give our gliders, I don't have any @ this time, but look to see how much iron is in that, & find out if that amount is still safe or not from someone who knows what she is talking about.

I have become very much aware of gliders getting too much iron, & this is compromising their health.

Bee pollen isn't good to give them, either. It will not digest normally in their digestive system.

I was told that honey is basically just bee vomit, & that there is a nectar that is suitable for them to have.
It comes from the Wombaroo Company in Australia.


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Re: Sudden weight loss [Re: sandbat] #1393004
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So is HPW/HPW plus bad to give them? I am very scared and confused now. I have been giving it to them for years, under the impression that it is an approved diet.

Re: Sudden weight loss [Re: sandbat] #1393006
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It is an 'approved' diet, multitudes of people are feeding this.
I have chosen to feed them a better way.


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Re: Sudden weight loss [Re: josefine] #1393007
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Bee pollen isn't good to give them, either. It will not digest normally in their digestive system.


This is ABSOLUTELY 150% FALSE
and Josefine unless YOU are working with someone who is a PROFESSIONAL in the field or have had the proper testing done as *I* have done, please STOP spreading these absolutely LIES about the bee pollen.

And there are several things SUITABLE for them to have. How about the products that have actually been developed SPECIFICALLY FOR captive bred and raised pet sugar gliders and TESTED moreso than ANY OTHER diet product out there. Yes, I would be talking about the Critter Love products.


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Re: Sudden weight loss [Re: sandbat] #1393008
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Originally Posted By: sandbat
So is HPW/HPW plus bad to give them? I am very scared and confused now. I have been giving it to them for years, under the impression that it is an approved diet.


It is not only an approved diet, it is also the ONLY TESTED diet.

Please do not listen to Josefine, she has NO professional experience in diets, look her name and posts up... you will see, she has many issues when it comes to understanding diets herself.


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Re: Sudden weight loss [Re: sandbat] #1393023
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Today was very frustrating. She is eating, but still avoiding her staple. One of the main problems is that I am running out of money to try anything else. The vet bills have been really high, and I am at the end of my rope financially.

I tried to get some more HPW plus down her with an oral syringe, but it was a struggle. I did get some more of her medicine in her. She has had some peas and melon tonight.

I am super worried...part of the problem with giving her the medicine in her favorite food is that she is avoiding what were formerly her favorite foods.

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Re: Sudden weight loss [Re: sandbat] #1393027
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Send me your address, I will send you some Complete. thumb


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Re: Sudden weight loss [Re: sandbat] #1393028
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sandbat, sometimes a diet has to be changed if the gliders wont eat it. there are many approved diets out there to choose from.

on another note, i feed the critterlove plus, have for years,
but i use organic eggs/bee pollen and honey, i dont know if that would make a difference, works for me.

bottom line, if the gliders arent eating the staple, time for a change.

hope your babies get well, good luck.


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Re: Sudden weight loss [Re: sandbat] #1393034
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You can also try mixing up the way you present the food.

Some gliders like the staple poured over the fruits and vegetables - or just put the frozen cube on top of the produce and let it melt.

Some gliders prefer the staple separate from the fruits and vegetables.

Which ever way you have been arranging the food - try the other way to see if your gliders have a preference.

You can also put the food in a hanging dish so your gliders can do a bit of foraging. Hanging bird dishes work well for this.

Some folks use the trough type water container where just the small cup fits between the cage bars for their gliders to drink the staple.

If you are using a deep small crock for the staple - try a shallower dish - it might just be hard for your gliders to sit on the edge and drink the liquid with their heads bent down into a deep dish.

It may not be the staple they do not like - just its presentation.


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Re: Sudden weight loss [Re: sandbat] #1393049
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SRLB, it says you are over your pm limit.

And if this ends up being something I should have to do, how much milk thistle oil should I give to a glider?

Re: Sudden weight loss [Re: sandbat] #1393062
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Sorry about that, all fixed now. thumb


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Re: Sudden weight loss [Re: sandbat] #1393063
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How were you able to change the bee pollen to digest normally in their system?
This is one of the things I read from the Wombaroo Co.
Sugar gliders shouldn't be eating bee pollen.


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Re: Sudden weight loss [Re: josefine] #1393065
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How were you able to change the bee pollen to digest normally in their system?
This is one of the things I read from the Wombaroo Co.
Sugar gliders shouldn't be eating bee pollen.


I didnt do anything to change the bee pollen to digest normally in their system Josefine.

Sugar gliders have been fed bee pollen for over a decade and it has been digested very well with no issues. As a matter of fact, what does not break down and needed in their bodies, like many other things is passed through with no issues and discarded like with all other animals, including humans do.

Again, I have contracted professionals, testings have been done, CURRENT test results show it is perfectly safe and beneficial for our gliders.

You, yourself have fed your gliders bee pollen for years with no ill effects. The pampered glider, where you purchase your food products currently even sells it. Would they do so if it were so dangerous?

Now, do you ever wonder maybe, just maybe, the information that some may have may just be a little outdated and current information and current studies have not been done by said company on captive bred sugar gliders?

A more recent study on animals (in general) eating pollen has shown:

"Although hummingbirds reportedly digest pollen very poorly, most animals studied, including those that do not regularly consume pollen, can digest 50100% of ingested grains. Overlooked and recent research of pollen protein content shows that pollen grains may contain over 60% protein, double the amount cited in some studies of pollen-feeding animals. Adaptive hypotheses that associate pollen starch and pollen caloric content with pollinator reward remain unsubstantiated when critically viewed through the lens of phylogeny.

This information can be viewed here:
http://link.springer.com/article/10.1007%2FBF00984102
Feel free to buy the book.

Josefine, again, if you personally choose not to feed bee pollen that is fine, but to state something as a fact when it is obvious not is just wrong as you may be causing gliders more harm than good.


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Re: Sudden weight loss [Re: sandbat] #1393067
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I have no idea why Karen sells the bee pollen.

This is what I read from the Wombaroo Co. Since they are from Australia, & this was the area that gliders came from @ one time, well, I didn't think they were wrong, that they evidently knew gliders digestive systems.

What I am now feeding is the whps, along w/the nectar that has been drank by birds.

My kids are eating this staple. It is all gone by morning. Granted, they still don't eat all the food I give them, so I have cut way back on that.

I also read that we should not feed them foods that contain too much iron.Greens contain more iron than other .

My kids are eating more of the fruits than the veggies.

They weren't eating all the Plus, b/c I had to put eggs in it, & my kids don't like scrambled eggs, so I asked you if I could change the eggs for baby food chicken, & you told me it would throw everything off if I did that, so I didn't feed it.

Whenever I had wondered about the food I feed, I have always come to you to ask if this &/or that would be ok, & whenever you said no to something, then they didn't get it.

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Re: Sudden weight loss [Re: josefine] #1393083
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This is what I read from the Wombaroo Co. Since they are from Australia, & this was the area that gliders came from @ one time, well, I didn't think they were wrong, that they evidently knew gliders digestive systems.


It is actually believed our gliders come from Indonesia.

Do you really think they are the only ones that are allowed to know the digestive system of animals just because the animal is known to have originated in their country? In Australia a sugar glider is a pest, just like our opossum is here. Very few keep them as pets there. Just like their kangaroo. They shoot them as we shoot deer.

If you are feeding a diet that your gliders are eating Josefine and you are happy with it, continue feeding it. thumb But again, please do not try to state things as facts when you are not the one hiring professionals and contracting labs to run testings on these animals to get the FACTUAL information that is needed for OUR captive bred and kept pet sugar gliders. Our captive animals have different nutrient requirements than those in the wild or kept in the 9' X 9' X 9' aviaries in Australia.

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I also read that we should not feed them foods that contain too much iron.Greens contain more iron than other


This is correct, this is why you do not see items such as spinach or collards or turnip greens in any of my mixtures....

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My kids are eating more of the fruits than the veggies.


Females tend to eat more fruits than the males. It is always recommended to offer more vegetables than fruit. You also have a tendency to way overfeed your animals.

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They weren't eating all the Plus, b/c I had to put eggs in it, & my kids don't like scrambled eggs, so I asked you if I could change the eggs for baby food chicken, & you told me it would throw everything off if I did that, so I didn't feed it.


It would indeed throw everything off. You are wanting to offer a diet high in protein as well. I do not advise that. It is too rough on the kidneys over time.
Again, your gliders will eat what they need and leave what they dont. When you overfeed, you will have left overs. I have asked you several times to post pictures of your gliders, you never do. I want people to see, your gliders are far from starving. smirk


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she lost a few more grams. I am at my wits' end. I am finally getting the liver meds down her pretty reliably...but I am so worried. The vet also gave me the go ahead to start pain meds again, just in case.
She has dropped from 138 grams to 120 grams in about 2 1/2 weeks! Yes, that is not underweight yet, but I am so worried that her liver is just going to give out on her.

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Add some Avocado to her diet a couple times a week. I hope you can get her over this.


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I just gave her some, and she nibbled it a little bit. I got some ohpw mixed with green juice in an oral syringe down her just a moment ago. I hate feeding her this way because it is so stressful for both of us, but this is what the vet would recommend I do if she were a cat...and one of our cats did go through this as well a few weeks ago due to pancreatitis. The vet doesn't think it is pancreatitis in this case (I don't think she has ever seen it in a glider) and the x rays did not show anything going on with the pancreas. They mostly showed her liver looked enlarged, and it looks like there is a lot of poop in her colon; but she seems to be pooping normally otherwise. I will keep everyone posted.

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Is she able to do a bile acid test?


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I can ask. What does it involve?

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This article may help you to understand it a bit.

Diagnostic Testing for Liver Disease


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I tried opening it up, but something else kept coming up.
Really weird.
Can an enlarged liver have anything to do w/too much iron in their digestive system?
What causes a liver to enlarge?


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It should open right up Josefine.

You would need to discuss that with your licensed veterinarian.


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I think Josefine was expecting a website, it's more like a PDF file.


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Update: Her weight is maintaining at 122 grams since Saturday, but that is with burritoing her every night and feeding her OHPW with an oral syringe, which is stressful for both of us. She will not touch the ohpw or hpw plus anymore. I will try the HPW Complete when it comes. Someone also told me about a good recovery food I can try if the HPW complete does not work for her.

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You should be getting the Complete in a couple days. thumb
If I still lived in Texas, you would have already received it. LOL!


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Thanks. Danni went to the emergency vet tonight because she was not pooping. She got a subQ and laxatives.

I am so frustrated with my primary vets flailing around and blindly throwing stuff at the wall to see what sticks in regards to my gliders' ailments, or shrugging and repeating about how much we still don't know about gliders while referring to 10 year old outdated info, or pressing yet another photocopy of original ledbeatter's mix from a 15 year old website, or worse still, parroting misinformation from a certain glider mill, while emergency vets always seem to know their stuff, and yet never cost less than the hundreds of dollars!

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I can truly sympathize w/you on how much a vet would know. We are supposed to be going to one of the best vet clinics in Iowa, & @ one visit, he actually said that I could maybe know more about glider care & such than he would.

I was not too happy to hear that, it was so disappointing. I told him if they wanted to know more, to go to this forum, but especially to the sweet spot, as she has almost everything that can go wrong w/a glider for more knowledge.

As far as the cost, I think many of us can sympathize w/you on that point. Many here have spent $100's of dollars on our babies. It sometimes just comes w/owning sugar gliders.Not everyone, but quite a few.

You could insist on him getting w/Dr. Tristan, or Dr. Walsh for further knowledge on the care of gliders.


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Originally Posted By: sandbat
Thanks. Danni went to the emergency vet tonight because she was not pooping. She got a subQ and laxatives.

I am so frustrated with my primary vets flailing around and blindly throwing stuff at the wall to see what sticks in regards to my gliders' ailments, or shrugging and repeating about how much we still don't know about gliders while referring to 10 year old outdated info, or pressing yet another photocopy of original ledbeatter's mix from a 15 year old website, or worse still, parroting misinformation from a certain glider mill, while emergency vets always seem to know their stuff, and yet never cost less than the hundreds of dollars!


I understand your frustration.

We have a list of glider knowledgeable vets in our database who will do phone consults with other vets.

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Danni's weight is up after I started her on carnivore care. I gave it to her mixed in 1/4 teaspoon yogurt, 1/4 teaspoon green juice, 1/4 teaspoon cranberry juice, and 1/4 teaspoon ohpw. I used less than 1/4 teaspoon carnivore care (I was told to give somewhat less than 1/4 teaspoon, and never more than that) with a few drops of milk thistle oil. I did it this way so it doesn't taste like any one thing, and the taste of the carnivore care (which smells a lot like apple cider vinegar) is well hidden. I have put her off of some foods before by trying to hide medicine in it.

She didn't eat all of it, but it appears she did not need to. She is also going poop again after being started on a laxative. I am so relieved, though I know we are not altogether out of the woods yet.

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We went back to the vet for a recheck following the emergency vet visit. The vet I have been seeing in this case has recommended I consult with the OSU or A&M regarding Danni's condition, as she cannot tell what specific thing is causing her problems. Danni has also been sneezing on top of everything else...the vet has given me some clavamox to give to her. She listened to her lungs, and there is no fluid in the lungs, everything sounds good, but she sneezed up some clear fluid earlier. X rays do not show anything like a tumor or any other obvious issue.

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You may want to have your regular vet you see for Danni to contact Dr. Tristan.


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I agree with Peggy, have your regular vet contact Dr. Tristan!


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Well, I just spent several minutes watching her shove apple into her face. I will recommend my vet talk to Dr. Tristan. How do I get his contact info?

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He is a very busy man and does not take calls from everyone.


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Or send me your vets number and I can call them with Dr. T's personal number for them to call.


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Thanks!

Update: Dani's weight has stabilized. She will eat plain baked chicken along with her fruits and veggies, but she has an aversion to OHPW now, so bad that I think my suspicion that the batch they had back in July was bad somehow, and was probably what made her sick in the first place must be true. Right now, she wants nothing to do with HPW at all. frown But at least she is keeping her weight stable and eating the chicken!

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Seeing as you were feeding the original HPW, why not get in touch with Peggy at Critterlove@Critterlove.com and have her send you a sample of Critterlove Plus or Complete.

See if she will eat that. Otherwise you may want to consider TPG.


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Peggy sent me a free sample of complete...and her aversion to HPW is so strong now that she won't touch it! I tried changing the presentation, mixing it with different juices, and nothing seemed to get her interested in it again. D: I hope this isn't permanent, but I am going to switch to TPG in the meantime.

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I wonder if she got some bad eggs. As Plus and Original both call for eggs.

Just remember to get the vitamins that go with the TPG diet.


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Try to offer it more than just one night. Even if you put other stuff in the cage for her to eat.


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I did. She is really just not interested in it, though her cagemate gobbles it up. I remember the one time I got food poisoning, from some marinara sauce that went bad - I didn't want to even think about eating spaghetti for months afterwards. I think that either the eggs were probably bad in the batch I suspect went bad, or the package with the wombaroo powder maybe sat out for too long on a hot loading dock during transit or something. This was just an unfortunate thing that happened, and we are getting through it as best we can.

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Update...well, she stopped eating the chicken as few days after I posted this. She lost a few more grams, but I think I have decoded a part of the eating delimma...she is definitely still constipated, with a lot of gas. I am sorry for the TMI, but there it is. Is there anything I can do to help her feel better? They don't make GasX for gliders!

But the good news is, I can get her to eat fruits and veggies again...as long as they are FRESH. She turns her nose up at anything frozen, but unfortunately this includes HPW/Critterlove, too, as well as TPG diet. I think that freezer may be due for a thorough cleaning, if the issue is that she just doesn't like the freezer odor. Is there any diet that isn't frozen?

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Have you tried making smaller batches of the Critterlove and serving it fresh?


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Originally Posted By: Feather
Have you tried making smaller batches of the Critterlove and serving it fresh?


I was actually considering doing just that. If it ever thawed (was left out by accident, or if everything in the freezer thawed due to a power outage or something) I was told to not refreeze it, but store it in the fridge and toss it after four days. I will probably end up doing this.

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I just made a tiny batch of critterlove to keep in the fridge. Wish us luck!

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Will she run in the wheel? That's how I got Zoey to work out her gas. Other than that I wouldn't really know how to get rid of it. Maybe get some baby gas drops and dilute it... Have to talk to the vet or ask around if that would be safe.


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Originally Posted By: Kris_N_Zoe
Will she run in the wheel? That's how I got Zoey to work out her gas. Other than that I wouldn't really know how to get rid of it. Maybe get some baby gas drops and dilute it... Have to talk to the vet or ask around if that would be safe.


Did she refuse to eat while gas was a problem? I just can't figure out if she is just being a incredibly picky eater, or if there is something really wrong. The vet seemed to think that the liver issue stemmed from the sudden weight loss, but then she basically told me that all she could do was guess. I am taking them to a different vet tomorrow. I am really 500% done with vets looking at my babies, doing all sorts of tests and x rays, and just shrugging (but happily taking my money into the thousands of dollars.) If they don't know what's wrong, why don't they find out!?

Danni is literally starving herself to death. Sometimes she'll seem to perk up and show interest in her food, and then when I get my hopes up she starts refusing everything again, and it is back to the oral syringe and having to struggle to get anything into her face.


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With the Complete you can make it up as single servings each night.


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Originally Posted By: Srlb
With the Complete you can make it up as single servings each night.


Yeah, that is the plan hopefully if I can get her to eat consistently. I am so scared of losing her.

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With the Complete you can make it up as single servings each night.


Yeah, that is the plan hopefully if I can get her to eat consistently. I am so scared of losing her.


What are the measurements for two gliders? For a four-day batch, I figured 1/16 a cup critterlove complete to to 3/16 a cup of water.

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Well, she has pretty much stopped eating everything on her own. Even mealworms. The vet I am taking her to now thinks it is due to an age related dental issue that he found. Syringe feeding her is a struggle. She just doesn't want to eat. She is down to 105 grams, which still isn't underweight, but it will get there fast if left to her own devices. The vet I was taking her to stopped returning my calls. The vet I am taking her to now is of the opinion that it is just age and there is nothing anyone can do, but she is only six or seven! Outwardly there is nothing wrong, nothing anyone can spot or tell me is the catalyst or the cause. I am literally tearing my hair out over this. I am sure I am hurting her mouth trying to force feed her, but if I don't, she'll die. Can someone please help or give me any kind of advice about this? Has anyone else dealt with long-term force feeding, or this kind of issue? I HATE HATE HATE HATE HATE that no vet seems to have any kind of clue.

Re: Sudden weight loss [Re: sandbat] #1394542
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As hard as it is, there is a reason she has stopped eating. She may look good on the outside, but it is the inside where the issue is the problem lays. As bad as it sounds, you need to stop and think of the quality of life for your baby. I know that is hard to think of, but sometimes, the animal tries to tell us it is their time to go, and by her not wanting to eat, she is possibly telling you its her time. By force feeding her, you may just be putting her through more pain, although unintentional.

The cause may not be able to be found and putting her through a series of testings and sedation's and blood work in her state may not be the thing to do anyway. If vets are not able to perform the proper type of testing, they cannot just keep guessing at what is taking place, especially on an animal, we are all still learning about on a daily matter.

I know this is really hard. I honestly feel horrible for you and for her and for what you both are going through, but please, take into consideration her quality of life. Dont force her to keep fighting if it seems the fight has left her. And please do not hate me for my post. hug2


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Re: Sudden weight loss [Re: Srlb] #1394544
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It's hard to hear a post like Peggy made, however there are times when nothing we do will change the final outcome.

There are times with animals, and even with humans, when they know their time here is over. It is harder on us most of the time than it is on them to let go.

You said she has been dealing with this issue since around the first of July and chances are she was sick before that but hid her illness which means she has been struggling for a long time.

If there were anything more the vets could do, you have to trust they would.

She is tired and is trying to tell you.


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heart hug2 I feel for you and your girl for what you're going through right now. It's hard to face these hard times, know that you have tons of emotional support here. Take the whole situation to your heart, where the welfare of this glider is your priority.

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Re: Sudden weight loss [Re: sandbat] #1394564
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Thank you all.

She is actually drinking a ton of water. She circles her food bowl as if looking for something, then skips it and takes a few sips of water, and goes back up into her pouch. She has done this several times tonight. It's almost as if she is looking for something she wants, and I can't figure out what it is. She won't eat anything I provide. I have been trying to vary the fruits and veggies. I feed sweet potato, spinach, papaya, mango, grapes, all different types of melon, blueberries, apple, and red peppers lately. She went for egg and avocado for a while, then stopped. She went for chicken for a while, then stopped. It's a thing she has been doing - she will go for something for just a few nights, enough for me to get my hopes up, then she won't touch it again.

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Re: Sudden weight loss [Re: sandbat] #1394567
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Have you tried the HPW Peggy sent you again? Not a full portion but just enough to give her another option. If she is drinking water again after you were having to force feed her, I would try getting her to lick yogurt, HPW or something off your finger.

I would think going from force feeding to her having to manage portions on her own might be too much. She has to be in a weakened state. Water isn't going to give her any nutrients at this point.


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Re: Sudden weight loss [Re: KarenE] #1394577
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Originally Posted By: KarenE
Have you tried the HPW Peggy sent you again? Not a full portion but just enough to give her another option. If she is drinking water again after you were having to force feed her, I would try getting her to lick yogurt, HPW or something off your finger.

I would think going from force feeding to her having to manage portions on her own might be too much. She has to be in a weakened state. Water isn't going to give her any nutrients at this point.


They are offered the Critterlove every night along with everything else. It's gone in the morning, but I think Rory is getting it.

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Re: Sudden weight loss [Re: sandbat] #1394579
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Who is 'they'? I thought this very sick glider was yours in your care.


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Re: Sudden weight loss [Re: KarenE] #1394647
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Originally Posted By: KarenE
Who is 'they'? I thought this very sick glider was yours in your care.


Danni and her cagemate Rory. I have had them since 2009. They had another cagemate, Laurie, who passed from severe anemia last year. The vet did bloodwork on Danni just in case it was the same thing, and she was not anemic at the time that the bloodwork was done.

I number crunched the measurements on the critterlove complete until I got the amount which would serve one glider for one meal, and have been mixing that with full-fat yogurt to give to Danni every night via oral syringe since Monday night. She is doing a little bit better than she was. She is still getting liver meds. I was just at my wits' end Monday morning after struggling to force feed her the night before.

But I really do think she is just so adverse to OPHW that she will fight and refuse to eat it. I mixed her food with OHPW that Sunday night and forgot to mix it with something else to disguise the flavor. I apologized to her for trying to force feed her something she clearly hates, and will not do it again.

The most heatbreaking thing about all of this is that she comes down to their food dish every night to see what's there, looks at it and inspects it as if she's trying to see if there's something she wants, and then doesn't eat any of it. It's like she wants to eat, but what she wants isn't there, and she refuses to touch what is there. I'd give her whatever she wanted if I could just figure out what it is.

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SHE'S EATING. :D I just saw her nibbling on some melon. Progress!

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Here is what I think happened.

When the vet gave me the liver meds a few weeks ago, she told me to give them to her once a day, crushed up in her food.

I actually went and researched the meds a week ago when I thought all was lost. Turns out, they have to be given an hour ahead of any meal, or they don't do much good. The vet did not tell me this. These pills are for small dogs up to eight pounds, not gliders (and I am quartering them, so she is not getting a whole pill.) They are mostly milk thistle and SAM-E.

The night I posted that she had stopped eating on her own altogether, I actually did what the directions said. She is starting to bounce back now. I am alternating chicken with with critterlove mixed into yogurt, along with their normal fruits and veggies. So far, so good. I will keep you all posted.

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Re: Sudden weight loss [Re: sandbat] #1394786
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I had posted a weight loss post about a month ago. This sounds exactly like my Roxy. I have been to 3 vets and spent $1400 and no answers. Can't get enough blood for a CBC though and no ultrasound probes small enough. I don't understand how your vet saw an enlarged liver on an x-ray? Digestion is extremely slow. Lots of feces in colon for an extended time. Low specific gravity in urine. Ecoli at one point but it wasn't a clean sample. Been on antibiotics for 6 weeks. None of them will swallow their pride and call Dr. Tristan for help. Did you get yours to call? Mine has gone from over 150 gms to 92. She will not eat anything anymore. She licks the food but then doesn't want it. She drinks a alot. Sometimes she seems constipated (I've seen feces being retracted into her colon), but if it finally comes out it is not hard but normal. I am force feeding her with a syringe. Weird thing is she doesn't act sick otherwise. Runs around like the energizer bunny. What is the liver medication they gave you? Maybe I can get some.

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How did she know she had an enlarged liver? What is the support pill?

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Sent you all the info in PM, but I want to update this thread again, because I want to get all the info together into something like a bullet point list in case something like this ever happens to someone else - because yeah, Danni and Roxy's symptoms are identical. And yes, the liver did show on the X Ray as being enlarged.

The support pill is Denamarin. It was given to me by the vet back at the end of August. It is for small dogs and cats up to 8 pounds. I know posting dosages is a no-no so I won't do that here, but anyone can PM me for specifics. I am going to try to have another vet local to me compound it into something I don't have to crush myself, because the pill quarters go bad quickly when exposed to the open air (they turn gooey and can't be crushed) and I have ended up having to throw nearly half of it out.

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Sandbat,

I have used liquid Milk Thistle in my gliders food before. I used to add a couple drops to each batch of staple.

Maybe that is something you could discuss with your vet. I purchased and GNC Nutrition Center.


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Re: Sudden weight loss [Re: sandbat] #1394866
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I actually use both, and both my gliders get it just in case. I add a few drops to their food each night. The medicine has milk thistle and SAM-E in it. I got mine at Sprouts. It's the non alcohol version.

If I were to switch to milk thistle entirely, how much should I use per glider?

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You would have to discuss that with your vet as far as an individual dose goes.

For adding it to their diet, I just add about 3 or 4 drops per batch of Plus.


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Re: Sudden weight loss [Re: sandbat] #1395678
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We had to help Danni over the Rainbow Bridge 10/27. She seemed to be getting better, but then she stopped drinking and it went downhill very quickly from there.

Thank you for all your support.

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So very sorry. You did everything you could for her. hug2


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