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Breeding Leu's and Mosaics
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10/23/08 03:17 PM
10/23/08 03:17 PM
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Hello all! I have had gliders for 5 years and have been breeding them for about 3 years now (I only have 2 pairs who are my pets ![glider glider](/ubbthreads/images/graemlins/default/littleglider.gif) ) and have been thinking about getting a colored breeding pair for a LOOOONG time now... the first time I saw a pic of a leu I spent the entire day scouring the internet for more! I know that the Leu line is relatively small so finding two leu's to breed together that are not related is fairly difficult... and I know that the mosaics have some sterility issues... but what would you think about a leu/mosaic pair? Does anyone have experience with this combination? What do the joeys look like? Would it be better to have a leu/leu het pair or mosaic/mosaic het pair? I still want to do some more research/planning/saving/looking ![read read](/ubbthreads/images/graemlins/default/read.gif) before I make the decision to buy a pair, but more knowledge can't hurt can it? Inquiring minds want to know! Thanks!
Meghan ~__/> {{ }}
Suggies: Basil, Mausi, Bagheera/Baloo, & the Trio Dogs : Pretzel/Snickers Horse: Nugget RIP: Gato, Pepito, Pepper, and Mowgli Oakley's Glider Site
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Re: Breeding Leu's and Mosaics
[Re: oakley]
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10/23/08 03:41 PM
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princessmegi
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It's fine, so long at their background makes them a good pair. Also, don't breed a mosaic from sterile lines to a leu because that will introduce the mosaic sterility into the leu lines. It needs to be a mosaic from non-sterile lines.
"My doctrine is this: that if we see cruelty or wrong that we have the power to stop, and we do nothing, we make ourselves sharers in the guilt." ~ Anna Sewell, English Novelist
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Re: Breeding Leu's and Mosaics
[Re: princessmegi]
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10/23/08 03:58 PM
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Thank you! I understand the issue with the sterile lines... I would be sure to get a Mosaic from non-sterile lines.
If I were to breed a leu to a Mosaic... would the joeys have color or would they be leus? I am not sure which is dominant...
Meghan ~__/> {{ }}
Suggies: Basil, Mausi, Bagheera/Baloo, & the Trio Dogs : Pretzel/Snickers Horse: Nugget RIP: Gato, Pepito, Pepper, and Mowgli Oakley's Glider Site
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Re: Breeding Leu's and Mosaics
[Re: oakley]
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10/23/08 04:16 PM
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there are enough leu's out there that I believe if you do your research you can find leu/leu het's that are more than 5 generations apart......there is (to my understanding) no mosaic hets as it is a co-dominant gene.....you only need one parent to express the coloring for a 50/50 chance......I know of one breeder who has a mosaic paired to a leu....all the babies have been mosaic 100%leu hets but that is my only knowledge as far as that goes.....I have a mosaic girl who is 100% het for leu but she carries sterility in her lines so she is going with a little wfb boy who has no leu lineage to help breed out (hopefully) the sterility.....hope that helps.... also, the leu is a recessive gene so both parents need to carry the gene in order to have the chance of having a leu baby
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Re: Breeding Leu's and Mosaics
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10/23/08 04:20 PM
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Thank you! That is really helpful, I did not know Mosaic was co-dominant. Then is it possible for a leu to have Mosaic in their genes or is leu simply recessive? In that case I suppose a Leu with a Mosaic and leu het pair would be the best bet? I would like to have leus and Mosaics... ![smile smile](/ubbthreads/images/graemlins/default/smile.gif)
Meghan ~__/> {{ }}
Suggies: Basil, Mausi, Bagheera/Baloo, & the Trio Dogs : Pretzel/Snickers Horse: Nugget RIP: Gato, Pepito, Pepper, and Mowgli Oakley's Glider Site
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Re: Breeding Leu's and Mosaics
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10/23/08 04:20 PM
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To get a leu, the mosaic would have to carry the leu gene. Otherwise babies would be normals or mosaics. They would all be 100% leu hets if one parent is leu. None would BE leu though. Now, if the mosaic were also a het, they could be leu depending on if the mosaic was a 100% het or a lower het. The lower het would have to prove out, making it a 100% het.
"My doctrine is this: that if we see cruelty or wrong that we have the power to stop, and we do nothing, we make ourselves sharers in the guilt." ~ Anna Sewell, English Novelist
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Re: Breeding Leu's and Mosaics
[Re: princessmegi]
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10/23/08 04:21 PM
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If a glider has the mosaic gene, it will be a mosaic. So if you have a leu, it is a leu and there the mosaic gene was not passed onto it.
"My doctrine is this: that if we see cruelty or wrong that we have the power to stop, and we do nothing, we make ourselves sharers in the guilt." ~ Anna Sewell, English Novelist
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Re: Breeding Leu's and Mosaics
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10/23/08 04:26 PM
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If a glider has the mosaic gene, it will be a mosaic. So if you have a leu, it is a leu and there the mosaic gene was not passed onto it.
"My doctrine is this: that if we see cruelty or wrong that we have the power to stop, and we do nothing, we make ourselves sharers in the guilt." ~ Anna Sewell, English Novelist
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Re: Breeding Leu's and Mosaics
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10/23/08 04:39 PM
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Thanks again, I think I understand now.
A mosaic can be a het for leu, but since leu is recessive, for a glider to show the leu color, they cannot be het for anything else.
Also, if I wanted both leu joeys and mosaic joeys, I would have to have a leu glider and a mosaic leu het glider...
right?
Thanks again!
Meghan ~__/> {{ }}
Suggies: Basil, Mausi, Bagheera/Baloo, & the Trio Dogs : Pretzel/Snickers Horse: Nugget RIP: Gato, Pepito, Pepper, and Mowgli Oakley's Glider Site
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Re: Breeding Leu's and Mosaics
[Re: Judie]
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10/23/08 04:57 PM
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Thank you thank you! I really appreciate you sharing your knowledge with me!
Meghan ~__/> {{ }}
Suggies: Basil, Mausi, Bagheera/Baloo, & the Trio Dogs : Pretzel/Snickers Horse: Nugget RIP: Gato, Pepito, Pepper, and Mowgli Oakley's Glider Site
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Re: Breeding Leu's and Mosaics
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10/23/08 05:54 PM
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I allowed one of my pet pairs to breed...one is a Leu, one a Mosaic/100% leu het. They have had one set of joey's..both leu's.
Karin
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Re: Breeding Leu's and Mosaics
[Re: BeckiT]
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10/24/08 02:43 AM
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Oooooo! Babies ![smile smile](/ubbthreads/images/graemlins/default/smile.gif) HOw exciting. You have to post pictures as soon as they come oop! I can't wait ![jump jump](/ubbthreads/images/graemlins/default/multi.gif)
Meghan ~__/> {{ }}
Suggies: Basil, Mausi, Bagheera/Baloo, & the Trio Dogs : Pretzel/Snickers Horse: Nugget RIP: Gato, Pepito, Pepper, and Mowgli Oakley's Glider Site
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Re: Breeding Leu's and Mosaics
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10/25/08 01:13 PM
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Re: Breeding Leu's and Mosaics
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10/27/08 08:56 PM
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I myself own a Double Het whose name is Schezwan (Leucistic/WF Blonde). She is paired to a standard colored 100% Leu Het male named Pai and she produces Leucistic, WF Blonde and the standard gray 100% Leu Hets.
xD Those are Louie's grandparents! He just produced a WFB baby, so the line continues! Until he gets snipped, like his daddy... hehehehe. ![dance dance](/ubbthreads/images/graemlins/default/dance.gif) Make sure the ones you get are from outstanding lines! If you plan on breeding, don't skimp on quality! I've decided that I like rescuing... so for me any will be welcome, but when it comes to breeding, quality of line, temperament, and health are of utmost importance! Good luck!
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Re: Breeding Leu's and Mosaics
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10/27/08 10:39 PM
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I have a male Leu paired with a Platinum Mosaic female, and they just had a beautiful male WF Platinum Mosaic Ringtail/100% Leu Het. http://i21.photobucket.com/albums/b284/Chic1956/103.jpghttp://i21.photobucket.com/albums/b284/Chic1956/104.jpg
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Re: Breeding Leu's and Mosaics
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10/27/08 11:38 PM
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Beautiful is an understatement!!!
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Re: Breeding Leu's and Mosaics
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10/28/08 02:38 PM
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awwwww.... what a cutie! You can come live with me, little darlin'!!!!! xD
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Re: Breeding Leu's and Mosaics
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10/28/08 03:26 PM
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