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Report By North American Sugar Glider Association

Posted By: Anonymous

Report By North American Sugar Glider Association - 06/16/08 11:16 PM

[not_supported_link]/Beware_Glider_Chat_Rooms2.htm


That site is for all who would love to be caught up on what happens on most glider chat forums.

Many people have experienced the brutality and the meanness people have exposed to other glider members on most forums, or through private email beyond the chat rooms. I Found this article to be very eye opening, and disturbingly TRUE! Thought Id share!!!

(It also has to do with USDA, LAWS and why people might attack you on these forums)
Posted By: Anonymous

Re: Report By North American Sugar Glider Association - 06/16/08 11:21 PM

Oh I have to agree EVERYONE needs to read this.
Pass it around
Posted By: princessmegi

Re: Report By North American Sugar Glider Association - 06/16/08 11:22 PM

I agree as well, it was quite amusing.
Posted By: MatchMakerMagic

Re: Report By North American Sugar Glider Association - 06/16/08 11:22 PM

Wow, funny those are direct quotes from the Perfect Pocket Pet (PPP mill breeders) emails/website. Talk about bad information!
Posted By: ValkyrieMome

Re: Report By North American Sugar Glider Association - 06/16/08 11:28 PM

Consider the source. I mean the original poster, not the so-called authoritarian website.

Anyone who thinks they can get vet info on the internet SHOULD be warned to think twice. But ... most of those who warn away from chat sites are those who wish the buyer to be brainwashed that "their way" is the "only way."

Such as ... Perfect Pocket Pets for example. If you learn the real and healthy way to care for your gliders, PPP is out of that money. They want you to stay misinformed!
Posted By: pappy1264

Re: Report By North American Sugar Glider Association - 06/16/08 11:35 PM

Ok, I about fell out of my chair laughing while I read this (and almost crying at the same time!) Wow, amazing the legnths these people will go to try to keep their hold on unsuspecting people!! (Ok, which one of you painted your windows black and is hiding under a blanket??? lol)
Posted By: cinnamonstix

Re: Report By North American Sugar Glider Association - 06/16/08 11:43 PM

Not sure why you are bringing that here.

NORMAL forum members here...search WHOIS info on PPP website and this NASGA site they are the SAME...I do not know why Terris Petting Zoo is sticking up for PPP but that is her own choice I guess.
Posted By: Usha77

Re: Report By North American Sugar Glider Associat - 06/16/08 11:58 PM

Oh My goodness!! That was one of the most ridiculous things I have ever read. And you notice that they are totally ripping apart GC and yet you posted it here? shakehead
Posted By: Trigger

Re: Report By North American Sugar Glider Associat - 06/17/08 12:11 AM

OMG take that mess down the road. If I want to read the comics I'll go get a newspaper.
Posted By: angelic4296

Re: Report By North American Sugar Glider Association - 06/17/08 12:12 AM

UM, look at one of their sources...Glider University...enough said.
Posted By: pappy1264

Re: Report By North American Sugar Glider Association - 06/17/08 12:18 AM

Hmmmm, you aren't one of the people that did the 'investigative reporting' are you??? lol
Posted By: angelic4296

Re: Report By North American Sugar Glider Association - 06/17/08 12:20 AM

LOLOLOL, no it's right there as a source in the article...I snorted so hard I laughed when I read this b/c so much of it
Posted By: angelic4296

Re: Report By North American Sugar Glider Association - 06/17/08 12:20 AM

seems to refer to GC....
Posted By: Anonymous

Re: Report By North American Sugar Glider Association - 06/17/08 12:21 AM

I just came across the website. I know lots of people who've experienced the slander/attacking/misuse of the forums. thought Id share the website to let everyone know who's been attacked, there not the only ones apperently.
Posted By: pappy1264

Re: Report By North American Sugar Glider Association - 06/17/08 12:21 AM

lol....that wasn't directed at you, angelic, but at the person who first posted it....
Posted By: angelic4296

Re: Report By North American Sugar Glider Association - 06/17/08 12:22 AM

lol oh alright, my bad...
Posted By: Anonymous

Re: Report By North American Sugar Glider Associat - 06/17/08 12:24 AM

Wow so much junk that i was amazed!!!! shock
Posted By: ValkyrieMome

Re: Report By North American Sugar Glider Association - 06/17/08 12:26 AM

The people who are "attacked" are the people who harm gliders. Such as Mill Breeders like Perfect Pocket Pets, and many many many others.

Don't harm gliders ... you won't get attacked!

Besides! No one gets attacked here on GC! We are far too helpful and friendly for that!
Posted By: pappy1264

Re: Report By North American Sugar Glider Association - 06/17/08 12:27 AM

It doesn't say 'whose been attacked'. It is (IMHO) someone's attempt to undermine the groups. I believe (again, my opinion) that this is a way for these mill breeders that sell at trade shows and whatnot, to try to counter the heat they are beginning to feel. People are catching on to them and they fear losing all those $$$$, so what better way then strike back the only way they can. Make people doubt. Personally, everything I have learned here (in regards to care, diet, etc) for my gliders, I HAVE gone over with my vet (who has tons of glider experience). Having people who HAVE purchased from these breeders (and ended up with either very sick, very young or both gliders, many, sadly, that did not make it) is proof enough for me that these places are MILL BREEDERS and only interested in money. Funny how they try to turn everything around.....JMHO.
Posted By: Anonymous

Re: Report By North American Sugar Glider Association - 06/17/08 12:32 AM

I am going to have to duct tape my lap top closed!!!
Posted By: Anonymous

Re: Report By North American Sugar Glider Association - 06/17/08 12:43 AM

ROFL Yep Pappy, that's just what I said too....we must be starting to make them sweat if they would go to such lengths to discredit us. The difference between them and us is that we have DOCUMENTABLE proof of the things we've said. We have actual veterinarian case studies on gliders they have examined in MULTIPLE states from MULTIPLE sources. It's not our word against theirs. It is the word of many veterinarians against theirs. And, I LOVED the part where now they're saying that if a vet hasn't seen 300+ gliders then they have no business giving out infomation on glider care....ROFL.

Yea, I got a great chuckle out of that "article" if you can call it that. It's nothing but propoganda written by someone with lots to lose by the mill breeder project. NO ONE gets "attacked" for no reason. If people would be who and what they say they are, there would be no reason to question their integrity. People can accuse me of things all day long...they would be hard pressed to prove anything because there is nothing to prove. Those who do wrong, ALWAYS leave a trail that is easy enough to follow and put the pieces together.
Posted By: cinnamonstix

Re: Report By North American Sugar Glider Association - 06/17/08 12:46 AM

No guys...ignore her. This is who my rescue gliders came from and this is all just drama that a local breeder and her friends are trying to stir up. Nothing more. The site is linked to PPP directly and it is just garbage.
Posted By: Anonymous

Re: Report By North American Sugar Glider Association - 06/17/08 12:48 AM

Originally Posted By: suggiemom
Those who do wrong, ALWAYS leave a trail that is easy enough to follow and put the pieces together.


And when cornered, they have to resort to scare tactics and hypocrisy - like informing people that glider forums and sites aren't to be trusted by posting...this info...on their glider site. "Don't listen to anyone else. Just listen to us. Only we know the truth!!!" It's like listening to a cult.

And I know I've seen over half of those "family photos" on other people's websites. Who the heck are these people?
Posted By: Anonymous

Re: Report By North American Sugar Glider Association - 06/17/08 12:53 AM

Originally Posted By: cinnamonstix
No guys...ignore her. This is who my rescue gliders came from and this is all just drama that a local breeder and her friends are trying to stir up. Nothing more. The site is linked to PPP directly and it is just garbage.


Huh? Ive never adopted out or sold a sugar glider in my life? I just know people who go through drama.
Posted By: thefotokat

Re: Report By North American Sugar Glider Association - 06/17/08 12:56 AM

I will agree that it sounds like the first email ppp sends out to buyers the day after they get their glider. It also warns them to avoid the boards. I have learned so much from fellow owners. I, too, have discussed it all w/my vet. In order to learn, we have to share. We each bring something special to the boards and be discussing our ideas and knowledge we all learn and our gliders benefit. People who are afraid of being exposed for their deeds tend to try to distract and try to cause trust issues. The sad thing is that gliders will suffer because of it. People will be so afraid of not knowing who to ask. We can only hope anyone who reads that can sense the manipulation used and run away from it.
Posted By: Xglider

Re: Report By North American Sugar Glider Association - 06/17/08 01:00 AM

The people I have met from the boards have changed they way I looked at gliders … taught me about bonding .. so that I have loving and sweet gliders … about diets so that I have healthy gliders … about cages … and so much more .. and so many have become TRUE and REAL friends …
Posted By: Anonymous

Re: Report By North American Sugar Glider Association - 06/17/08 01:05 AM

Originally Posted By: thefotokat
I will agree that it sounds like the first email ppp sends out to buyers the day after they get their glider. It also warns them to avoid the boards. I have learned so much from fellow owners. I, too, have discussed it all w/my vet. In order to learn, we have to share. We each bring something special to the boards and be discussing our ideas and knowledge we all learn and our gliders benefit. People who are afraid of being exposed for their deeds tend to try to distract and try to cause trust issues. The sad thing is that gliders will suffer because of it. People will be so afraid of not knowing who to ask. We can only hope anyone who reads that can sense the manipulation used and run away from it.


That was so beautifully written, so well said. I'm just gonna shut up and go away now. You win. hug2

Posted By: glidergrl1513

Re: Report By North American Sugar Glider Association - 06/17/08 01:08 AM

roflmao Well, thanks for the laugh! I gotta say, though - I NEVER want to be a part of one of those "smear campaigns." That sounds disgusting!!

I especially like the part where they say that if you haven't raised at least 30 gliders, you couldn't possibly know what you're talking about. I wasn't aware that mills knew more about bonding, diet, health, or ethics than I did!
Posted By: Anonymous

Re: Report By North American Sugar Glider Association - 06/17/08 01:17 AM

I think my favorite part was where they said that shipping a single sugar glider causes giardia. Either that or the bit where they explained that if you're paying less than a couple hundred dollars for the glider alone you're getting a too-old baby that can never bond foisted upon you by an unscrupulous breeder getting rid of unwanted stock. It was intended to be comedy, right?

Seriously, given my own background, I have a good amount of faith in my ability to figure out who knows what they're talking about and who's full of it. I'm content that there are a lot of intelligent people on these forums dedicated to learning more about gliders and trying to get them the best care possible, whether the gliders in question are multi-thousand-dollar critters or half-dead mill rescues. That's good enough for me.

Also, I have an awesome glider vet who consults with other specialist glider vets across the country, and she's always very happy with the condition of my babies and the care I give them. If what I've learned here makes my glider vet happy then all's well in my book.
Posted By: cinnamonstix

Re: Report By North American Sugar Glider Association - 06/17/08 01:34 AM

I am sure I can talk to a mod who would remember who you are and the last time you were on here causing drama directly with me and bashing me when it was you who sold me a sick glider but you were pretending to be someone else. Now you are here to protect your breeder friend who dug herself a grave in the breeding industry in MN and is not allowed on GC anymore...we don't want your drama and bologna here so please take it elsewhere. grin
Posted By: Donnarae

Re: Report By North American Sugar Glider Association - 06/17/08 01:48 AM

Forums are like this, though. I've belonged to several forums that started out friendly, informative, and very helpful, but sooner or later the bullies moved in and took over. I still learned all I could about the Forum's topic.(in this case, Soapmaking) When it got too hot to handle, a new forum opened up and the fun and friendliness started all over, til next time.

I try to take Forum advice and information with a hold on common sense no matter what the topic. If it doesn't sound right, I do some research for myself. My experiences are just that, my own experiences and not to be passed along as the absolute and only way something should be done.

I've learned so much from this forum and the experiences of other Sugar Glider owners that I come here first if I have any questions. I like to share my experiences also.

Posted By: Dancing

Re: Report By North American Sugar Glider Association - 06/17/08 01:55 AM

Well, I've raised that many and I HAVE over 40 gliders in my home right now so I guess I, by their standards, do know what I'm talking about and what they have in that "article" is garbage!

Pure and simple...they, PPP and their "distributors" are feeling the heat and now are trying to discourage others from finding the help for their little gliders purchased from flea markets (and other type venues) when that glider is proven to be too young or ill. YEP! Better to NOT seek help and let the glider die so they will return to PPP and buy more! WHAT A GRAND PLAN!
Posted By: Anonymous

Re: Report By North American Sugar Glider Associat - 06/17/08 01:57 AM

Hmmm... I find it odd that you seem to know so much about our forum, new member. You seem to be old hat at this whole "forum" thing. Plus, mods can look up your IP address and see exactly who you are, so no use pretending to be someone else. nopity

That said, I found that article to be ridiculous, quite honestly. Glider Central members have been NOTHING but helpful to me, and I am so grateful that such a wonderful and caring community exists. Glider Central is the reason I am soooo happy with my gliders! They taught me infinite amounts about their care, and without them, I might have given up on my biter, Keito. As it stands, he's now the sweetest boy in the world!
Posted By: USMom

Re: Report By North American Sugar Glider Association - 06/17/08 02:01 AM

Only a tyrant wants no opinions other than their own spoken.

I have disagreed with people here, and have gone back and changed my stance...because I LEARNED something from that disagreement.

I have raised gliders to adult hood, 8 wks to 4 years old, I have gliders of all ages, from 6 months to 11 years old, and I have had more than 30, sometimes more than 30 at one time. So, I guess I'm an expert. agree You should all bow to me, and not listen to anyone else, because obviously I know what I'm talking about! roflmao Yeah, right! LOL The more I learn, the less I know.

This is garbage. By the way, what single diet are we pushing here, I want to be on the bandwagon, too.
Posted By: Anonymous

Re: Report By North American Sugar Glider Associat - 06/17/08 02:02 AM

Just looked up this quote by gliderdad. Whether it qualifies or not is not up to me, but thought I'd post this anyways.

"We have repeatedly told the members of GliderCENTRAL we do not want any drama being brought and posted here. Well for the most part some have listened, and others haven't and that is getting out of hand. Failing to abide by our requests are a violation of rule 4. Yes we all know there is drama everywhere. GliderCENTRAL will not be the mid grounds for everyone to post about the drama no matter what it is or who is saying it. GliderCENTRAL is here for one reason and one reason only, to help the gliders and there owners and nothing more. Drama only takes away from gliders and their owners who need help. We have asked many times to leave the drama off, but it seems that some are just not listening. So now what’s going to happen now? If you make a post about the drama, feed into the drama posts, instead of hitting the notify mod button so the post can be reviewed and removed, your account will be suspended for a period of time to be determined by the admins. We do not care what drama anyone is saying about anything, the bottom line is do not post about the drama here at GliderCENTRAL. This is not being done to keep people from talking, it is being done because we do not want drama here. We are sorry to have to do this, but we tried to ask nicely but that failed. KarenE even made a similar post earlier today stating
Originally Posted By: KarenE
The Owners of GliderCENTRAL have made it very clear they do not want the drama from any other board brought here.

Any and all posts will be removed. Further violations could result in the loss of posting privileges for a time to be determined by Administration.

The only difference between her post and mine, is the owners and admin have decided to change the wording from
Quote:
Further violations could result in the loss of posting privileges for a time to be determined by Administration.


to
Quote:
Further posts WILL result in the loss of posting privileges for a time to be determined by Administration.


We do not enjoy it and we hate having to ban members, but nothing else is working."
Posted By: USMom

Re: Report By North American Sugar Glider Association - 06/17/08 02:03 AM

Teresa, we were posting at the same time! roflmao roflmao roflmao
Posted By: Anonymous

Re: Report By North American Sugar Glider Associat - 06/17/08 02:03 AM

Originally Posted By: pappy1264
Ok, I about fell out of my chair laughing while I read this (and almost crying at the same time!) W)


thanks for my laugh for the day......what nincompoops!!!!!
Posted By: Anonymous

Re: Report By North American Sugar Glider Associat - 06/17/08 02:05 AM

Well... I must say, I have felt attacked A LOT, here on GC! I've been attacked with love, amazing information, great tips for helping me know more about the wonderful baby girls Im bringing into my home, attacked with great new friends, and so on! You know what? I would not have it any other way! laugh You guys can "attack" me with more of your wonderful experience any time! agree

I was reading that and I was like.... what? Are they serious? I had to re-read several things because I thought I was reading them wrong! roflmao

Posted By: pappy1264

Re: Report By North American Sugar Glider Associat - 06/17/08 02:06 AM

I was laughing at how ridiculous it is (and crying because I fear some may actually fall for it and not look any further to find how to care for their gliders....)
Posted By: Dancing

Re: Report By North American Sugar Glider Associat - 06/17/08 02:10 AM

I don't see this thread as drama...I see it as entertainment. After the month I've had, I needed the laugh so I thank you!

Oh...and I think my own count is somewhere around 250 gliders through my home (counting the ones still here). I could be off a bit though...Joe insists it has been more than that.

And Magic...we only help because of the money we all receive every month for our services to the public.

Whooo hoooo! I can take all that money and add a dollar to it and go get me a cup of coffee!!!!!!!! At this rate, I'll be able to retire in no time!
Posted By: Anonymous

Re: Report By North American Sugar Glider Associat - 06/17/08 02:11 AM

agree The saddest thing was, they mixed it in with some truth about glider care, so that it LOOKS credible... clever, but oh so stupid.
Posted By: Anonymous

Re: Report By North American Sugar Glider Associat - 06/17/08 02:14 AM

WOW, that article was a bunch of junk!!! If I hadn't of come across this website I don't think my Pinky would have lived!
Posted By: Anonymous

Re: Report By North American Sugar Glider Association - 06/17/08 02:33 AM

Originally Posted By: cinnamonstix
I am sure I can talk to a mod who would remember who you are and the last time you were on here causing drama directly with me and bashing me when it was you who sold me a sick glider but you were pretending to be someone else. Now you are here to protect your breeder friend who dug herself a grave in the breeding industry in MN and is not allowed on GC anymore...we don't want your drama and bologna here so please take it elsewhere. grin




Ive defended people yes. Pretended to be someone im not? no.

And as far as breeder friend? No ones dug a hole? what are you even talking about?
Posted By: cinnamonstix

Re: Report By North American Sugar Glider Association - 06/17/08 02:39 AM

Alligning yourself with the notorious PPP is the worst thing that ANY breeder can do. That is their own business though so be it.
Posted By: ValkyrieMome

Re: Report By North American Sugar Glider Associat - 06/17/08 02:40 AM

Originally Posted By: Dancing
we only help because of the money we all receive every month for our services to the public.


Coffee for everyone! Dancing's buying! She's been really gabby this month - so her rebate is bigger than mine!

Plus ... frown

I don't have 30 gliders .... so I'm dumb.
Posted By: Ellen

Re: Report By North American Sugar Glider Associat - 06/17/08 02:44 AM

This is goofy!!! And someone wasted alot of time. OH well, something has to always cause drama.
Posted By: Anonymous

Re: Report By North American Sugar Glider Associat - 06/17/08 02:45 AM

lmao, Alden. Is 16 not enough? Geez, if I had enough hours in the day, I'd have that many, but.... wink
You have no authority to direct us in the ways of glider care, you with only 16 gliders! For shame! roflmao
*sigh* It's a shame, isn't it?

Oh, and Squirreldo, or whatever the sn was ( wink ) I simply believe that 6 posts is not enough to judge GC by. If you've been receiving PM flames, you must've had another account, as I looked at your posts, and ALL of them are on this thread.

Edit:
Originally Posted By: SquirrelyDo
[not_supported_link]/Beware_Glider_Chat_Rooms2.htm
Many people have experienced the brutality and the meanness people have exposed to other glider members on most forums, or through private email beyond the chat rooms. I Found this article to be very eye opening, and disturbingly TRUE!


Found this so you couldn't say that you didn't claim this. Unless you've been taking polls of GC members, and I don't think you have, then your information MUST be based on personal experience, therefore validating the theory that you are an ex-member. wink

Edit again: lol, just as a note, I've been on every glider forum I could find, and this IS the most active one. The second most active one hasn't had one post since early this morning. If the members aren't active, it's hard to get an accurate impression on the board, which leads me to believe that you have been on this PARTICULAR board before.
Posted By: ValkyrieMome

Re: Report By North American Sugar Glider Associat - 06/17/08 02:47 AM

Originally Posted By: SquirrelyDo
Ive defended people yes. Pretended to be someone im not? no. And as far as breeder friend? No ones dug a hole? what are you even talking about?


Since Gwen's reply was in response to Soh, and didn't mention you or quote you at all ... why are you so quick to jump in and proclaim your innocence?

GC has no place for people who support PPP. But ... I have found it to be a place where even people such as Ron Wright can come and voice their opinions and beliefs, as long as they do so respectfully. Even those who represent far more notorious mill breeders have appeared here and stated their case. Politely.

But ... you have to know, SquirrelyDo, that this site is "for the good of the glider". No one here is going to take the advice of an ill-reputed mill breeder, or a breeder of rescues, or some fly-by-the-seat-of-the-pants "Association" over the documented and proven manner to care for gliders.

Defend who and what you will - anyone! But ... if it isn't in gliders' best interests, no one here will follow your lead.
Posted By: Anonymous

Re: Report By North American Sugar Glider Associat - 06/17/08 02:49 AM

im amazed they didnt include the part about our demon worship and ritualistic glider sacrifices

smile
Posted By: Anonymous

Re: Report By North American Sugar Glider Associat - 06/17/08 02:56 AM

Originally Posted By: super_stooge
im amazed they didnt include the part about our demon worship and ritualistic glider sacrifices

smile


roflmao
Don't forget the part where we bake the little ones into cakes and feed them to the homeless. That way, we are able to say it is for, "the good of the people". dance
Posted By: Anonymous

Re: Report By North American Sugar Glider Associat - 06/17/08 02:59 AM

Originally Posted By: super_stooge
im amazed they didnt include the part about our demon worship and ritualistic glider sacrifices

smile


When is the next demon-worshipping session, anyhow? I think I missed last week's... roflmao
Posted By: Anonymous

Re: Report By North American Sugar Glider Associat - 06/17/08 03:02 AM

That was very well said, Alden! clap
Posted By: Ellen

Re: Report By North American Sugar Glider Associat - 06/17/08 03:07 AM

Alright guys, this is turning into a DRAMA post.

We should be used to this now. Since GU does this all the time.

If we can't see this for what it is and members start attacking each other then I WILL close this.

I believe in freedom of speech, but you must taper this in what is real and unreal.

I am sure they are monitoring us now.

This is goofy. Don't let it take us apart.
Posted By: cinnamonstix

Re: Report By North American Sugar Glider Associat - 06/17/08 03:18 AM

Originally Posted By: Mio

Oh, and Squirreldo, or whatever the sn was ( wink ) I simply believe that 6 posts is not enough to judge GC by. If you've been receiving PM flames, you must've had another account, as I looked at your posts, and ALL of them are on this thread.


Oh she had other posts but they were directly bashing me and they were removed. That explains why her count and what is actually showing up is less than her overall count. Also she was sending out PM's about me, bashing me to people I was associating with on here. Mods notified her last time she was an issue. No life and almost kicked from here for the last ruckus. I though it was over I mean geesh I got these gliders last August...getting close to a year now but whatever if immature people want to create drama they will not be on GC. Sure they can register again but IP's are logged and so hopefully Eddie or another mod will catch it since they do so wonderfully at it.
Posted By: Anonymous

Re: Report By North American Sugar Glider Associat - 06/17/08 03:18 AM

I find it a little odd that I posted something about this same web site and article yesterday..and then a new member posts about the same thing? Could be a coincidence, maybe not.

I'm 27 gliders short of being an expert...bummer. All I can do is take the things I learned from this forum and pass it on to people who want to learn more about the care of these animals. I had 2 people email me the past 2 days, people who had went to my web site and thanked me for all the information I had on the site (which I mention I learned from other glider owners, and not me mentioning I'm some fantastic "expert"). I, in turn told them about this forum and how I recieve a lot of great advice and learn something new everyday about gliders. I also suggested they come here and read up, become a member and get more help if they need it.

I am just glad I found this site and was welcomed!! I hate to think what kind of lives my babies would be having right now if I didn't research several sites online and bought a book on their care.

There's that saying "if it sounds too good to be true...." People should keep that in mind when dealing with mills and mill breeders and PPP...as we all know caring for suggies isn't always easy or a walk in the park, and that's always the ONE thing they leave out of their selling tactics.

Bottom line is....we're not here to brag, or get all egotistical on how much we know about gliders. We come here "for the good of the glider". You can't say it any better than that!!
Posted By: Ellen

Re: Report By North American Sugar Glider Associat - 06/17/08 03:43 AM

No more drama on this board. LOL I am the only one on now and I am sorry guys that you all bought into this.

Remember this is going to happen often. They are trying to cause conflict with us and it seems they are doing it.

So I am going to close this now as I DO NOT LIKE DRAMA unless unless our members have some.

These are what Eddie would call spiders. They just look for things to say to disrupt a board. But not ours.

If you want to start another post feel free to do so. But as Owner of this board I can't let this go on.

This will be closed now..... Sorry, read the rules

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