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Part 2: "Platinum" Can Mean 2 Different Things?

Posted By: LSardou

Part 2: "Platinum" Can Mean 2 Different Things? - 06/24/09 01:01 PM

See Part 1 here
Posted By: IowaMisty

Re: Part 2: "Platinum" Can Mean 2 Different Things? - 06/24/09 02:39 PM

I must say I really didn't think that adding the names to the Platinum (i.e. Haley Platinum, Silverbell Platinum) was the best solution. I was really on board with changing the mosaics to "platinum-colored" or "silver". But I think it's already been (or is being) changed in Priscilla's database & that's what she & Sheila decided. I do like Shelly's idea of shortening it to S-Platinum or H-Platinum or SH-Platinum & then just putting a disclaimer about what that means.

That being said, I think maybe Priscilla is ALSO (correct me if I'm wrong) changing or has changed the mosaics in her database to say "platinum colored". If you look at Mac, his pedigree now says "platinum colored mosaic".
http://www.thepetglider.com/pedigree/modules/animal/pedigree.php?pedid=63

I tend to think of myself as (not an expert but) decently knowledgeable and able to follow this stuff. I don't know exactly how Mac was listed before, but I must have either not noticed the word "mosaic" at all or it wasn't on there or I was just new enough to not know any better & just hadn't really looked at it in a long time. Because until yesterday when I looked at it again, I thought Mac was a platinum. And even after I started this thread & saw y'all talking about all platinums coming out of Silverbell & Haley, I think I was still wondering "What about Mac?" Some of my gliders are out of Mac, but I'm not breeding for Platinum, so this wasn't really an issue for me. But I don't think we should just assume that everyone should know better. It IS important to make sure there's some distinguishing verbiage for platinums & platinum mosaics. I don't think it's right to assume everyone should know the difference. The word is the same. I think to most general people who haven't been studying it, this looks essentially the same as saying WFB and WFB mosaic. Wouldn't you assume the WFB means the same thing in both cases? And rightfully so....because it does. So it's confusing that platinum is being used in two ways & not being explained SOMEhow either by changing the mosaics to "platinum-colored" or changing the Platinums to include the origin....or something.

I'm just saying I'm glad the bigger breeders are doing SOMEthing to change this.

Misty
Posted By: IowaMisty

Re: Part 2: "Platinum" Can Mean 2 Different Things? - 06/24/09 02:40 PM

Oh yeah...and...

I noticed yesterday that Eileen wasn't listed with Ethan any more in the lineage of my gliders & I had wondered why that was. Thanks for explaining Sheila. I don't know if Priscilla's database has this functionality built into it or not, but it would be really nice to receive an email when a change is made that affects the lineage of our gliders.

Misty
Posted By: Anonymous

Re: Part 2: "Platinum" Can Mean 2 Different Things? - 06/24/09 04:13 PM

Yeah, I too was really on board with changing the mosaics to "platinum-colored" or "silver".

I think we needed this to help stop confusion and know if the glider is actually a plat or just a colored plat/silver.


Thank you Sheila and Priscilla' for making that change. smile



However I am not on board with changing things to say Haley or silverbell Plat. line. I just do not see this as being necessary.

That stuff can just be looked up.
Posted By: IowaMisty

Re: Part 2: "Platinum" Can Mean 2 Different Things? - 06/24/09 04:27 PM

I think both changes were made in Priscilla's database already, April. I'm pretty sure the platinum mosaics were changed to "platinum colored mosaics" and the platinums were changed to "Haley Platinum" and "Silverbell Platinum".

I just did a little search on the pedigree database. I don't know if ALL of the gliders have been changed or just some.

Misty
Posted By: Guerita135

Re: Part 2: "Platinum" Can Mean 2 Different Things? - 06/24/09 10:16 PM

Misty, Eileen wasn't the mother to Mickey and Minnie. It was a gray female(no name, I guess?). Sheila just made that announcement the other day on another forum. Ethan was with more then one female.
Posted By: Guerita135

Re: Part 2: "Platinum" Can Mean 2 Different Things? - 06/24/09 10:19 PM

Also, not all Platinums come from Haley or Silverbelle. There have been multiple platinums that came from leu/WF lines that didn't have Haley in them. Sheila has a platinum that came from Mosaic lines with NO Haley in it and then Becca has all her platinums that came from leu lines with no Haley in them either.
Posted By: gliderboy4life

Re: Part 2: "Platinum" Can Mean 2 Different Things? - 06/25/09 04:51 AM

Yes Misty, I went through and changed everything to platinum colored.

The reason in the difference of the lines, is because we are not 100% sure that the 2 lines react yet. Shelly's worked but it may not have been a combination of the 2.
Posted By: Judie

Re: Part 2: "Platinum" Can Mean 2 Different Things? - 06/26/09 01:30 AM

No answered my question as to the Platinum that Jason produced... it is not out of Haley and is out of a mosaic offspring of Taz who was produced by Shakesphere. This mosaic offspring was then sold to Jason and he paired the mosaic to a WF Blonde and together they produced a Platinum. Sheila "purchased" this baby from Jason as a Platinum glider. It is not a Mosaic. This baby has No Haley or FFR gliders in it.

Since there are several Platinums that are being produced and unrelated to Haley or FFR... the color name should just remain as a Platinum. It results from a combination of the Leucistic gene with some of the WF Blonde lineages.
Posted By: Judie

Re: Part 2: "Platinum" Can Mean 2 Different Things? - 06/26/09 01:45 AM

When I purchased Shy Baby who is out of Micky and Minnie... I was told that Micky and Minnie were out of Ethan and Eileen. Now this goes back to May of 2003 as I just pulled Shy Baby's papers for the date.

So now we also have a conflict as to who Ethan was paired to when Mickey and Minnie where produced? Does anyone realize how many Hets those two gliders produced with Ethan and Eileen in the lineages along with Sesamie and Shy Baby? All with Grandparents named Ethan and Eileen?

Posted By: Guerita135

Re: Part 2: "Platinum" Can Mean 2 Different Things? - 06/26/09 02:16 AM

Judie, are you referring to Liani? She's from Miranda(mosaic) and Leo. Miranda is from Paschal(Shakespeare and Amy) and Sunshine(Sunny and Comet). So, she's actually from the Haley line since Comet is from Haley and Mickey. However, she DID have another platinum, Annabelle, from Caspian and Magnolia, neither of which are from the Haley or Silverbelle lines.
Posted By: Judie

Re: Part 2: "Platinum" Can Mean 2 Different Things? - 06/26/09 02:25 AM

I do not know the name of the mosaic that Jason purchased from Sheila. I just know it was paired to a WF Blonde named Phinn or an offspring of his. So, perhaps it was Miranda she sold to Jason.

I tried to find the glider over on Sheila's site but could not locate the glider on her Meet the Family Page.


I do know Jason had a thread here on GC when the little one came oop. with photos.


Posted By: GliderNursery

Re: Part 2: "Platinum" Can Mean 2 Different Things? - 06/26/09 03:16 AM

Jason bought Miranda from Sheila. (I believe he may have changed her name - not sure.) Miranda is a mosaic, and is a full sister to my Bosley that produced my platinum joey Nicky. Her first offspring was a platinum that went to Sheila.

Hope that helps Judie!
Posted By: GliderNursery

Re: Part 2: "Platinum" Can Mean 2 Different Things? - 06/26/09 03:20 AM

BTW - I'm glad some changes are being made, but I still feel that a platinum should just be called a platinum. As Nicole said, look at the lineage to know the lines they came from.

I still think the only change that needs made is to the mosaic lines. I appreciate calling them platinum colored, but calling them silver would completely eliminate any confusion. Its the same as the white mosaics; I'm not aware of anyone calling them leucistic mosaics. They say white, so why not just call the plat mos silver? Seems easy to me, but I'm not the one that need to make any changes either. Just my opinion.
Posted By: GliderNursery

Re: Part 2: "Platinum" Can Mean 2 Different Things? - 06/26/09 03:28 AM

Jason's post about his plat joey is here
Posted By: Judie

Re: Part 2: "Platinum" Can Mean 2 Different Things? - 06/26/09 03:34 AM

Thanks, Shelly. No more confusion. BY the way, your Platinum boy is Beautifull.
Posted By: GliderNursery

Re: Part 2: "Platinum" Can Mean 2 Different Things? - 06/26/09 03:37 AM

Thanks! I just *might* have him with me at the SGGA.
Posted By: Guerita135

Re: Part 2: "Platinum" Can Mean 2 Different Things? - 06/26/09 04:00 AM

Yup, that's the little girl, Liani, Judie. wink

Here's her lineage: http://www.toandfrogliders.com/Download/Downloads_For_Java/liani_gen.html

She's from the Haley line. smile
Posted By: Judie

Re: Part 2: "Platinum" Can Mean 2 Different Things? - 06/26/09 06:26 AM

Got it. Thanks. I also have a brother to Leo. He is the father to my White Mosaic named Picasso.
Posted By: Anonymous

Re: Part 2: "Platinum" Can Mean 2 Different Things? - 06/26/09 09:36 PM

There was another thread just started by Karin, and someone suggested calling the "platinum colored mosaics" Powdered mosaics.

I think that might be a great idea... saying Powdered mosaic if they are born that way, and powered out mosaic if the coloring comes with age.

???

I agree... just because people are now saying Platinum colored? It hasn't changed the confusion to it all. It's the exact same word... and infers a GENE code diluting the color expressed.
Posted By: Judie

Re: Part 2: "Platinum" Can Mean 2 Different Things? - 06/26/09 10:26 PM

The Mosaic is not born powdered. The baby is Platinum or Champagne colored and Powders out as the joey gets older. Mosaics that are Gray do not Powder out.

Since some of the True Platinum and Champagne colored gliders seem to Powder out when older... how can Powdered only be used for the Mosaics Only?
Posted By: Anonymous

Re: Part 2: "Platinum" Can Mean 2 Different Things? - 06/26/09 10:34 PM

It's just a suggestion to get some more creative juices flowing to help come up with a solution that everyone will love.

Obviously the word powedered will strike a nerve with some people, while others will love it.

Hopefully we'll all be able to be open and receptive to a positive change that will ease the apparent confusion of using Platinum in 2 different ways!
Posted By: Anonymous

Re: Part 2: "Platinum" Can Mean 2 Different Things? - 06/26/09 10:36 PM

I thought there were a lot of normal colored mosaics that powder out as they mature.

But I've only viewed in pictures, so can't say first hand for sure. I'd venture a guess from what I've seen, that a lot of the gray colored mosaics do powder out though.
Posted By: BeckiT

Re: Part 2: "Platinum" Can Mean 2 Different Things? - 06/26/09 11:01 PM

Here's my 1st mosaic born here, Miya, she has gotten lighter (powdered out) as she's gotten older, but, I still refer to her as just a ringtail mosaic dunno

(click to make the pics bigger)
Miya as a joey (2 weeks OOP):


Miya@ 11 weeks:


Miya at a week shy of 3 months OOP:


and Miya now:
Posted By: Judie

Re: Part 2: "Platinum" Can Mean 2 Different Things? - 06/26/09 11:05 PM

I have only seen the Powdered Look in Champagne colored Mosaics and in Platinum Colored Mosaics. Never in a Dark colored Mosaic. A mosaic with very little white on it.

Then again... I am a smaller breeder so perhaps I have missed something too? So, I am open to being corrected. roflmao
Posted By: Judie

Re: Part 2: "Platinum" Can Mean 2 Different Things? - 06/26/09 11:17 PM

Well then, we have the same problem with some of the Mosaics Powdering Out as some of the True Platinums do too.

Seems we are back to square one again.

Becci, your little one is Beautifull. One reason I love the Mosaics... each one is different. You never know what color or pattern you will be getting. heart



Posted By: Guerita135

Re: Part 2: "Platinum" Can Mean 2 Different Things? - 06/27/09 12:47 AM

Minimally-marked gray mosaics can definitely powder out to platinum-colored.

Here's Gil when he was younger:


Here he is now, almost platinum-colored:


So, I think that having "powdered" and "powdered out" might just get a bit confusing, especially since you'd then have to go through and change the entries once the gliders are powdered out. :\

Maybe we should just called mosaics "mosaics" and if people want to add what TYPE of mosaic they are, then they could put it in the description.

Although, personally, I like the color description "silver". *shrugs*
Posted By: Judie

Re: Part 2: "Platinum" Can Mean 2 Different Things? - 06/27/09 01:29 AM

So, does the True Platinum become Powdered Looking when it is older also?
Posted By: Anonymous

Re: Part 2: "Platinum" Can Mean 2 Different Things? - 06/27/09 02:02 AM

No, the true platinums are born that way.

The only thing I've noticed with the Platinums is that because they are so light in color, you can see the pouch staining quite easily.. So as they get older, and are away from mom and dad, that staining coloring disappears and makes them look even more silvery. But the color doesn't change... the stain just finally is gone.
Posted By: Sheila

Re: Part 2: "Platinum" Can Mean 2 Different Things? - 06/27/09 03:57 AM

So what do you call this? Powdered or not? lol
Posted By: Sheila

Re: Part 2: "Platinum" Can Mean 2 Different Things? - 06/27/09 04:06 AM

I see many statements here that need correcting. First starting with Mac. Starting on June 3 I decided to add some names to the Pet Glider Data Base. When I started to see the errors, I decided to try and get them corrected. I actually only entered about 5 of my gliders to that database. Many were already added by different people and the lineages were incorrect. In a conversation with Priscilla on the phone just prior to me making these corrections, I told her why the database was wrong giving her two examples - the one about Minnie and Mickey not being out of Ethan and Eileen and the one about Mac not being a platinum. Priscilla had no idea that Ethan was not always with Eileen. She had put in the database that Mac was a platinum and I reminded her that Mac had always produced normal colored gliders and Mosaics. Mac was described to me by Dai, the previous owner as a mosaic.

Nicole, I don't know what you are referring to about another platinum I have produced from a different line. Also, All of Bec's platinum are from Haley lines.

Judie, the glider that Jason purchased from me was a Mosaic 100% Het for Leu, 100% Het for Platinum out of Haley's line. She was Haley's granddaughter.
Posted By: GliderNursery

Re: Part 2: "Platinum" Can Mean 2 Different Things? - 06/27/09 04:15 AM

This dilemma seems so easy to me to fix.

A "True Platinum" would be called a Platinum. This refers to the genetic coloration that everyone understands. (As indicated before, because Platinum is a genetic term it should only be used on a glider with that lineage.)

A "Platinum colored Mosaic" would be called a Silver Mosaic. This is the color only, just like a white mo, or a ringtail mo. That description tells everyone what color the mosaic is and speaks nothing of genetics (other than being a mo).

Let's face it, the platinum-color is silver. Why try to re-invent the terms? The mosaics in question are silver, why not just call them that?

Posted By: Guerita135

Re: Part 2: "Platinum" Can Mean 2 Different Things? - 06/27/09 05:50 AM

Originally Posted By: Sheila

Nicole, I don't know what you are referring to about another platinum I have produced from a different line. Also, All of Bec's platinum are from Haley lines.


Annabelle, from Caspian and Magnolia.

Also, Becca's gliders don't have Haley anywhere in their lineages.
Posted By: Sheila

Re: Part 2: "Platinum" Can Mean 2 Different Things? - 06/27/09 07:02 AM

Bijou is Bailey's brother on the father's side, Piffin is Lil Dipper's sister and on the mother's side, Cereal is there.
Also if you look at Caspian, he has Frodo on his side and also Mum is on Caspian's side and he is out of Blanch a Champagne platinum. I actually think Blanch looks more like a platinum than Silverbell because of her stripe color.
Posted By: Anonymous

Re: Part 2: "Platinum" Can Mean 2 Different Things? - 06/27/09 06:20 PM

So, how about silver mosaics for the mosaics that are born that way, and powdered mosaics for the ones that powder out eventually. ??

It really would be helpful if we could come up with something to clear up the confusion for sure.

Guess time will tell!
Posted By: Sheila

Re: Part 2: "Platinum" Can Mean 2 Different Things? - 06/27/09 07:38 PM

I think Platinum colored works fine. I am sorry there are those that don't like it, but we can't please everyone.
Platinums don't become platinums over time. They are born with it. It is a gene just like a Leu gene and the hets look like normals. If anyone has any question as to whether something is platinum, please email me for verification.
Posted By: Karin

Re: Part 2: "Platinum" Can Mean 2 Different Things? - 06/27/09 08:17 PM

See, this is why I am confused Sheila. If you get a chance, please go look at my thread titled Powdered Mosaic.

You said this earlier in this thread:


"Sil many gliders that are mosaic don't start out as platinum, but become that when they powder out. The breeder can then go back and change it. Not all mosaics powder out."


It seems what you just said seems to be the opposite.

I really am confused!

Karin
Posted By: Sheila

Re: Part 2: "Platinum" Can Mean 2 Different Things? - 06/27/09 09:29 PM

Karin in my post I was referring to a platinum glider, not a mosaic one.
Posted By: Srlb

Re: Part 2: "Platinum" Can Mean 2 Different Things? - 06/27/09 09:50 PM

Sheila, I had asked over in the other thread a question as well. Hopefully you will be able to clear it up for me.

Karin stated that you once told her there was platinum in Prada's line...I looked over Pandoras lineage (Pradas daughter) and I do not see where that would be so. Hoping you can explain it to me so I can understand this stuff a bit better. As I thought only Haley and Silverbelle were the only *true Platinum* lines.

Also, You said you were referring to a platinum glider not a mosaic one, but the part that Karin has highlighted looks like you were talking about a mosaic...

(Slapping myself because now I am confused...thanks Karin... :P)
Posted By: Guerita135

Re: Part 2: "Platinum" Can Mean 2 Different Things? - 06/27/09 10:14 PM

Maybe I'm reading it differently, but it looks like what Sheila is saying is that platinum-colored MOSAICS don't always start out that color, but rather they will powder out to the platinum color as they get older. However, TRUE PLATINUMS do not powder out. They are OOP as platinums.
Posted By: Karin

Re: Part 2: "Platinum" Can Mean 2 Different Things? - 06/27/09 10:30 PM

That works for me, however, calling them Platinum Mosaics (once they powder out), is extremely confusing.

dunno

Karin
Posted By: gliderboy4life

Re: Part 2: "Platinum" Can Mean 2 Different Things? - 06/27/09 10:31 PM

Yes you are correct Nicole, that is what Sheila is saying.

Also, we believe the Haley platinum line is coming from Cereal which was passed down to Bailey(Haley's dad). So Peggy if your glider has any cereal/frodo there is a possibility.

Also, after talking with Susan(FFR) she was able to research in her records and pull out some more lineage to add to our pedigrees. We found out that Blanche is in the line. Before we new this I was always asking if she might be in the pedigree, too me she looks like a platinum, and sure enough she is in the line.
Posted By: Srlb

Re: Part 2: "Platinum" Can Mean 2 Different Things? - 06/27/09 10:55 PM

ok so if that is the case, it would not be correct to say that Haley and Silverbelle are the *Only* true platinum lines, correct?

I hope someone else sees why this is so confusing....
Posted By: Guerita135

Re: Part 2: "Platinum" Can Mean 2 Different Things? - 06/27/09 11:14 PM

Well, if theories are correct then, technically, the lines would be called "Blanch" and "Cereal". However, I think they're just being named after the first platinums that were RECOGNIZED as platinums.
Posted By: Sheila

Re: Part 2: "Platinum" Can Mean 2 Different Things? - 06/28/09 01:13 AM

Nicole, I am not sure that Silverbell is a platinum at all. I think she is a light glider and possibly a beautiful Champagne. She is however in the lineage of Dandy. Silverbelle is Dandy's mother and there is a good possibility that Blanch is his grandmother. Susan got Blanch later in life and she did not have that many babies for her. Some of her records on the old computer were destroyed. She is going to see if the oop date for Chester is the same as Mums. We know for certain that Blanch was Mum's mother. Susan said if she kept Chester to go with her colored breeding program he must have been lighter than a normal and that is why she would have kept him. Hopefully she will get to her records soon and get back to me as to whether they were born the same day. Also being older, she may not have bred for a while and she could have switched males with her.
Posted By: Sheila

Re: Part 2: "Platinum" Can Mean 2 Different Things? - 06/28/09 01:14 AM

Nicole what you are saying in my response to Karin is correct. Karin, can you email me your lineage.
Posted By: Sheila

Re: Part 2: "Platinum" Can Mean 2 Different Things? - 06/28/09 01:24 AM

I just found Prada's lineage. It is Schezwan that is out of Sunny and Pixie. At one time we thought that Pixie might be a het for Platinum because her sister produced one. That was probably 1-2 years ago I mentioned that to Karin. I think that Sunny is most likely a het because of the number of platinums that Comet has produced. She has had 11 joeys and three have been platinum and one Leucistic which I believe to be a platinum also. That Leucistic has had three platinum grandchildren produced. Now because it has been two more years and Schezwan has not produced any platinums, I would say there is a slim chance that Prada carries the gene.
Posted By: Judie

Re: Part 2: "Platinum" Can Mean 2 Different Things? - 06/28/09 01:28 AM

And "Sunny" is out of Sandman and Sesamie. Sandman is out of Cereal.

Sandman WFB and Sprite WFB... Sprite was out of Ole Yeller and Blanch. And I think Peggy has one of those babies from me.



Edited post due to typing error of name.
Posted By: Sheila

Re: Part 2: "Platinum" Can Mean 2 Different Things? - 06/28/09 01:29 AM

Judie, you mean Sunny cloud9
Posted By: Judie

Re: Part 2: "Platinum" Can Mean 2 Different Things? - 06/28/09 01:32 AM

Silly me. Yes, I meant to type Sunny.
Posted By: Judie

Re: Part 2: "Platinum" Can Mean 2 Different Things? - 06/28/09 01:48 AM

The offspring of "Schezwan" have never been sold as Possible Platinum Hets. So, they probably have not been paired to produce Platinums. Remember, most of the males are altered and sold as Pets as WFB.

I have been sitting over here with my Cereal Gliders along with Schezwan, for years... and never did I know till recently that that any of them may be carriers of the Platinum Gene. Not till Jason did a paring with some of my wfb offspring that were paired to a glider that was a Het for Platinum out of one of Sheila's gliders did a I get a hint as to what was the connection to producing the Platinums.

??????
Posted By: Sheila

Re: Part 2: "Platinum" Can Mean 2 Different Things? - 06/28/09 02:11 AM

Schezwan had the potential of producing platinum with her mate and she did not so I would assume that she does not carry the gene.
Posted By: Karin

Re: Part 2: "Platinum" Can Mean 2 Different Things? - 06/28/09 03:05 AM

(I don't know how you two do this smile ).

Ok, but daddy (Armani) is out of Sprite and Lucius. Is that the same Sprite?

Karin
Posted By: Srlb

Re: Part 2: "Platinum" Can Mean 2 Different Things? - 06/28/09 04:22 AM

Quote:
And I think Peggy has one of those babies from me.


Judie, I dont have any babies from you. I do have some from others that have gotten babies from you though. Like Snuggle is actually from Streak and Scooter (Who I got from CKB) who is from Gabby and Tai Pan.

Sheila, thank you for clearing that up for me. I really do think I have scratched a bald spot on my head trying to figure this stuff out.

Karin, I am with you, I dont know how they do it neither. I wind up confusing myself and then have to back track and take it one glider at a time and write it all on paper in order to keep up with it all!! roflmao
Posted By: gliderboy4life

Re: Part 2: "Platinum" Can Mean 2 Different Things? - 06/28/09 02:30 PM

Karin, according to KDR Lucious produced a platinum for him that did not make it so he then retired his mate, Daphne.

I have a glider out of Schezwan and Pai, he is not in the platinum line, because like Sheila said her mate should have produced platinum together.
Posted By: Guerita135

Re: Part 2: "Platinum" Can Mean 2 Different Things? - 06/28/09 06:36 PM

I also have Schezwan's sister, Leda, and she's got an extraordinary color! I have her paired with a leu boy from Haley and Mickey. So far, no platinums, but you guys KNOW I'll be shouting it around the world if they DO have one. roflmao

Here's the best pic I have that show's Leda's gorgeous coloring:



Man, I hope we can figure out the platinum gene soon! lol
Posted By: Anonymous

Re: Part 2: "Platinum" Can Mean 2 Different Things? - 07/01/09 02:45 PM

Annabelle, from Caspian and Magnolia.

Also, Becca's gliders don't have Haley anywhere in their lineages

Nicole, I got confused with some of the things being said here.

Does Becca's line have haley or not? Thanks for the help smile
Posted By: Anonymous

Re: Part 2: "Platinum" Can Mean 2 Different Things? - 07/01/09 03:01 PM

I guess the reason the "haley" line is confusing is because then people go looking for Haley IN the line and find that she's just not there.

My platinums are from the exact same line as Haley is. But Haley is NOT in my platinums lineages.

We are still trying to figure and pinpoint (if possible) where this gene has originated from and how it works. Since we don't know... and since Haley was the first known platinum in this "line", it is appropriate to call it the Haley line.

If you look back in Haley's lineage, you'll find Frodo, Noel, Sammie, and Hope. If you back in Mr. Sambuca's lineage (as well as Mastika and Zeppi), you'll find those exact same ancestors.

Does that help tie it together? They are definitely from the same line. =)
Posted By: IowaMisty

Re: Part 2: "Platinum" Can Mean 2 Different Things? - 07/01/09 08:05 PM

Originally Posted By: GliderNursery
This dilemma seems so easy to me to fix.

A "True Platinum" would be called a Platinum. This refers to the genetic coloration that everyone understands. (As indicated before, because Platinum is a genetic term it should only be used on a glider with that lineage.)

A "Platinum colored Mosaic" would be called a Silver Mosaic. This is the color only, just like a white mo, or a ringtail mo. That description tells everyone what color the mosaic is and speaks nothing of genetics (other than being a mo).

Let's face it, the platinum-color is silver. Why try to re-invent the terms? The mosaics in question are silver, why not just call them that?



I agree this would be a good way to clear this up. I think that changes started being made to the database before there was really a complete consensus on it & it hadn't even been mentioned as an option before to change the platinums to Silverbelle & Haley platinums.

Originally Posted By: Sheila
I see many statements here that need correcting. First starting with Mac. Starting on June 3 I decided to add some names to the Pet Glider Data Base. When I started to see the errors, I decided to try and get them corrected. I actually only entered about 5 of my gliders to that database. Many were already added by different people and the lineages were incorrect. In a conversation with Priscilla on the phone just prior to me making these corrections, I told her why the database was wrong giving her two examples - the one about Minnie and Mickey not being out of Ethan and Eileen and the one about Mac not being a platinum. Priscilla had no idea that Ethan was not always with Eileen. She had put in the database that Mac was a platinum and I reminded her that Mac had always produced normal colored gliders and Mosaics. Mac was described to me by Dai, the previous owner as a mosaic.


I did notice that both of these changes were made. Thanks for clarifying because when I went in & looked at my gliders' lineage & saw Eileen was missing & Mac was a mosaic, I thought for sure I was losing my mind. I wasn't breeding for platinum, but I was telling people that our joeys had some small amount of platinum in their lineage...and now it turns out that wasn't correct, which kind of stinks, but so far we have sold to pet-only homes, so it's ok.

I'm really hoping people get on board with this registry that some people are trying to create. I think it would help to correct some of these issues & prevent them from happening again. What would happen if some of you long-timers weren't around to remember these things? We'd forever have an incorrect database.

Misty
Posted By: Anonymous

Re: Part 2: "Platinum" Can Mean 2 Different Things? - 07/02/09 02:12 AM

Originally Posted By: IowaMisty
[quote=GliderNursery]This dilemma seems so easy to me to fix.

A "True Platinum" would be called a Platinum. This refers to the genetic coloration that everyone understands. (As indicated before, because Platinum is a genetic term it should only be used on a glider with that lineage.)

A "Platinum colored Mosaic" would be called a Silver Mosaic. This is the color only, just like a white mo, or a ringtail mo. That description tells everyone what color the mosaic is and speaks nothing of genetics (other than being a mo).

Let's face it, the platinum-color is silver. Why try to re-invent the terms? The mosaics in question are silver, why not just call them that?



I agree this would be a good way to clear this up. I think that changes started being made to the database before there was really a complete consensus on it & it hadn't even been mentioned as an option before to change the platinums to Silverbelle & Haley platinums. Misty



I agree with this, makes more sense to me too. smile

I thought this from the start that silver was the better answer to this problem.
Posted By: gliderboy4life

Re: Part 2: "Platinum" Can Mean 2 Different Things? - 07/02/09 02:23 AM

It was a concencus that people who owned platinums from FFR made.

Since it is Sheilas line, she chose the Haley platinums, just signifying the 2 different lines.

So my my POV there was a concences amongst platinum breeders.
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