Posted By: SugaMomma
Not-so-helpful Necropsy results - 08/05/13 08:13 AM
It's taken me a bit to be able to come to terms with this enough to post it although it needs to be done. So please bear with me as I try to make this as easy to understand as possible. (Currently raising a rejected joey so a complete lack of sleep doesn't exactly "help".
-Three of my gliders were living together Mother, Father, and their young daughter.
-I feed the HPW diet with fresh fruits and vegetables and mealworms on occasion.(A couple to few times a week)I also have kibble available 24/7.
Checked on everyone around noon. All was well. Topped off the other two cages' kibble dishes with the remaining kibble in one package, had to open a new package for the cage with Mother Father and Daughter.
At dinner time, went to put their "wet" food (HPW fruits/veggies) into their cage. Found Mom on bottom of cage with daughter pulling on her seemingly trying to get her up. I thought Mom had passed but upon picking her up found that she was just barely struggling to breathe. Mom passed within minutes.
Checked daughter over, Daughter appeared fine.
Removed Dad from pouch; Dad "seemed" normal at first but knowing him as well as I did, noticed that he was very subtly "off".
Removed Dad from cage. Put him into Iso cage. Ended up losing him early the next morning. He started off just being very subtly "off" as in not himself. But would take pedialyte and was interested in his HPW. Quickly progressed to not taking pedialyte. Then to being limp. He regained "mobility" but seemed very disoriented. Disorientation continued and he then began to have seizures. He stopped having seizures for about an hour and seemed once again interested in pedialyte but still weak. This was followed by one very large seizure that lasted about 1-1.5 minutes after which he was clearly "not there" his eyes were slightly larger than usual and didn't focus on anything (staring off into the distance). No basic reflexes. Abnormal behavior that was "reflex-based" (this was only noticed because I made the kissing sounds he was used to in order to try to tell him I was still there and he was not alone) when "kiss" sounds were made, his mouth would make an involuntary exaggerated chewing motion as if it was matching my kiss sounds.
He has one last seizure before passing.
I unfortunately did not think to have a Necropsy done on my female in my panicked attempt to save my male but I did have one done on him which yielded an "Inconclusive".
They said that the digestive track and brain both showed signs that could be linked to either possible toxicity or possible infection but they said that there were none of the other "tell-tale" signs of infection and that there werent enough of the "typical" signs of toxicity to rule that that was the cause.
MY THOUGHTS: THAT cage alone received kibble from that newly opened container. The Daughter does not eat kibble and is perfectly fine and healthy. The two that ate the kibble- the parents- passed. The one that always scarfs the kibble passed very quickly. The male that eats less but still enjoys it, passed later. All other gliders were fine.
Unfortunately I will never know.
Just wanted to pass this on in case in some way it CAN maybe help in some way.
-Three of my gliders were living together Mother, Father, and their young daughter.
-I feed the HPW diet with fresh fruits and vegetables and mealworms on occasion.(A couple to few times a week)I also have kibble available 24/7.
Checked on everyone around noon. All was well. Topped off the other two cages' kibble dishes with the remaining kibble in one package, had to open a new package for the cage with Mother Father and Daughter.
At dinner time, went to put their "wet" food (HPW fruits/veggies) into their cage. Found Mom on bottom of cage with daughter pulling on her seemingly trying to get her up. I thought Mom had passed but upon picking her up found that she was just barely struggling to breathe. Mom passed within minutes.
Checked daughter over, Daughter appeared fine.
Removed Dad from pouch; Dad "seemed" normal at first but knowing him as well as I did, noticed that he was very subtly "off".
Removed Dad from cage. Put him into Iso cage. Ended up losing him early the next morning. He started off just being very subtly "off" as in not himself. But would take pedialyte and was interested in his HPW. Quickly progressed to not taking pedialyte. Then to being limp. He regained "mobility" but seemed very disoriented. Disorientation continued and he then began to have seizures. He stopped having seizures for about an hour and seemed once again interested in pedialyte but still weak. This was followed by one very large seizure that lasted about 1-1.5 minutes after which he was clearly "not there" his eyes were slightly larger than usual and didn't focus on anything (staring off into the distance). No basic reflexes. Abnormal behavior that was "reflex-based" (this was only noticed because I made the kissing sounds he was used to in order to try to tell him I was still there and he was not alone) when "kiss" sounds were made, his mouth would make an involuntary exaggerated chewing motion as if it was matching my kiss sounds.
He has one last seizure before passing.
I unfortunately did not think to have a Necropsy done on my female in my panicked attempt to save my male but I did have one done on him which yielded an "Inconclusive".
They said that the digestive track and brain both showed signs that could be linked to either possible toxicity or possible infection but they said that there were none of the other "tell-tale" signs of infection and that there werent enough of the "typical" signs of toxicity to rule that that was the cause.
MY THOUGHTS: THAT cage alone received kibble from that newly opened container. The Daughter does not eat kibble and is perfectly fine and healthy. The two that ate the kibble- the parents- passed. The one that always scarfs the kibble passed very quickly. The male that eats less but still enjoys it, passed later. All other gliders were fine.
Unfortunately I will never know.
Just wanted to pass this on in case in some way it CAN maybe help in some way.