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Samson's penis is out - Part One

Posted By: fox0r

Samson's penis is out - Part One - 05/09/11 04:17 PM

And it has been since last night. Should I take him into the vets? If so, does anyone have phone numbers for consulting vets who know about this stuff?

I asked about this elsewhere last night, and was told he was just being a dude, and not to mess with it. I know it is normal for it to be out sometimes... but I doubt being out for a span of hours is normal.
Posted By: jb7741

Re: Samson's penis is out - Part One - 05/09/11 04:21 PM

I would definately take him to the vet. I wouldn't risk permanent damage by his penis being out for too long. It could dry out and/or he might start SMing it.

You might try making sure it stays lubed with some KY until you can get him into the vets office.
Posted By: Faerie

Re: Samson's penis is out - Part One - 05/09/11 04:22 PM

Try using KY jelly on it, and see if he'll put it back in. It shouldn't be out all the time, it is bad if it gets dried out, then he won't be able to retract it. If he can't get it back in, take him to the vet.
Posted By: fox0r

Re: Samson's penis is out - Part One - 05/09/11 04:30 PM

Does it need to be KY, or will any brand do?
Posted By: MissSarah

Re: Samson's penis is out - Part One - 05/09/11 04:32 PM

It can be generic brand as long as its water based with no additives. (No "warming", fragrance, etc)
Posted By: fox0r

Re: Samson's penis is out - Part One - 05/09/11 04:40 PM

I gave him a pine nut and let let me apply it just fine.

At least it doesn't seem like it is bothering him, and doesn't look like he has been messing with it.
Posted By: KarenE

Re: Samson's penis is out - Part One - 05/09/11 04:44 PM

How old is this little fella? Sometimes when they are hitting puberty, they do it just because they can dunno I would still keep a close eye on him.

I'm going to to ahead and move this to Health & Hygiene for you.
Posted By: fox0r

Re: Samson's penis is out - Part One - 05/09/11 04:47 PM

He is somewhere between 4-5. I have a vet appointment at noon to take him in to the nearest vet. The one we usually go to for our critters didn't have their exotic vet in today.
Posted By: fox0r

Re: Samson's penis is out - Part One - 05/09/11 06:17 PM

They have to amputate the tips of his penis. I'll get a call after he wakes up from surgery.
Posted By: jb7741

Re: Samson's penis is out - Part One - 05/09/11 06:29 PM

Oh no!!!!!!!

What happened?

Hope and pray that he recovers quickly.
Posted By: DCMuffin

Re: Samson's penis is out - Part One - 05/09/11 06:44 PM

Why did they decide they needed to amputate? Was the tissue necrotic?
Posted By: fox0r

Re: Samson's penis is out - Part One - 05/09/11 06:49 PM

Yep, on both tips. frown

So they're going to do that, put it back inside, and put a stitch to hold it (I talked to the vet about this preventing him from using the bathroom, and he said it wouldn't).

I was told if I don't hear by 2pm, to call and see what is going on. There was another surgery first.

The desk girl told me that this vet sees a lot of gliders, and he sounds like he knew what he was doing, so...
Posted By: TTrusty

Re: Samson's penis is out - Part One - 05/09/11 07:00 PM

Oh no Please wait and let your normal ver look at him. Please read about simba on the board. Do bit ley them swatch it.
Posted By: DCMuffin

Re: Samson's penis is out - Part One - 05/09/11 07:02 PM

Originally Posted By: fox0r
Yep, on both tips. frown

So they're going to do that, put it back inside, and put a stitch to hold it (I talked to the vet about this preventing him from using the bathroom, and he said it wouldn't).

I was told if I don't hear by 2pm, to call and see what is going on. There was another surgery first.

The desk girl told me that this vet sees a lot of gliders, and he sounds like he knew what he was doing, so...


NO NO NO! Don't let him put a stitch in!!!!!!! Please call Bourbon ASAP! 321-331-1608!!! It's also in her profile!
Posted By: fox0r

Re: Samson's penis is out - Part One - 05/09/11 07:03 PM

I've read about Simba, which is why I brought up my concerns in the first place. They aren't going to stitch him shut from what I was told, just put a small one to help it stay in.
Posted By: fox0r

Re: Samson's penis is out - Part One - 05/09/11 07:06 PM

I'm calling the vet now.
Posted By: DCMuffin

Re: Samson's penis is out - Part One - 05/09/11 07:06 PM

That's what they did with Simba! The stitch can damage the frenulum inside!
Posted By: TTrusty

Re: Samson's penis is out - Part One - 05/09/11 07:06 PM

This can cause trama to it. Call bourbon like dc muffin Said.
Posted By: fox0r

Re: Samson's penis is out - Part One - 05/09/11 07:08 PM

Surgery is already done, and the vet is in doing another surgery. I was told he would talk to me when I go in to pick up Samson, which they said to do about 3 (It's after 1 here now), so he can wake up from the anesthesia.

She said that they had to put the stitch in because everything was so swollen it just kept popping right back out.
Posted By: TTrusty

Re: Samson's penis is out - Part One - 05/09/11 07:09 PM

Have them call brindis vet. Or one of the other known vets.
Posted By: TTrusty

Re: Samson's penis is out - Part One - 05/09/11 07:10 PM

Doe he have a collar on.
Posted By: DCMuffin

Re: Samson's penis is out - Part One - 05/09/11 07:11 PM

Jen...I know what they're telling you and it's exactly what was done to Simba and can cause serious damage! They have GOT to get the swelling down and putting it back inside when it's swollen can cause it to tear around the stitch, causing even greater damage. *sigh* Please contact Bourbon and if you don't get her, then call Mary H. I'm going to PM you her number since it's not listed in her profile.
Posted By: TTrusty

Re: Samson's penis is out - Part One - 05/09/11 07:24 PM

Can you have them get ahold of your usual vet in emergency.
Posted By: fox0r

Re: Samson's penis is out - Part One - 05/09/11 07:27 PM

I'm on the phone with Bourbon now.
Posted By: Sherri

Re: Samson's penis is out - Part One - 05/09/11 07:33 PM

Oh my!!! Not again!!!

Many prayers are with you and Sampson!
Posted By: fox0r

Re: Samson's penis is out - Part One - 05/09/11 07:39 PM

I have a phone number for Dr. Pat now, and she said to have my vet call and consult with him or Dr. Fronefield when I go in to pick up Samson.
Posted By: Anonymous

Re: Samson's penis is out - Part One - 05/09/11 07:41 PM

Reading this post I kept yelling 'don't do it don't do it'. *sigh*
VET CONSULT NUMBERS: http://glidergeek.weebly.com/vet-consult-numbers.html
Posted By: TTrusty

Re: Samson's penis is out - Part One - 05/09/11 07:50 PM

Does he have a ecollar on. He will go after it When he takes up
Posted By: fox0r

Re: Samson's penis is out - Part One - 05/09/11 07:54 PM

I left ecollars with the vet, so hopefully they did put one on him.
Posted By: fox0r

Re: Samson's penis is out - Part One - 05/09/11 08:51 PM

So, how do I ask this vet to do a consult without sounding like.. well.. a word I can't say on here?
Posted By: fox0r

Re: Samson's penis is out - Part One - 05/09/11 09:23 PM

The vet said he would call Dr. Pat (he couldn't do it right that second, they were very busy) and I told him to call me if Dr. Pat said anything that he needed to deal with.

The stitches are temporary, and come out tomorrow morning.

I also explained to him a bit more about what happened with Simba. He seemed to take all of my concerns to heart.

Samson is doing fine. Isn't messing with the area at all, and I have some medication to give him tonight and the next few following nights.
Posted By: Faerie

Re: Samson's penis is out - Part One - 05/09/11 09:30 PM

I hope it all ends well. Praying for Samson.
Posted By: Anonymous

Re: Samson's penis is out - Part One - 05/09/11 09:32 PM

The way I see it, Jen, is like this.

If you had a skin kid and something was seriously wrong, the doctor says XYZ. It involves a major surgery. Are you going to say 'oh ok' or would you want a second opinion?

Add to that a LOT of people are saying 'this is not a good idea' and shows you proof. Would you let the doctor do it anyway, or are you going to see about finding out more from other doctors? (Hope that makes sense.)

I don't know how you view your animals, but I see mine as my children. I treat them with the same exact dignity and respect as I do my human child.

That being said, it doesn't matter if you hurt the vets feelings. I'm not saying be a you know what. You can approach the subject calmly and respectfully, but still be matter of fact.

Approach your vet and tell him:
'I'm really concerned about this procedure done on Samson. I know somebody who just recently went through an eerily identical situation and it's been a heckish ride and many times over they weren't sure her little guy was going to make it.

Her vet consulted with other vets that are EXTREMELY knowledgeable in this stuff and if it weren't for those consults, her glider most assuredly would not have made it.

I would really appreciate it if you did the same.'

Offer the phone numbers.
But this is a dire situation that cannot wait any longer. Those stitches need to come out. I don't want Samson, or you, to go through what Simba and Brandi have gone through and are continuing to go through.

Here's that thread if you're not familiar with the story:

Part One

Part Two

Part Three

Part Four
Posted By: fox0r

Re: Samson's penis is out - Part One - 05/09/11 09:32 PM

I hope it does to. Thanks.
Posted By: fox0r

Re: Samson's penis is out - Part One - 05/09/11 09:36 PM

@Megs

I already posted above that I explained to him about Simba, and what went on there, and asked him to call Dr. Pat. He said that he would. He also said that he would call me if something was up.
Posted By: Cora

Re: Samson's penis is out - Part One - 05/09/11 09:43 PM

where are these vets getting the info to stitch it back in, this is horrible practice and needs to stop now. omg i hope he recovers from this. i am here if you need me. i consider myself part of the mutilation group. my number is in my siggy, going to go scream in my pillow now.
Posted By: KarenE

Re: Samson's penis is out - Part One - 05/09/11 09:43 PM

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Advice has been given and Jen will talk with her vet.

Please be compassionate enough to know she is doing the best for her glider.

Posted By: fox0r

Re: Samson's penis is out - Part One - 05/09/11 09:46 PM

I'm not sure where they are getting it either, Cora.

I am thinking about calling the vet before they close to see if he actually has called Dr. Pat like he said that he would. I may be sleeping, though, since DH will be home at that time to keep an eye on Samson to make sure he doesn't mess with anything, then I'll be able to stay up through out the night.

Thanks Karen!
Posted By: Cora

Re: Samson's penis is out - Part One - 05/09/11 09:49 PM

well my thoughts and prayers are with you hon!
Posted By: fox0r

Re: Samson's penis is out - Part One - 05/09/11 09:51 PM

Thanks Cora!
Posted By: minkasmom

Re: Samson's penis is out - Part One - 05/09/11 09:55 PM

PM sent.....
Posted By: Anonymous

Re: Samson's penis is out - Part One - 05/09/11 10:06 PM

Originally Posted By: fox0r
@Megs

I already posted above that I explained to him about Simba, and what went on there, and asked him to call Dr. Pat. He said that he would. He also said that he would call me if something was up.


I didn't see your post as it was posted while I was typing. I had stopped for a minute to get something.

I saw it after I posted and just didn't feel the need to edit. Sorry.
Posted By: Anonymous

Re: Samson's penis is out - Part One - 05/09/11 10:09 PM

Originally Posted By: KarenE
Quote:
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Advice has been given and Jen will talk with her vet.

Please be compassionate enough to know she is doing the best for her glider.



I hope this wasn't in reference to what I said. I wasn't trying to be mean by any means. I'm EXTREMELY compassionate.

I stated I don't know how she views her animals (I treat mine just like my human child) because many people DON'T see them as they do humans.

IE: My mother loves animals and is great with them, but thinks I give my animals too much respect.

Not to go off topic. Just trying to clarify.
I'll shush now.
Posted By: Sherri

Re: Samson's penis is out - Part One - 05/09/11 10:18 PM

Thank you for the update. I will continue to keep Samson in my thoughts and prayers for a speedy recovery.

Also, please keep in mind that vets can be very busy and unfortuantely they are not able to always get things done as quickly as we would like. So even if your vet was able to call Dr. Pat, Dr. Pat may not have been available right at that minute.

I know its really hard to be patient. I thought I was going crazy when I was waiting on results for Ivey's cancer. I was also calling my vet way more than I needed too about her consulting with another vet. Luckily they were very patient with me, but I'm sure I was getting aggrivating and annoying. LOL

So do please keep in mind that both vets still have other patients than just our gliders. As important as our babies are to us, the other owners of pets feel the same way about theirs and our vets can only do what they can get done in the time they have to do it.
Posted By: DCMuffin

Re: Samson's penis is out - Part One - 05/09/11 10:19 PM

Keep us posted Jen smile. Sending good thoughts your way.
Posted By: fox0r

Re: Samson's penis is out - Part One - 05/09/11 10:20 PM

I know Sherri, that's why I don't want to keep calling there and bugging him. Other people's critters need help too. Thanks!

Thanks Aimee!
Posted By: kjgoulet

Re: Samson's penis is out - Part One - 05/09/11 10:34 PM

Best of wishes to Samson! Hope he recovers quickly and it doesn't get to the point of what happened to poor Simba.
Posted By: Sherri

Re: Samson's penis is out - Part One - 05/09/11 10:34 PM

I felt that "you" knew that, I was just kinda wanting other people to realize that too.

Sometimes our emotions get the best of us because we love our babies and "OTHER" peoples babies so much that we tend to forget things like that.
Posted By: fox0r

Re: Samson's penis is out - Part One - 05/09/11 10:39 PM

I hope so too, Kristi.

And yeah, I understand that, Sherri. I get that way too. You want for them to shove everyone else out of the way and fix your critter and not do anything else, and they just can't do that.
Posted By: SariYappa

Re: Samson's penis is out - Part One - 05/09/11 11:51 PM

I am sending lots of positive energy your way for you and Samson. hug2
Posted By: fox0r

Re: Samson's penis is out - Part One - 05/10/11 12:10 AM

Thanks Sari!


Update: Samson is still snoozing away. I'm not looking forward to giving him oral meds later, either. He's gonna hate it.
Posted By: DCMuffin

Re: Samson's penis is out - Part One - 05/10/11 12:22 AM

You might be surprised, Jen...don't be nervous or anxious about it, he'll feel it. Just be confident and he'll do fine. smile
Posted By: fox0r

Re: Samson's penis is out - Part One - 05/10/11 01:47 AM

I just put the ecollar on him. He HATES it. Also gave him his meds which was much easier than what I thought it would be.

How can I tell if the ecollar is too tight?
Posted By: Anonymous

Re: Samson's penis is out - Part One - 05/10/11 01:50 AM

If his nose is *really* turning purple or something, then he isn't getting enough air and it is too tight. HOWEVER, it is very normal for the nose to change color at first - they are fighting the collar and that does use more oxygen. You shouldn't be concerned for the first bit of color change, only if it is staying that way or is really really dark.

I am hoping for the best for you two!
Posted By: fox0r

Re: Samson's penis is out - Part One - 05/10/11 01:55 AM

His nose tends to be on the darker side most of the time, so I'll be sure to watch it.

I really hate to have to put him in that collar, but I need some sleep tonight. I figured I'd do it while I gave him his meds, and measured him for an ejacket, and just get everything done in one blow so I don't have to mess with him again.

At the rate he is fighting with it, though, I'm not gonna be able to feed him for a while. Dishes will go flying.
Posted By: Anonymous

Re: Samson's penis is out - Part One - 05/10/11 01:59 AM

Awwww poor little man. He'll tucker himself out soon enough, and if he is really pulling and tugging and it is staying on, I think you've got it set just right. smile You may need to hand-feed him some or use one of the bird silos for the BML or HPW (I don't know what staple you feed, sorry) to make sure he gets some while in the collar.
Posted By: DCMuffin

Re: Samson's penis is out - Part One - 05/10/11 02:01 AM

Yep...Jess has given you good advice...poor baby!!
Posted By: Cora

Re: Samson's penis is out - Part One - 05/10/11 02:01 AM

if hes breathing, hes good. what type of collar do you have? sattelite or shotglass?
Posted By: suggiemom1980

Re: Samson's penis is out - Part One - 05/10/11 02:04 AM

Originally Posted By: fox0r
I just put the ecollar on him. He HATES it. Also gave him his meds which was much easier than what I thought it would be.

How can I tell if the ecollar is too tight?

If he's crabbing, he can breathe. If you can see him breathing, it's ok. You should be able to slip a fingernail between it and his neck, but no more space than that.

Here are videos of a glider fighting an ecollar. He stopped after twenty minutes. Glider fighting an ecollar
Posted By: fox0r

Re: Samson's penis is out - Part One - 05/10/11 02:09 AM

I have him in a sattelite at the moment. I also have a shotglass handy if I need to switch.

His nose is still a normal color, so I'm taking that as a good sign. I do hope he tires himself out soon, it sucks to see him fight with it so. frown

Samson is doing exactly like the video, pushing his head down and everything. My poor kid. frown

ETA: I attempted to help him out eating, he really wasn't interested in it at the moment. He's more interested in fighting with the collar. I don't have any silos handy. I'll pick some up tomorrow if I need to. I left the dishes for now, and I'll try again after he has had some time to settle down.
Posted By: fox0r

Re: Samson's penis is out - Part One - 05/10/11 02:29 AM

I tried again. He very happily ate two pine nuts and drank a little of the Complete before he went back to trying to pull that thing off his head.

I also seen him use the water bottle.
Posted By: TTrusty

Re: Samson's penis is out - Part One - 05/10/11 02:35 AM

Is this little guy going to the bathroom ok. Just wondering. My thoughts and prayers are with you all.
Posted By: fox0r

Re: Samson's penis is out - Part One - 05/10/11 02:57 AM

He's tinkled, I've stuck my hand in it when I reached into the pouch (ew). I haven't seen him do anything else, or attempt to do anything else yet. He's been snoozing, and now he is fighting with the ecollar.

He ate a little more Complete, and also ate some by himself. I think I may mix up some more and give him some extra, so at least he has that to eat. He isn't very interested in fruits/veggies at all. He likes to hold his food while he eats it (unless it is a pine nut, which he just shoves in his mouth and sucks on it or whatever he does), and he can't do that with the collar. frown
Posted By: Cora

Re: Samson's penis is out - Part One - 05/10/11 03:06 AM

no, but he will be able to eat with his hands with the jacket Denise is fixin ya! hang in there! He shouldnt need silos with the sattelite, just shallow plates and soft, pyreed foods or foods cut in very small pieces, your doing great! smile
Posted By: fox0r

Re: Samson's penis is out - Part One - 05/10/11 03:08 AM

Yeah, that jacket will be great! I'm sure it wont bother him anywhere near as much as what the collar does.
Posted By: DCMuffin

Re: Samson's penis is out - Part One - 05/10/11 03:53 AM

clap
Posted By: Gizmogirl

Re: Samson's penis is out - Part One - 05/10/11 05:59 AM

Will be keeping you and Samson in our thoughts and prayers. hug2
Posted By: Sherri

Re: Samson's penis is out - Part One - 05/10/11 06:41 AM

Denise is super woman when it comes to getting an e jacket made and shipped out.

I ordered mine on a thursday NIGHT and it was at my door saturday morning!

Samson will be so much happier in that jacket.

So glad that he took his meds like a good boy and even ate a little.

My thoughts and prayers are with you both!
Posted By: JillMarie

Re: Samson's penis is out - Part One - 05/10/11 07:27 AM

Sending prayers for you Jen and your Samson.
Posted By: Anonymous

Re: Samson's penis is out - Part One - 05/10/11 10:00 AM

I am in such shock reading this! My heart went up in my throat. I feel like I am reading about Simba all over again! I really hope your little man will be okay! I hope he doesn't have to go through what my Simba is going through! I can't believe they stitched him shut!!!! Has he pooped at all? If he doesn't poop soon then you need to get that stitch out of there. If he starts pushing like he needs to poop but can't he may end up prolapsing his penis through where the stitches are and that will further damage his penis! Simba did that and his penis ended up looking like hamburger meat! The stitches also tore his frenulum - the piece that keeps the penis from hanging out all the time.

I really hope you can get a hold of Dr.Pat! He is such an awesome vet! If it wasn't for him my Simba wouldn't have made it this far!

I am here if you need me. I know exactly what you are going through since I am also going through the same thing. Send me a pm if you need to talk and I can send you my number. Or you can get my number from Bourbon or someone else that has it.

This should not be happening again! upset


Everyone needs to know that if your glider's penis does not go back in use preperation H and orajel on it along with an ecollar! Do this first! It will help take the swelling down and help with any pain. The penis should go back inside once the swelling is down. If you take them to a vet then request they give them something for inflammation and pain before they try anything else!
Posted By: Anonymous

Re: Samson's penis is out - Part One - 05/10/11 10:26 AM

My Pepe had the same thing n my Dr had to do some kind of operation - N then he was his old jolly self again

Sue
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Posted By: suggiemom1980

Re: Samson's penis is out - Part One - 05/10/11 11:51 AM

Has he been able to poop yet? If not, then he needs to get to a vet ASAP. He should have needed to poop by now.

In case you need it, here is a list of vets in your state.

Cleveland Pet Hospital & Health Ctr.
2619 Cleveland Boulevard
Caldwell, Idaho 83605
208-459-0709
No website or email address

Idaho Veterinary Hospital
1420 N. Midland Boulevard
Nampa, Idaho 83651
208-466-4614
www.idahovethospital.com
drcalhoun@idahovethospital.com
drlee@idahovethospital.com

Intermountain Pet Hospital
800 W. Overland Road
Meridian, Idaho 83642
208-888-2910
www.intermountainvet.com
Email on website

Veterinary Medical Clinic
8600 W. Franklin Road
Boise, Idaho 83709
208-376-1541
No website or email address

If your vet is not glider experienced, or needs help, these are experienced sugar glider vets, who will consult with your vet by phone. They will speak only to other vets.


Dr.Tim Tristan
OSO Creek Animal Hospital
361-994-1145

Dr. Bradley Walsh
Village vet Animal Clinic/All Creatures Veterinary Hospital
918-258-0040

Dr. Andrew Grzanowski
Canton Center Animal Hospital
734-459-1400

Dr. Kate Zimmerman
TriCounty Animal Hospital
(Has 24hr emergency contact info on her office answering machine)
423-391-0303

Dr. Paul Welch
Forest Trails Animal Hospital
918-299-8448

Dr. Teresa Bradley
Belton Animal Clinic
816-331-3120

Dr. Kristen West
Mandel Veterinary Hospital
216-321-6040
Posted By: Anonymous

Re: Samson's penis is out - Part One - 05/10/11 01:24 PM

I just got back from dropping Simba off and they said they got your vet's message. They called just after they had closed. Dr.Pat should call him back. I just wanted to let you know he did get the message.
Posted By: fox0r

Re: Samson's penis is out - Part One - 05/10/11 03:50 PM

My vet called while I was in the glider room and left a voice mail. He wanted to see how Samson was doing, and he said that Dr. Pat said that he likes to leave them stitched for a couple of days? Dr. Richard (my vet) said that he wanted to make sure he could use the bathroom and what not. Either way I bring him in in about a half hour.


Samson ate pretty good last night, all things considered. He still isn't happy with that ecollar though. I can't wait to get the jacket so he can move around something close to normal.

He's a bit gunky this morning. Can I use a baby wipe to clean him off, or should I just use water?

Other than that he seems like he is doing pretty good. Ears are up and alert, eyes are still shiny and what not.
Posted By: fox0r

Re: Samson's penis is out - Part One - 05/10/11 03:55 PM

I just got off the phone with Dr. Richard, and he wants to leave the stitch for now, and for me to keep an eye on him to make sure he is using the bathroom. If he is, then the stitch will come out Thursday if he is still doing okay, otherwise he told me I can basically bring him in when ever to have it taken out.
Posted By: suggiemom1980

Re: Samson's penis is out - Part One - 05/10/11 04:29 PM

If he is unable to poop, then the stitch needs to come out.
Posted By: minkasmom

Re: Samson's penis is out - Part One - 05/10/11 04:38 PM

Two e-jackets are making there way to Samson TODAY! Let's see how fast the Post Office eagles can fly them out....hopefully it's going to be OVERNIGHT, that would be VERY NICE! thumb
Posted By: DCMuffin

Re: Samson's penis is out - Part One - 05/10/11 04:40 PM

Thank you so much for doing this again, Denise! clap
Posted By: fox0r

Re: Samson's penis is out - Part One - 05/10/11 04:43 PM

Connie -- if he doesn't do anything in the next couple of hours I'll call the vet back so I can bring him in.

Thanks again Denise! He will be so happy to get out of that ecollar!
Posted By: suggiemom1980

Re: Samson's penis is out - Part One - 05/10/11 04:44 PM

When was the last time he pooped? I know my gliders can poop 5-6 times an hour during play time.
Posted By: DCMuffin

Re: Samson's penis is out - Part One - 05/10/11 04:46 PM

I do have to agree here with Connie. Jen, I know you're being so vigilant about watching him but it's been a long time now since this procedure was done - he should have gone by now, even just a small amount, especially throughout the night and having had dinner.
Posted By: fox0r

Re: Samson's penis is out - Part One - 05/10/11 04:49 PM

I know he went on the way the vets yesterday. I don't know if he went while he was at the vets -- if he did they didn't tell me.

I'll get dressed (I'm a PJ lounger) and give the vet a call here in a few minutes and bring him in.
Posted By: suggiemom1980

Re: Samson's penis is out - Part One - 05/10/11 04:50 PM

He hasn't pooped at all since having the stitch put in?? Yeah, he needs it out for sure before more damage is done. When Roo had troubles with his penis, my vet put in a purse stitch to make the opening smaller. He could still pee and poop tho.
Posted By: fox0r

Re: Samson's penis is out - Part One - 05/10/11 05:20 PM

He is at the vets now. The doctor is in surgery, so I dropped him off. I'll get a call when he's done.
Posted By: suggiemom1980

Re: Samson's penis is out - Part One - 05/10/11 06:08 PM

Sending prayers your way! Thanks for updating us!
Posted By: fox0r

Re: Samson's penis is out - Part One - 05/10/11 07:20 PM

No phone call or updates yet.

I'm so stinking tired though, ugh. If I had known the vet was going to take this long I would of taken a nap. I need it.
Posted By: Faerie

Re: Samson's penis is out - Part One - 05/10/11 07:32 PM

Still praying for you and Samson!
Posted By: Cora

Re: Samson's penis is out - Part One - 05/10/11 10:33 PM

we can get the swelling down without the stitch by using a combination of ointments and such it will not dry out with the treatments many of us have used did you talk with your vet about those?some brandi already mentioned and yes if your glider has not defecated that adds to a whole list of issues..
I am trying to help you and your glider sweetie. Please call me.
Posted By: fox0r

Re: Samson's penis is out - Part One - 05/10/11 10:40 PM

We're back from the vets. He made poo there. They took out one of the stitches (apparently there were two and I didn't realize it, or I misunderstood what he told me, which is very possible since I was so frazzled yesterday). The plan is still to take the other one out Thursday if all is still going well.

Samson is back in the nice, warm glider room where hopefully he can get some sleep. I'll check on him in a little bit to make sure he is still doing okay.

I didn't think to mention the ointments when I went in. My brain doesn't seem like it is all here these past couple of days. Stress REALLY does a number on me, and lack of sleep with it isn't helping matters.

He is on an anti-inflammatory. I have two doses left. He got one last night, he'll get one tonight, and then again tomorrow night.
Posted By: Feather

Re: Samson's penis is out - Part One - 05/11/11 12:52 AM

Glad to hear that he pooped for the Vet. Keeping little Samson in my prayers.

Please keep us posted.
Posted By: Cora

Re: Samson's penis is out - Part One - 05/11/11 12:56 AM

The whole thing is Miss Jen he does not need a stitch. I dont understand what the vet hopes to accomplish by that, would you ask him the purpose, maybe I am missing something. But I would think the less invasive the better and the mutilation /penis prolapse experts have alternative methods, Prep h, and triple antibiotic plus pain, oragel/benzodent(make a paste, numbs area for hours), there are topical prescription antiinflammatory agents. If the TAO plus pain is applied often and collar/jacket stays on the penis will not dry out! With the stitches so many complications can occur. ((((HUGS))) hon
Posted By: fox0r

Re: Samson's penis is out - Part One - 05/11/11 04:28 PM

Samson is still doing okay. Didn't eat as much last night as he did the night before, but I don't think he likes his fruits/veggies pureed together. He did eat some of it, though, and ate all of his complete. There are also plenty of poos in the bottom of the cage.

He is gunky again, though. Anyone have any tips for cleaning him up? I wiped him off yesterday with a wash cloth with warm water, but I don't feel like it did a good job. I have baby wipes, nature's miracle wipes, liquid soap, bar soap, etc. I'm just not sure what is okay to use on him.
Posted By: Cora

Re: Samson's penis is out - Part One - 05/11/11 04:37 PM

wipes tend to leave em greasy looking. shampoos dry out the skin. I get nolvasan from my vet (its a blue colored wound cleaning solution)and water it down to light blue, wet a washcloth with warm water, i pour some on one end of the wascloth and wipe down his soiled spots, then i use the other end of the cloth to rinse him(Spencer), i then dry him with a towel and plop him in my bra until hes dry.
Posted By: fox0r

Re: Samson's penis is out - Part One - 05/11/11 04:43 PM

Nolvasan. I'll remember to ask for some. Should I just stick with trying to use water until then?
Posted By: Feather

Re: Samson's penis is out - Part One - 05/11/11 05:13 PM

Seeing as the use "regular" Dawn dish soap to clean oil off of wild life I would think that a very dilute solution of plain Dawn (no bleach or other additives) would work to clean him up until you can get the Nolvasan.

With either solution make sure you get as much as possible out of his fur, ringing out a washcloth several times.

Good Luck
Posted By: jb7741

Re: Samson's penis is out - Part One - 05/11/11 05:48 PM

Maybe baby shampoo? It isn't supposed to dry out skin.
Posted By: fox0r

Re: Samson's penis is out - Part One - 05/11/11 05:53 PM

I do have baby shampoo.. and some Dawn. I think I'll dilute the baby shampoo and give that a go and see how it works.
Posted By: fox0r

Re: Samson's penis is out - Part One - 05/11/11 07:58 PM

I got ejackets! Yay! Is there some magic trick to getting them on, and them staying on? I've tried a couple times now and he keeps slipping out of it. frown
Posted By: minkasmom

Re: Samson's penis is out - Part One - 05/11/11 09:19 PM

Well, she got the e-jacket to stay on clap and Samson has learned how much NICER it is than an e-collar (giving him a test treat.... roflmao )

I told her about this video I made yesterday....it's a little amusing and VERY comforting to see me having to try at least twice to get it to stay on this little wisp of a girl named Savaan, she nailed me HARD at least 3 times before I got it to stay. She was NOT happy to be my model....I told her she was going to be a star, she didn't care! shakehead
Posted By: suggiemom1980

Re: Samson's penis is out - Part One - 05/11/11 09:30 PM

Originally Posted By: minkasmom
Well, she got the e-jacket to stay on clap and Samson has learned how much NICER it is than an e-collar (giving him a test treat.... roflmao )

I told her about this video I made yesterday....it's a little amusing and VERY comforting to see me having to try at least twice to get it to stay on this little wisp of a girl named Savaan, she nailed me HARD at least 3 times before I got it to stay. She was NOT happy to be my model....I told her she was going to be a star, she didn't care! shakehead

And where can we see this video???
Posted By: fox0r

Re: Samson's penis is out - Part One - 05/11/11 09:44 PM

She has to beat her camera into submission to make it upload first!
Posted By: heidi

Re: Samson's penis is out - Part One - 05/11/11 10:46 PM

any pics yet
Posted By: fox0r

Re: Samson's penis is out - Part One - 05/11/11 11:45 PM


Here is a picture of my exhausted Samson in his snazzy new jacket Denise sent him (thanks again, Denise)!
Posted By: DCMuffin

Re: Samson's penis is out - Part One - 05/12/11 04:05 AM

See PART TWO
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