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Grieving Glider (video attached)

Posted By: sugarglidersuz

Grieving Glider (video attached) - 12/05/06 01:10 PM

I know that many times over the years of my being here on the board I have read about gliders grieving and how heart-wrenching it is. I had prayed to never have to go through it with my gliders, but right now I am. cry
As many of you know, two weeks ago Monday, my Cricky passed over to the Rainbow Bridge. Sadly, his mate Pika has been grieving ever since. Every morning I hear her crying and crying for him.
I have tried multiple times to get a video of her so that others can know what this sounds & looks like, but until this morning, I was unsuccessful. I finally got a video of her this morning. (Please ignore the background noises of the bathroom fan and the other cage of gliders running in their Wodent Wheel...) the lighting is not great, but you can still see her running around searching for Cricky. Towards the end of the video is when she starts crying again...
Be warned that it is heart-wrenching. Her poor little heart is breaking and she just doesn't understand that he's gone forever... cry cry cry
Also, Pika is blind from cataracts and has residual paralysis from a bout with HLP last year, so her movements are jerky and she stops often to sniff the air...

Pika Grieves
Posted By: Xglider

Re: Grieving Glider (video attached) - 12/05/06 01:56 PM

hug2 for you and pika

thanks for posting
Posted By: Anonymous

Re: Grieving Glider (video attached) - 12/05/06 02:05 PM

Thats seriously one of the saddest things I have ever seen. Poor Pika! I have only ever heard baby gliders cry. Can you give her a young male to love on, or to love on her? You think she has too many problems to try and find her a new friend? Im just afraid she might die of lonelyness too! Like when old couples die within a few days or weeks of one another because the bond is so strong. They kind of stay alive for one another when they are old and sick. Don't you think? Thanks for the video, but I think now its going to haunt me all day.
Posted By: Anonymous

Re: Grieving Glider (video attached) - 12/05/06 02:18 PM

Oh, I want to cry too! When I was playing the video and she started crying, my cage of 5, with Mariah in it started calling to her when they heard her. Can you find her a friend? I wish you were closer, I have a lone glider that was rescued from a pet store and was recently neutered and needs a friend. None of the cages here are accepting him and its so sad. He needs someone too.
(((((hugs))) to you and Pika.
Posted By: thefotokat

Re: Grieving Glider (video attached) - 12/05/06 02:24 PM

Oh Suz, I'm so sorry for Pika!!! I'm at work right now so I haven't even watched the video. I got teared up just reading the post. cry I will be sending all my good thought, hugs and prayers to you and Pika. I really hope she pulls through this. She's already overcome so many challenges in her life so I know she's a strong girl. hug2 hug2 hug2 hug2 hug2 hug2
Posted By: sugarglidersuz

Re: Grieving Glider (video attached) - 12/05/06 02:27 PM

I wish I could give her a friend, but I'm afraid to put anyone in with her at this point. With her being blind and also having the paralysis issues, I'm afraid that a new, younger glider would do her more harm than good... dunno I'm open to suggestions. Has anyone ever tried to put a younger glider in with an older, invalid glider??? She's really breaking my heart every day... cry
Posted By: Anonymous

Re: Grieving Glider (video attached) - 12/05/06 02:29 PM

cry Oh my that is so heart wrenching. Poor little Pika hug2 Suz she is very lucky to have someone as caring as you to take care of her during the grieving process hug2
Posted By: Anonymous

Re: Grieving Glider (video attached) - 12/05/06 02:54 PM

Perhaps you can check all the rescues for a glider in similar condition and age or at least similar condition. I have heard plenty of stories about invalid gliders needing homes but no one wants one with physical challenges. Perhaps you can give Pika a friend and a home to an unwanted glider at the same time. clap Most rescues will do animal safe shipping anywhere in the continental US so you have plenty of rescues to check. I would worry that the stress of loosing her mate would be too much for her to handle without another friend. worried
Posted By: sugarglidersuz

Re: Grieving Glider (video attached) - 12/05/06 03:01 PM

That's a very good suggestion and one I may have to look into. I don't like the idea of glider shipping, personally, but may have no other options so I'll keep it in mind...
Posted By: thefotokat

Re: Grieving Glider (video attached) - 12/05/06 03:01 PM

I know that w/my Flo, she has the respect of every other glider in the gang. They never bother her and usually won't even crawl on her cage. I think they sense she's "ill" and I wonder if their reaction goes back to the wild instincts of avoiding sickness/disability. I would be a bit worried about introducing a young, active glider to her, but another special needs baby might do well. hug2
Posted By: Anonymous

Re: Grieving Glider (video attached) - 12/05/06 03:12 PM

oh that was totally heart wrenching to hear her cry and look for him... i agree with resonance that is going to haunt me all day too...
sure makes me wonder i think i have even heard that kind of cry from my girls once... they are both healthy so now i am wondering why one would cry???
Posted By: BeckiT

Re: Grieving Glider (video attached) - 12/05/06 03:13 PM

That poor baby girl cry please give her a hug from us Suz!
Posted By: Anonymous

Re: Grieving Glider (video attached) - 12/05/06 03:20 PM

Oh Suz that video is so heart wrenching. It brings me to tears. Pika looking all over for her cage mate and then that cry, it is something that no one can forget.

How are you holding up? That has to be hard on you to hear and to watch. I would be crying everyday with Pika. Were all here if you need us. Just remember that.
Posted By: Xfilefan

Re: Grieving Glider (video attached) - 12/05/06 04:18 PM

Oh, Suz hug2 If there was a way I could get the girls to you, I would...they accepted Gim with all his issues. A 8 wk OOP joey might be just the thing, tho...someone for her to look after, who would kind of bond with her as a mother figure at first...might be an idea, and help distract her that Cricky isn't there, give her someone to love and cuddle with. Poor Pika-wish I could give you both hugs. hug2 hug2
Posted By: Anonymous

Re: Grieving Glider (video attached) - 12/05/06 04:40 PM

Oh Suz, that was one of the most heart breaking sounds I've heard. cry Give Pika lots of hugs and kisses for us. hug2
Posted By: Anonymous

Re: Grieving Glider (video attached) - 12/05/06 04:47 PM

Oh Suz, that is so heart wrenching. I remember when Peepers lost Jeepers and she grieved as well. The worst was when after it had been a couple of weeks, I did a stupid thing and let her go in the pouch that still smelled like Jeepers. She just chattered with joy when she first went in and smelled Jeepers, then kept looking around the pouch (it was a big pouch, with a bunch of blankies in it) and realized she wasn't there. I took her out quickly, but the damage was done. She hiss-barked ALL NIGHT and was still doing it in the morning when my hubby got up and went down there. He asked about it because she's usually not a barker and she wouldn't stop.

Did Pika get to say her goodbyes to Cricky by seeing the body after he was gone?

Peepers has recovered from her grief now, and she frequently chatters at Piper when she first goes in the pouch. Even though the initial introductions were a little rough with them, I think Peeps is very happy to have a friend again.

I like the idea of a special needs glider, but it may be difficult since both of them would have the insecurities of their condition and may be defensive at first. Or they may each recognize that the other has issues as well and get along right away. It's a gamble, I guess but worth it in the long run if it makes Pika happy. How old is Pika?
Posted By: Xfilefan

Re: Grieving Glider (video attached) - 12/05/06 04:51 PM

Sundra, if I'm not mistaken, Pika is 13 years young.
Posted By: Anonymous

Re: Grieving Glider (video attached) - 12/05/06 04:53 PM

my gf almost cried frown
Posted By: Anonymous

Re: Grieving Glider (video attached) - 12/05/06 05:19 PM

That was so sad Suz. Absolutely heart wrenching. For those who think that animals do not have feelings...well, this is proof. That poor sweet girl. hug2
Posted By: Anonymous

Re: Grieving Glider (video attached) - 12/05/06 07:14 PM

ZOMG that is SO sad frown awwww i'm right there grieving w/ the lil one frown Poor lil gurl...i hope everything works out and ya find her a new friend...she looks like she could use one ... good luck 2 you and Pika
Posted By: pixiedust

Re: Grieving Glider (video attached) - 12/05/06 08:20 PM

I didn't realize that sound was crying...Gizmo makes that sound fairly often. I've only had him about a month, do you think he could be grieving for his parents and twin sis?
Posted By: Anonymous

Re: Grieving Glider (video attached) - 12/05/06 08:32 PM

Awwwww Suz, That is the saddest thing I've ever seen!! I feel for you and Pika. I hope you can find her the right companion so she won't be so lonely! I'll say a special prayer for you guys!! Hope everything works out!!
Posted By: sugarglidersuz

Re: Grieving Glider (video attached) - 12/05/06 09:16 PM

Originally Posted By: pixiedust
Gizmo makes that sound fairly often. I've only had him about a month, do you think he could be grieving for his parents and twin sis?

How old is Gizmo? It is not uncommon for joeys to cry, especially when they are first brought home. Yes, it would be from grieving for his parents and any siblings. If your Gizmo is crying like this, then he needs to be given a companion or he needs to spend more time with you...

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Sundra,
Pika is about 13 years old, I believe...
Yes, I did allow Pika to see Cricky's body after he passed over. However, within seconds she realized he was dead and she started whimpering and sniffing around, then nosing at him and whimpering more. So, I didn't let her spend much time with him because I thought it was doing more harm than good. cry

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Everyone, I am seriously considering getting Pika a new companion at this point. However, I am waiting for a reply from Mary H (I sent her a PM to ask for her expert opinion) on whether it is advisable or not. And, if so, whether a joey or another special needs glider would be the better option. My concerns regarding a joey are that Pika's cage is set up specially for her due to her special needs and so there aren't the typical toys nor the wheel that most joeys would need to keep their activity levels as high as needed. I'm afraid a joey would get bored in her cage. It is just right for Pika (and was good for Cricky, too), but would not be good for a healthy, active glider.
Again, I'm open to suggestions and to all advise at this point in time for her...
Thanks for all your love and concern... We both deeply appreciate it.
hug2 hug2 hug2
Posted By: Anonymous

Re: Grieving Glider (video attached) - 12/05/06 09:33 PM

upset

As sad and hard as that video is to watch - it sure does remind us all how much these little ones feel human emotion.

Suz, I wish you luck in finding Pika a companion (if that's what you decide to do). Until then, give that little girl a few extra treats and kisses from me heart
Posted By: Anonymous

Re: Grieving Glider (video attached) - 12/05/06 09:46 PM

Maybe a very young glider would be safe with her, like 8-12 weeks OOP. They would look to her for comfort because they would be so young and it would really suprise me if they would hurt her. It might bring her some comfort, or tap into some old mothering instincts in her. Just a thought. Please let us know if you find someone for her. I will keep my ear out for any retired gliders too, just in case. Im so sorry, I feel just terrible for her. Sending love your and pikas way....
Posted By: TracieB

Re: Grieving Glider (video attached) - 12/05/06 09:51 PM

I knew I shouldn't have watched it, but I did anyway. Now I can't stop crying for poor little Pika and you. How sad for you to have to watch her go through that every day, and how sad for her that she can't find Cricky. Sending both of you hug2 hug2 , good thoughts, and prayers. heart
Posted By: BCChins

Re: Grieving Glider (video attached) - 12/05/06 09:51 PM

I am so sorry you and Pika have to go though this. It just breaks my heart to hear her like that. Hugs to you both.
Posted By: Anonymous

Re: Grieving Glider (video attached) - 12/05/06 10:10 PM

Oh, poor Pika... that almost made me cry. frown I'm lucky in that Kadabra doesn't really seem to be grieving... I left Abra in the cage with him for a while so that he could say his goodbyes, and I think that really helped him accept it. He's been much more cuddly with me ever since-- I think that's his way of dealing with things.
Posted By: Kitkatt1216

Re: Grieving Glider (video attached) - 12/06/06 12:52 AM

Thats so sad! I'm sorry you had to lose a glider and now suffer along with this little one. I'll keep my ears open, too, for a good possible companion
Posted By: Paula0442

Re: Grieving Glider (video attached) - 12/06/06 01:07 AM

My deepest sympathies to you, your husband and especially Pika.
Posted By: Mel2mdl

Re: Grieving Glider (video attached) - 12/06/06 01:15 AM

i feel sooooo sorry for you and Pika! cry
Posted By: thefotokat

Re: Grieving Glider (video attached) - 12/06/06 01:18 AM

Suz, I finally watched the video and it just makes you want to pick her up and hug her! Seeing just a few moments of this has been enough to make so many of us cry, so I can't imagine how much you're hurting. First the loss of Cricky and now watching Pika hurt! cry
There are so many people on this board who are keeping you both in our thoughts and hearts. mlove
I'll be interested to hear what MaryH has to say and if she agrees another special needs baby would be best, any modifications to introducing them. Knowing how I've had to modify Flo's cage, I still think a young active glider would not do well. I also think it might be a bit overwhelming for Pika, but she was used to Cricky doing his laps around the cage. Let us know what you decide.
hug2 hug2 hug2 hug2 hug2 hug2
Posted By: FURBYnGIZMO

Re: Grieving Glider (video attached) - 12/06/06 01:26 AM



Suz whatever you decide to do with this special little girl I know in my heart it will be the right thing to do hug2

You care so deeply for Pika (& all your gliders) I know this must be hard for you as well as her without Cricky there worried

I pray that you both recover from such a loss soon...it's never a full recovery but even a little would do to not see you both so sad upset

Posted By: Anonymous

Re: Grieving Glider (video attached) - 12/06/06 01:36 AM

aww... poor baby girl. I feel for her! My glider geranimo used to make that noise before we got him a cage mate, it's such a horrible sound and it makes me feel so bad, I hope you can find her another buddy so she can be happy again cry
Posted By: pappy1264

Re: Grieving Glider (video attached) - 12/06/06 02:20 AM

Oh, that is just too sad! Poor baby, she just doesn't understand. I'm sorry you are both going through all this. Animals can grieve very hard for their mates. I pray her heart will heal soon (both of your hearts!)

Posted By: Xfilefan

Re: Grieving Glider (video attached) - 12/06/06 03:00 AM

I didn't say in PM, but when you have her on you...keep her next to your heart. I know with Riker, he'd get worse in a pouch, but improved in my shirt where he could hear my heartbeat and share warmth...with her being blind that might be even more important to her. Worth a try. worried
Posted By: sugarglidersuz

Re: Grieving Glider (video attached) - 12/06/06 04:56 AM

I have tried many times over the past couple of weeks to put her over my heart and she has popped back out immediately, only to climb around to my back and snuggle down between my shoulder blades between my shirt & my hoodie (this is where she habitually goes when my hubby holds her). Tonight though, after she ate her breakfast, she climbed onto me and dove down my shirt, cuddled up right over my heart and fell sound asleep heart I felt so guilty when it was time for me to get ready for bed frown So, I tucked her into her pouch with a snuggly blankie, but she popped her head out right away. I rubbed her until she fell back asleep. My hubby was able to get some pix of her sound asleep in her pouch... Here she is... sleep sleep sleep

Posted By: Anonymous

Re: Grieving Glider (video attached) - 12/06/06 05:00 AM

Poor girl. I just want to give her a big kiss right on that cute little forward of hers. hug2
Posted By: sugarglidersuz

Re: Grieving Glider (video attached) - 12/06/06 11:09 AM

Okay, my husband and I discussed Pika's situation at length last night and we've decided to get her a joey as a companion. I've contacted Elisabeth (sil) and she has a joey who will be 8 weeks old on 12/16 that we are going to get for Pika. I know I can trust sil's judgement that this joey has the right temperament for what Pika needs. heart In "chatting" with Teresa (dancing) about the cage set-up, we figured out how to modify a Rescue Wheel to be Pika-friendly and still be good for the joey, so she is going to be sending one to me this week. I've also got some ideas on how to re-specialize the cage so that it's both Pika & joey friendly. Now I just have to be patient and wait until I can get the joey from Utah to here once she's old enough. Plus, I need to continue to keep Pika with me as much as possible during the interim. Hmmmm... I have to start thinking of names, too...
So exciting, thinking about getting a joey that I can keep!!! mlove
It's kind of odd to be a breeder and have to go elsewhere to get a joey, but I only have 2 joeys oop right now and they're both promised to other people already. I don't want to wait a couple of months until Bittah's joeys come oop and then are old enough to be weaned because I really feel like Pika needs someone ASAP...
Sorry, I'm rambling...
Thanks again to all of you for your love & support through this whole ordeal.
hug2 hug2 hug2
Posted By: thefotokat

Re: Grieving Glider (video attached) - 12/06/06 12:22 PM

OK, so about 11 days until Pika can have a friend. I'm glad sil has a good prospect for you. Let us know how they do once they meet. I'm just glad there's hope for Pika to be happy again! mlove
Posted By: sugarglidersuz

Re: Grieving Glider (video attached) - 12/06/06 12:32 PM

Me, too! I'm so happy about this decision. It's good to be moving in a positive direction! thumb I will definitely post an update with pictures of their introductions... heart
Posted By: minkasmom

Re: Grieving Glider (video attached) - 12/06/06 01:43 PM

Suz, my heart wrenched to watch that video...nobody here at work understands the tears streaming down my cheeks.

I'm so HAPPY you've chosen to get her a new friend. She needs one SO DESPERATELY.

If there's anything we can do to help, please just say so.

As far as names....is this going to be a boy? If so, I think Gabriel would be the PERFECT name (a little angel for your Pika).

Give Pika extra hugs & kisses from all of us...there are only 10 days now!
Posted By: glidrz5

Re: Grieving Glider (video attached) - 12/06/06 01:47 PM

Suz, I'm so glad that Pica is going to have a friend soon. I think this will be good for her & give her something to love & Mother. Give that sweet girl a kiss from me.
hug2 hug2 hug2
Posted By: BeckiT

Re: Grieving Glider (video attached) - 12/06/06 02:24 PM

I'm so glad she's going to have a friend!! Wishing her and her "baby" many more years of happiness!
Posted By: BCChins

Re: Grieving Glider (video attached) - 12/06/06 07:52 PM

Suz I am glad Pika will be geting a little one to love on. Please keep us postedon how everything goes. I am excited for you and Pika!
Best Wishes
Posted By: sugarglidersuz

Re: Grieving Glider (video attached) - 12/06/06 09:48 PM

For those of you interested in Pika's new (soon-to-be) companion, you can see Elisabeth's ad on Classified Central by going Here. I'm not sure yet which of the joeys pictured is going to be Pika's new companion, but they're both adorable mlove

I brought Pika to work with me today by tucking her into the special pouch in my Pouch Pocket Shirt. She did very well and hasn't cried today at all. She's still sleeping right next to my heart and so I think I'll be wearing this shirt a lot until her new friend gets here grin
Posted By: thefotokat

Re: Grieving Glider (video attached) - 12/06/06 09:52 PM

Oh Suz, they're beautiful!!! I'm so glad Pika had a good day today. Maybe she knows how many people are thinking of her...she's a very special glider. mlove
Posted By: BeckiT

Re: Grieving Glider (video attached) - 12/06/06 11:09 PM

They're adorable! Congrats on Pika's new friend and on a good day for her as well smile
Posted By: LSardou

Re: Grieving Glider (video attached) - 12/06/06 11:56 PM

hug2 hug2 hug2 hug2 Suz, I am so so sorry that you and Pika are having to feel so much sadness. It's true people sometimes just don't realize that "animals" feel almost as much as humans. I wished I knew what to say or do to help. Everyones suggestions are great! As to your concern on getting a little one because of the cage setup, I wonder if maybe you could set it up to where there were two cages connected (sorta like a tunnel passing thru from one to the other. Oneside for Pika and the other for the other glider to play. Has she ever had joeys? I'm wondering if she had a joey to "nurture" (it's like with us humans, sometimes our pain will lessen when we can help or love another in need). She sounds like a very loving girl, and this could help lessen her grief.
I agree, she dose need a companion. I feel that this emotional upset of saddness will take a toll on her health. Please know that your in my prayers and the angles above are looking after you and your baby girl. heart

I am sorry, I missed the last page here...gee wizzzzzz, what wonderful news! I am so happy that you did find a companion for Pika....(I left my original post) just so you knew that I was praying for you earlier. Good Luck and Blessings to you , Pika and her new companion!
Posted By: Anonymous

Re: Grieving Glider (video attached) - 12/07/06 04:54 AM

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