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Re: what is killing my gliders???? [Re: ] #549208
05/12/08 07:00 PM
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Oh No!!!

I am so sorry about the loss of your three little ones. We are mourning little Diego over here as well..

I am so sorry - I hope a necropsy will shed some light on all of this. I too, would suspect the pellets and crickets for causing this..

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Amanda


Amanda, Jeff&

A Pomchi named Wickett
A Yorkie named Meeya
A Great Dane named Berlyn
5 Cats Kamorah, Aiko, Mo, Peekaboo, & Alice
Someday Ill have more suggies... frown
2 skin kids - Xander Finlay James March6 2010, and Rohan Kingsley July 5 2011

Re: what is killing my gliders???? [Re: pappy1264] #549210
05/12/08 07:02 PM
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Rereading your first post, I would say to focus on the brain. I am no expert, but your description, with the actions and the sudden blindness leads me to believe it is in the brain. Praying your little girl will be ok. This is very scary.


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Re: what is killing my gliders???? [Re: pappy1264] #549212
05/12/08 07:07 PM
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I am so sorry, praying your little one is ok and does not come down with this illness.

Re: what is killing my gliders???? [Re: ] #549216
05/12/08 07:18 PM
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im so terrified and upset, i believe it might be something nurological as well, little denise is acting fairly normal right now but im worried shes blinking her eyes a lot, i dunno if im being over observant or not, im scared, i hope she will be okay, im so upset over whats happened frown im dropping off the body tomorrow morning to get the necrospy done, hopefully this will shead some light on what has happened to my babies, this has been a very heart breaking weekend for me

Re: what is killing my gliders???? [Re: ] #549218
05/12/08 07:21 PM
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hug2 I can not imagine how much you are hurting. Just know that there are a lot of people on here that are hurting with you and praying for your little one to stay healthy!

Re: what is killing my gliders???? [Re: ] #549219
05/12/08 07:22 PM
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Oh I am so sorry to hear about your little ones frown

I hope you will be able to find out what caused this and that denise will be ok. Spend a lot of time with her too..she lost all her buds so quickly, she's gonna need some major TLC from her momma!!

Re: what is killing my gliders???? [Re: ] #549223
05/12/08 07:31 PM
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Aflatoxins comes to mind...contact Laura_Leigh or Ellen by pm... they might be able to offer some advice. Both the pellets or the crickets could be the source.

I'm so sorry to hear of your losses. I can't imagine the pain.


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Re: what is killing my gliders???? [Re: Dancing] #549225
05/12/08 07:36 PM
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My goodness gracious, you must be heartbroken! I am so sorry cry .

Something somehow somewhere is toxic. As advised, I would also stop the crickets and pellet food immediately until you know the source.

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Re: what is killing my gliders???? [Re: Karin] #549229
05/12/08 07:43 PM
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again i want to say how very sorry i am. sending love and hugs.

Re: what is killing my gliders???? [Re: ] #549234
05/12/08 07:54 PM
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Oh My goodness I am so sorry to hear this. certainly sounds like aflatoxins.........
many (((((hugs)))) to you!


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Re: what is killing my gliders???? [Re: Cora] #549245
05/12/08 08:04 PM
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just sending out prayers for you and your little one

Re: what is killing my gliders???? [Re: pappy1264] #549246
05/12/08 08:04 PM
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Oh my goodness!

Stef I am so sorry to hear about your babies. . . I will pray that Denise will not be affected.

My prayers will be with you and the baby.

Ruth

Re: what is killing my gliders???? [Re: ] #549251
05/12/08 08:13 PM
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I am sooo sorry for your losses,, sending prayers to you and Denise,, I hope she will remain ok


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Re: what is killing my gliders???? [Re: ] #549253
05/12/08 08:17 PM
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Equate is a store brand of Insure.

My guess is that their diet was contaminated. I would stop feeding the Equate, dry pellets and insects.

Wash everything down such as cage, water bottle, and toys with Hot Soapy Water with a bleach solution of 1/2 cup of bleach to 1 gallon of hot water. Follow with a through rinse. pouches and fabric toys... machine wash in hot water and dry in the dryer.

Throw out stored bedding. Use paper towels for now. Tape to tray to keep them from being pulled through the grate.

Request a direct fecal float and stain on the remaining glider ASAP so you can at least rule out a possible parasite.

hug2

Re: what is killing my gliders???? [Re: Judie] #549258
05/12/08 08:20 PM
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The gliders were having seizures. Often their neck is stretched as is the rest of the body. Rapid eye movement.

Seizures are common with dehydration/illness when the blood chemistry is out of sync. Usually seen when the illness is severe.

Re: what is killing my gliders???? [Re: ] #549263
05/12/08 08:26 PM
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Does the equate come in a can?

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Re: what is killing my gliders???? [Re: Cora] #549265
05/12/08 08:28 PM
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I must agree with Dancing....Aflatoxins. Please get Denise to the vet, even an emergency vet to have her checked. Also, take the pellets and crickets and have them checked for Aflatoxins.


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Re: what is killing my gliders???? [Re: Izzyandrileysmom] #549270
05/12/08 08:36 PM
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Stef - I'm so sorry to hear about your dear three.

I am holding a good thought for darling Denise, and for you. I can't even imagine the horror of what you are going through.


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Re: what is killing my gliders???? [Re: Izzyandrileysmom] #549271
05/12/08 08:39 PM
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I am so sorry for your loss's!! cry I agree with Judie, crub the cage down well, disinfect, and get new food, serve nothing of the old! Other then crickets are there any other treats? I think it sounds like Afaltoxins as well. Many hugs and prayers for your right now! hug2 hug2 hug2

Questin question If it is Aflatoxins, is there anything they can do for Denise now?


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Re: what is killing my gliders???? [Re: GliderLove] #549289
05/12/08 09:29 PM
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hug2 hug2 hug2 You and your little ones have my prayers.


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Re: what is killing my gliders???? [Re: GliderLove] #549290
05/12/08 09:31 PM
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My prayers be with you and Denise.

Please get that baby to a vet asap... I understand if you're strapped on cash, after all of those babies dying... but you might wanna have an exam done on her. Until then, feed fresh *washed* fruits and veggies (frozen is fine) and perhaps eggs, yogurt, etc. Stop feeding the pellets, equate, and all insects. It *does* sound neurological, and things like that are usually from a toxin rather than contracted from a cagemate.

Is your cage a traditional cage, or is it perhaps made from some other material? Are you using any cleaners in the room?

Re: what is killing my gliders???? [Re: ] #549295
05/12/08 09:41 PM
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I am so sorry you lost your babies. hug2 hugs for you.
Prayers for Denise


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Re: what is killing my gliders???? [Re: ] #549298
05/12/08 09:44 PM
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Stef, I am so sorry this is happening to you! cry

Please keep us updated and let us know if the vet found out anything else or if he came up with a conclusion as to whats going on. You are in my thoughts and prayers! Im so sorry!

Re: what is killing my gliders???? [Re: ] #549311
05/12/08 10:12 PM
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I think the equate was frozen mixed veggies. Equate is walmart's brandname that is on all of their products whether it's medicine or frozen vegetables or nutrition drinks.

Re: what is killing my gliders???? [Re: pappy1264] #549312
05/12/08 10:19 PM
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i'm so sorry for you!!!
please hang in there, i hope your other baby
does not come down with this.
can u please let us all know what happens!!
if u find out what did this can u please let us know!

Re: what is killing my gliders???? [Re: ] #549427
05/13/08 12:53 AM
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I'm so sory for your loss's. I will be praying for you and little Denise.


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Re: what is killing my gliders???? [Re: Sherri] #549449
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I'm sorry for your loss, I sure hope the other baby is fine. hug2


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Re: what is killing my gliders???? [Re: jannee66] #549461
05/13/08 02:52 AM
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I'm so sorry for your terrible loss! We'll keep Denise in our prayers!


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Re: what is killing my gliders???? [Re: Suggiegramma] #549500
05/13/08 07:02 AM
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If you take Deigo in for a necropsy, please ask them to check the liver for aflatoxosis. If it is, you will need to modify Denise's diet, you won't know if she was affected by it or not until its too late. If she starts to show symptoms, keep her warm and syringe feed a 50/50 combo of Pedialyte and baby Yogurt juice. Keep a very close eye on her... this is screaming aflatoxins to me. if this turns out to be aflatoxins, PM me and I'll give you my number. I've got a TON of info and tips/tricks....

oh, and sack the pellets and crickets... those are two of the top main sources for aflatoxins in gliders.

IF your vet treats large farm animals, they may have an aflatoxin quick test that they can test the pellets with, but I'm not sure how they would test the crickets, since it is part of the DNA.... But its worth a shot.

Re: what is killing my gliders???? [Re: ] #549501
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Laura:

I read and was watching the post on Jorn's Act and again I have to save bravo to you for all you have done and continue to do. I am sending you a pm, as I have a question. Thanks!


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