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#122211 - 07/20/06 02:50 PM Is temperament a factor to consider when breeding?
WholeheartMom Offline
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I hear all the time that gliders have their own personalities... I found that to be so true with my little colony. However, I am wondering if temperament is a factor to consider when breeding.

I am aware that many other variables also affect temperament (nature vs. nuture) but has anyone noticed a tendency for the offspring to have similar personalities to their parents... For instance, friendliness, people orientation, preference for certain foods, annoyance and crabbing at the same things, inclination towards aggressiveness and certain behaviors, etc.

The second part of my question deals with what factors to consider when breeding. I see a lot of emphasis on genetic background, color, appearance, age and health, but what else (if anything) is also considered?
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#122212 - 07/20/06 03:24 PM Re: Is temperament a factor to consider when breed [Re: ]
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[:"green"]I believe that temperament should also be factored in when considering whether or not to breed a certain glider. This is not always easy to take into consideration when adopting a young joey; but if the personalities of the parents can be checked out first, that helps...

This is one of the reasons that rehomed/rescued gliders should not be bred. There is no way to know what their true personality would be like under good circumstances for at least a year after getting them.
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#122213 - 07/20/06 03:33 PM Re: Is temperament a factor to consider when breeding? [Re: ]
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I would say yes, absolutely temperament should be VERY high on the factors to consider when breeding. An easy going nature can certainly be passed down genetically as well as the fact that while the joeys are with their parents, they will learn from how their parents react to humans.

I would even go so far as to say that temperament should be the MOST important factor, aside from genetic disorders. Certainly over and above colors. No matter how beautiful that leu or WFB is, if it's a pit bull biter, it will be hard to place in a loving home. When you think of all the gliders in rescue, most of the time it's because their people weren't able to bond with them or the gliders were more difficult to bond with than the person expected. So to me, temperament would seem to play a large part in how happy and stable a life the joey ends up having. Also, breeding for temperament will help to make gliders in general more domesticated and better suited for the pet trade.

This may seem <img src="/ubbthreads/images/graemlins/offtopic.gif" alt="" /> but it really isn't even though it's about dogs. When we were looking for a new puppy, our biggest concern was how it would behave with our kids. I remembered the best dog I had while growing up was an American Eskimo named Snowbird. So we started checking in to Eskies. Most of the people we talked to who just knew dogs in general but not Eskies specifically said that the reputation of AE's was that they were "snappy" which was just the opposite of what we wanted. However, whenever we talked to people who actually kept and/or bred Eskies, they said that was how the breed used to be, but the really good breeders had been working for decades to improve the temperament of them with quite a bit of success. They said the miniatures and toys still had bad attitudes because breeding for size had been a priority in order to get the smaller sizes, but standard Eskies, when acquired from a reputable breeder were very good. They also said to stay away from "backyard breeders" because they were usually just breeding to make money off of the dog they already happened to have (in the back yard) and were not working to improve the breed. We now have a 2 1/2 year old AE who is just every bit as good as my Snowbird was. She is patient and never snaps at anyone, child or otherwise. So anyway, the point of all that was to show that yes, temperament counts, for the good of the joey you have and of future generations! <img src="/ubbthreads/images/graemlins/agree.gif" alt="" />

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#122214 - 07/20/06 03:37 PM Re: Is temperament a factor to consider when breed [Re: ]
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Hum, things to take into consideration when breeding gliders...

1: health of the gliders being breed
2: health of joeys, parents, siblings, etc of gliders being breed
3: parenting ability of gliders being breed
4: temperment of gliders being breed
5: genetic history of gliders being breed (do they have a genealogy and how closely are the parents related (2nd cousins at the closest))
6: color

The last concern of any breeder should be color. Though I do own color variation gliders, I want all of my gliders to be healthy and tame and will not breed them other wise. I think a lot more breeders need to take these things into concideration when they breed so that people aren't spending hundreds and even thousands of dollars on gliders they can't handle and that will end up getting bounced from home to home...

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#122215 - 07/20/06 08:42 PM Re: Is temperament a factor to consider when breed [Re: ]
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I have Reep, who is just the sweetest most laid back guy. His daugher Daisy, just as sweet and friendly, His twins, again, very sweet though they weren't handled much for the first 6months of their life (before I got them) so were a little on the wilder side but still sweet gliders and really came around while they were here. Then there was Charlie, his last joey (before being neutered). Charlie was so friendly and sweet and outgoing. Always eager to come see me.

Reep's twin brother was Cider. CarrieT's first glider and she said that Cider had that same sweet personality. (Charlie now lives with Carrie). So based on this family of gliders, I would have to say yes, definately, temperment does pass down genetically.
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#122216 - 07/21/06 12:34 AM Re: Is temperament a factor to consider when breed [Re: ]
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Peeper Keeper, I like your analogy about the dogs... I have three toy dogs that aren't dangerously aggressive but they bark like the dickens at other people and have bonded to our family only. I didn't get any of them from responsible breeders (pet shop, backyard rescue) so maybe that's the difference.

I also liked when you said:

"I would even go so far as to say that temperament should be the MOST important factor, aside from genetic disorders. Certainly over and above colors."

I couldn't agree with you more.
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#122217 - 07/21/06 12:40 AM Re: Is temperament a factor to consider when breed [Re: ]
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</font><blockquote><font class="small">Quote:</font><hr />
Hum, things to take into consideration when breeding gliders...

1: health of the gliders being breed
2: health of joeys, parents, siblings, etc of gliders being breed
3: parenting ability of gliders being breed
4: temperment of gliders being breed
5: genetic history of gliders being breed (do they have a genealogy and how closely are the parents related (2nd cousins at the closest))
6: color

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Leyna, I like your list...I was trying to place your items in order of importance and I was having a hard time! I really think that parenting ability is very important, although we have the ability to help out in some cases. Genetics and health are very important too, as is the temperament of the gliders. Color, I agree, should be a less important factor.
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#122218 - 07/21/06 12:43 AM Re: Is temperament a factor to consider when breed [Re: ]
WholeheartMom Offline
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</font><blockquote><font class="small">Quote:</font><hr />
I have Reep, who is just the sweetest most laid back guy. His daugher Daisy, just as sweet and friendly, His twins, again, very sweet though they weren't handled much for the first 6months of their life (before I got them) so were a little on the wilder side but still sweet gliders and really came around while they were here. Then there was Charlie, his last joey (before being neutered). Charlie was so friendly and sweet and outgoing. Always eager to come see me.

Reep's twin brother was Cider. CarrieT's first glider and she said that Cider had that same sweet personality. (Charlie now lives with Carrie). So based on this family of gliders, I would have to say yes, definately, temperment does pass down genetically.

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Dancing, I am so glad to hear your experience. I have a male glider with an outstanding temperment and I greatly desire to see his loving nature passed on, if it indeed can be. I hope I have a story just like yours to tell one day!
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#122219 - 07/21/06 01:25 AM Re: Is temperament a factor to consider when breed [Re: ]
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Thanks, it's something I've put a lot of thought into. Unfortunately, some times things get a little hazy, even when you have a list like that though. I have a male that is very healthy himself, is a good father, has a great temperment/personality, and the genetics for white tipped tails, but most of his joeys have had health problems (2 had kidney problems and 3 were minis). I really don't want to have him neutered, but at the same time, I realize it's best for the species as a whole, so I will get him neutered...

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#122220 - 07/21/06 01:27 AM Re: Is temperament a factor to consider when breed [Re: ]
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I truly believe temperment matters. My girl had joeys at the same time as a rescue pair. The rescues were crabby and would bite and lunge. My kiddos, of course, are tame. Giz and Sprocket's babies are always sweet and act like their parents.

The rescues had one little girl and even though I handled her twice as much as the twins from Sprocket, she just never calmed down. The older she got, the more she behaved wildly like her parents. However, she was adopted out successfully and has since become a bra baby but it took several months to see progress.

I personally would only ever breed gliders with good temperments for that main reason. I really think the parents are a HUGE influence on their little ones.
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#122221 - 07/21/06 06:17 AM Re: Is temperament a factor to consider when breed [Re: ]
WholeheartMom Offline
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Leyna, I applaud your decision. You are truly a responsible breeder in every sense of the word <img src="/ubbthreads/images/graemlins/yelclap.gif" alt="" />
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#122222 - 07/21/06 06:23 AM Re: Is temperament a factor to consider when breed [Re: ]
WholeheartMom Offline
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</font><blockquote><font class="small">Quote:</font><hr />
I personally would only ever breed gliders with good temperments for that main reason. I really think the parents are a HUGE influence on their little ones.

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I agree... I think we make a difference by our loving care and handling of them, but the most profound effect has got to be their mother and father. Whether it is genetic (nature) or just taught by observation (nuture) I can't tell, but I do think the parents will model certain behavior to the joeys that may be mimicked by them later on.
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#122223 - 07/21/06 11:39 AM Re: Is temperament a factor to consider when breed [Re: ]
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</font><blockquote><font class="small">Quote:</font><hr />
I think we make a difference by our loving care and handling of them, but the most profound effect has got to be their mother and father. Whether it is genetic (nature) or just taught by observation (nuture) I can't tell, but I do think the parents will model certain behavior to the joeys that may be mimicked by them later on.

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This is exactly my thoughts on the subject.

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