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#468333 - 02/03/08 02:05 PM For the Good of the Glider....Your Pics
Xfilefan Offline
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Registered: 02/22/03
Posts: 8899
Loc: Jacksonville, FL
I need pictures from EVERYONE who has had a Self Mutilator. Three kinds.

1. In the Collar
2. Damage they have done to themselves-don't edit or make it look "better" - blood shows the ugly reality of a Self Mutilator.
3. Post SM and out of the collar, or a postmortem if it applies.

I thought about this last night, and if a glider came to you having previously SMed or suffered loss of limb/tail, you can add yours also.

Include the glider's name on every pic.

The goal is at least 300 to chose from/sort thru - for a very special project that should be ready by JULY.

Send all pictures to this email address:

glidinhigh@aol.com

Or you can post here and give permission for the pics to be used in a way to help the critters all of us are here for.

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#468341 - 02/03/08 02:19 PM Re: For the Good of the Glider....Your Pics [Re: Xfilefan]
Xglider Offline
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Registered: 01/18/05
Posts: 11157
Loc: Tampa, FL
Good luck Jen! … I think this is a great educational effort … I do not have any SM pics to add … sorry I can’t help .. but glad I have not had to deal with SM …
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#468343 - 02/03/08 02:23 PM Re: For the Good of the Glider....Your Pics [Re: Xglider]
SugarBaby22 Offline
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Registered: 07/18/02
Posts: 5697
Loc: Phoenix, AZ
Unfortunately when I had an active SMer I didn't have a good camera and wasn't one of those to take photos of everything.. but I e-mailed you a photo that I have. thumb
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#468345 - 02/03/08 02:25 PM Re: For the Good of the Glider....Your Pics [Re: SugarBaby22]
Xfilefan Offline
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Registered: 02/22/03
Posts: 8899
Loc: Jacksonville, FL
Thanks Linda hug2 I know they're out there. I see them all every time a new one comes along....
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#468431 - 02/03/08 04:36 PM Re: For the Good of the Glider....Your Pics [Re: Xfilefan]
cyndiekb Offline
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Registered: 10/08/03
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Jen You can use any of Teddy you need. I don't have any with damage because he was caught before any happened. (people take note listen to the tape of the SM sound and have ecollars on hand) I got Bourbon and the ecollar right away. Yay for Teddy.


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Description: Teddy trying to get yogurt drop parts

Teddytuckered.png (134 downloads)
Description: Teddy doing his SGGA speech stopping pose


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#468435 - 02/03/08 04:42 PM Re: For the Good of the Glider....Your Pics [Re: cyndiekb]
melek007 Offline
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Registered: 01/03/07
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Loc: Eastern NC
I have pictures of Levent in his ecollar. He didn't SM, just kept removing what was closing the surgery area... didn't get any pictures of that. If you want him in his e-collar, I have plenty to choose from. Just PM me.
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#468436 - 02/03/08 04:44 PM Re: For the Good of the Glider....Your Pics [Re: melek007]
Xfilefan Offline
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Registered: 02/22/03
Posts: 8899
Loc: Jacksonville, FL
Attach or send to the email provided. He qualifies.
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#468438 - 02/03/08 04:48 PM Re: For the Good of the Glider....Your Pics [Re: Xfilefan]
melek007 Offline
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I'm getting ready to post them soon (they're uploading to photobucket as I type). You'll have about 10 to choose from. If you need to crop them, that's fine.
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#468442 - 02/03/08 04:51 PM Re: For the Good of the Glider....Your Pics [Re: melek007]
melek007 Offline
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Edited by melek007 (02/03/08 05:03 PM)
Edit Reason: added more links
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#468448 - 02/03/08 05:04 PM Re: For the Good of the Glider....Your Pics [Re: melek007]
BeckiT Offline
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Registered: 09/29/06
Posts: 16083
Loc: Manitowoc, WI
I got your pic Linda, thank you!
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#468813 - 02/04/08 03:26 AM Re: For the Good of the Glider....Your Pics [Re: BeckiT]
SugarBaby22 Offline
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Registered: 07/18/02
Posts: 5697
Loc: Phoenix, AZ
Do you happen to want pictures of overgroomers too? Since, in a way, it's doing "damage" to themselves?

I've got some good ones of Bandit when he was missing hair all over the place.. and I know Teresa has some of Reepicheep.
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#468815 - 02/04/08 04:04 AM Re: For the Good of the Glider....Your Pics [Re: SugarBaby22]
Xfilefan Offline
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Registered: 02/22/03
Posts: 8899
Loc: Jacksonville, FL
Not for this one. Maybe we can do something similar for those and rescues in general later on-I'd like to. I've had some come to me in pretty terrible shape, including a little girl that by the time I got her she had only a few days-she looked a lot like Reep did, and very thin-I just didn't have enough time to work with her-her cagemate is still doing wonderfully though. For this one just the SMs and loss of limb/hand/foot/tail... Although, mating wounds and similar would qualify, since it's one glider mutilating another one, technically and if in the wrong place could also require a collar and has in some cases, even low enough on the neck they can reach it.

If you (meaning anyone) know someone who maybe has pics, though, let them know about this. I remember the pictures over the last several years, but not all of the posters. ohwell And with my schedules the time I have for searches is limited, though I do intend to try to find some of them. Most of my computer time is at work...I can see attachments but not photobucket or other web based pics.


Edited by Xfilefan (02/04/08 04:05 AM)
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#468873 - 02/04/08 08:28 AM Re: For the Good of the Glider....Your Pics [Re: Xfilefan]
Cora Offline
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Registered: 04/16/05
Posts: 6573
Loc: Kilgore, Texas
Spencer with the shot glass type ecollar:
http://i5.photobucket.com/albums/y164/angelfish_37/IMG_0457.jpg

Spencers tummy after he kicked the collar and went after his pom removal site:
http://i5.photobucket.com/albums/y164/angelfish_37/IMG_0454.jpg

Spencer with sattelite ecollar
http://i5.photobucket.com/albums/y164/angelfish_37/IMG_0477.jpg

Spencer getting antibiotics:
http://i5.photobucket.com/albums/y164/angelfish_37/IMG_0485.jpg

Spencer originally attacked his privates on Jan 13 2008. I dont have a pic of that........he was caught in time so no major damage was done. He remains in an ecollar. You may absolutely use these pics Jen.
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#468876 - 02/04/08 08:30 AM Re: For the Good of the Glider....Your Pics [Re: Cora]
Jennifer_Maaske Offline
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I can't imagine how hard it is to keep an e-collar on a glider
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#468881 - 02/04/08 08:54 AM Re: For the Good of the Glider....Your Pics [Re: Jennifer_Maaske]
Usha77 Offline
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Registered: 03/05/07
Posts: 4007
Loc: Greeley, CO
You can use any of these pictures of Lan. Unfortunately, when he was SMing after his neuter - I was too stressed out to get any pictures of his actual wound - and even as it was healing, I just never thought about it until it was finally healed & of course, I wish I had gotten pics every step of the way...

Here's after his tail was amputated (due to his SMing it February 2007 - less than a week after I got him) and he chewed off the site:
http://i44.photobucket.com/albums/f38/Usha77/Lan-2.jpg
http://i44.photobucket.com/albums/f38/Usha77/Lanstail.jpg
http://i44.photobucket.com/albums/f38/Usha77/LanOuchieTail.jpg

Here his tail is nearly completely healed after a couple of months:
http://i44.photobucket.com/albums/f38/Usha77/LanNearlyHealed.jpg
http://i44.photobucket.com/albums/f38/Usha77/LanNearlyHealed2.jpg


And then of course, there was the post neuter SM in July 2007.
Here he is in the collar:
http://i44.photobucket.com/albums/f38/Usha77/PoorGuy.jpg
http://i44.photobucket.com/albums/f38/Usha77/LanInCollarWithMealie.jpg
http://i44.photobucket.com/albums/f38/Usha77/LanCollar.jpg
http://i44.photobucket.com/albums/f38/Usha77/LanCollar2.jpg

Here's a pic of his temporary cage:
http://i44.photobucket.com/albums/f38/Usha77/LansTempCage-1.jpg


Here he is fresh out of the collar (he had lost quite a bit of weight - don't worry, it's all back now!):
http://i44.photobucket.com/albums/f38/Usha77/LanOutOfCollar-1.jpg
http://i44.photobucket.com/albums/f38/Usha77/LanSoreNeck.jpg
http://i44.photobucket.com/albums/f38/Usha77/LovingIt.jpg
http://i44.photobucket.com/albums/f38/Usha77/LanOutOfCollar.jpg


And a couple recent pics for comparison:
http://i44.photobucket.com/albums/f38/Usha77/P1020419.jpg
http://i44.photobucket.com/albums/f38/Usha77/P1020416.jpg
http://i44.photobucket.com/albums/f38/Usha77/p10203522.jpg
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#469042 - 02/04/08 11:58 AM Re: For the Good of the Glider....Your Pics [Re: Usha77]
Dancing Offline
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Registered: 09/10/04
Posts: 22746
Loc: 80 acres of paradise in KS
Jen, the only pic I seem to be able to find of Sebastian and his tail is with him in the satalite collar and with the tail bandaged.(wrapped in a straw and duct tape). If this will help, you are welcome to use it.

With my fat boys, the shot glass style ecollars would NOT stay on them, they were able to just pop them right off so I had to use the satalite ones.

Will this help?


Oh, I found one of his tail with the initial injury, pre surgery.


Attachments
Sebastian satalite collar.JPG (80 downloads)
Sebastian's tail.JPG (73 downloads)

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#469459 - 02/04/08 09:08 PM Re: For the Good of the Glider....Your Pics [Re: Dancing]
Maxx2105
Unregistered


Oh No! When I get my gliders I hope they never do that. It is sooo sad...

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#469461 - 02/04/08 09:13 PM Re: For the Good of the Glider....Your Pics [Re: ]
SuggieLuver4941
Unregistered


You want some of Peanut? Some are graphic.

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#469485 - 02/04/08 09:48 PM Re: For the Good of the Glider....Your Pics [Re: ]
minkasmom Offline
Serious Glideritis

Registered: 11/08/04
Posts: 5965
Loc: Northeast Indiana
I looked through my Photobucket album, and I have 2 pics of gliders in an E-Collar or the Nich bandage...you're welcome to use both of them if they'd help. Both Micah and Willy Wonka were post-neuter SM's, and I was VERY FORTUNATE that they didn't continue hurting themselves after they healed up.

My album is under the same name as my screen name: Minkasmom.
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#469486 - 02/04/08 09:49 PM Re: For the Good of the Glider....Your Pics [Re: ]
BeckiT Offline
Glideritis Anonymous

Registered: 09/29/06
Posts: 16083
Loc: Manitowoc, WI
Originally Posted By: SuggieLuver4941
You want some of Peanut? Some are graphic.
Yes, please wink
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#469646 - 02/05/08 12:34 AM Re: For the Good of the Glider....Your Pics [Re: BeckiT]
Xfilefan Offline
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Registered: 02/22/03
Posts: 8899
Loc: Jacksonville, FL
I know Suz has some good pics of Mareki as well. Suz-we are needing your pics hug2

I also have some of a glider named Staples who SMed one front arm and his tail at the same time-I just need to find them-things got all shifted when I had to reload my computer.
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#469737 - 02/05/08 07:44 AM Re: For the Good of the Glider....Your Pics [Re: Xfilefan]
sugarglidersuz Offline
Glideritis Anonymous

Registered: 08/28/04
Posts: 14788
Loc: Cleveland, Ohio
Okay, I'll start with pix of Gizmo post-neutering... I don't have any of the actual damage he did to himself though shakehead


Attachments
Gizmo Passed Out after Neutering 001 rdc.JPG (60 downloads)
Description: This shows Gizmo still passed out from the anesthesia used for neutering - he had not yet started to SM, but did so as soon as he awakened :(

Gizmo Wrapped Up 001 rdc.JPG (43 downloads)
Description: This is Gizmo in a burrito-style wrap while I made up his e-collar...

Gizmo's E-collar 003 rdc.JPG (47 downloads)
Description: This is Gizmo in his e-collar (satellite style).

Gizmo's E-collar Cage 004 rdc.JPG (39 downloads)
Description: This is Gizmo with e-collar on in his hospital cage.

Gizmo's E-collar Cage 005 rdc.JPG (48 downloads)
Description: And this is a close-up of Gizmo with his e-collar on in his hospital cage. The trough-style feeder also shows in this one.


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#469744 - 02/05/08 07:51 AM Re: For the Good of the Glider....Your Pics [Re: sugarglidersuz]
sugarglidersuz Offline
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Loc: Cleveland, Ohio
I only have one picture of DaisyMae's back from the injury she sustained from Mareki... It was taken after the wound was debrided and sutured by the veterinarian, but then DaisyMae managed to remove most of the sutures via grooming with her hind foot...


Attachments
Daisy's Back rdc.JPG (69 downloads)

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#469747 - 02/05/08 07:53 AM Re: For the Good of the Glider....Your Pics [Re: sugarglidersuz]
Xfilefan Offline
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Registered: 02/22/03
Posts: 8899
Loc: Jacksonville, FL
Suz...what about Mareki's patagium?
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#469750 - 02/05/08 07:59 AM Re: For the Good of the Glider....Your Pics [Re: sugarglidersuz]
sugarglidersuz Offline
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Registered: 08/28/04
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Loc: Cleveland, Ohio
And here are pictures of Mareki's self mutilation of her patagium... warning, these are graphic and not for the faint-hearted frown

*note: I do have more pictures, but they are stored on my laptop, so I will upload those into this thread soon... Of course, you have my permission to use all of the pictures I have posted in this thread in your special project smile


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Mareki's E-Collar and Patagium Wound.JPG (76 downloads)
Description: This shows Mareki's e-collar and some of the wound she inflicted on herself in October, 2006.

Mareki's Patagium Wound 10'15'06 003 rdc.JPG (71 downloads)
Description: This shows the extent of the wound she inflicted on herself in October, 2006.

Mareki's Chest.jpg (63 downloads)
Description: This shows the initial wound she incurred in January, 2006 which led to the repeated SM after that.


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:bb: Carina & Coobah
Allira & Gizmo :grey:
:grey: Picasso, Trinity Joy & Luna
:rbridge: DaisyMae; Darwin; Mareki; Mambo; Pika; Cricky; Reggie & Bobo, Pepe & Bittah


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#469753 - 02/05/08 08:01 AM Re: For the Good of the Glider....Your Pics [Re: sugarglidersuz]
sugarglidersuz Offline
Glideritis Anonymous

Registered: 08/28/04
Posts: 14788
Loc: Cleveland, Ohio
Okay, going to boot up my laptop now...
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:bb: Carina & Coobah
Allira & Gizmo :grey:
:grey: Picasso, Trinity Joy & Luna
:rbridge: DaisyMae; Darwin; Mareki; Mambo; Pika; Cricky; Reggie & Bobo, Pepe & Bittah


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#469761 - 02/05/08 08:12 AM Re: For the Good of the Glider....Your Pics [Re: sugarglidersuz]
sugarglidersuz Offline
Glideritis Anonymous

Registered: 08/28/04
Posts: 14788
Loc: Cleveland, Ohio
Okay, these will not necessarily be in chronological order. I will simply post them as I find them on the laptop...
This first set is the chest wound that Mareki inflicted on herself in September, 2007.


Attachments
Mareki's Chest Wound 9'24'07 001 rdc.JPG (56 downloads)
Description: This is an overview of her entire chest area with the wound evident.

Mareki's Chest Wound 9'24'07 001 crop.JPG (47 downloads)
Description: And this shows the same wound closer up.


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:bb: Carina & Coobah
Allira & Gizmo :grey:
:grey: Picasso, Trinity Joy & Luna
:rbridge: DaisyMae; Darwin; Mareki; Mambo; Pika; Cricky; Reggie & Bobo, Pepe & Bittah


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#469767 - 02/05/08 08:19 AM Re: For the Good of the Glider....Your Pics [Re: sugarglidersuz]
sugarglidersuz Offline
Glideritis Anonymous

Registered: 08/28/04
Posts: 14788
Loc: Cleveland, Ohio
These are pictures of Mareki that show the dominance wound inflicted on her by Darwin (neutered male)when we attempted to introduce them to each other in June, 2007. This was inflicted on her after they had already been housed together for about 10 days.


Attachments
Mareki's Mating Wound 002 crp.JPG (53 downloads)
Description: On 6/25/07 I discovered this wound on Mareki's left shoulder...

Mareki's Mating Wound crp.JPG (37 downloads)
Description: This is another view of the same wound.

Mareki's Mating Wound zoom.JPG (33 downloads)
Description: This is a close up of the wound.

Mareki's Dominance Wound Healing 003 crop.JPG (39 downloads)
Description: This shows the same wound on 7/16/07 after it was beginning to heal.


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:bb: Carina & Coobah
Allira & Gizmo :grey:
:grey: Picasso, Trinity Joy & Luna
:rbridge: DaisyMae; Darwin; Mareki; Mambo; Pika; Cricky; Reggie & Bobo, Pepe & Bittah


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#469770 - 02/05/08 08:22 AM Re: For the Good of the Glider....Your Pics [Re: sugarglidersuz]
glidrz5 Offline
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Registered: 06/13/01
Posts: 7297
Loc: Quincy, IL
Jen, you wanted pictures of my Carina Trey's hand. It was pretty much healed when i got her (as you know) & it was hard to get a picture of her hand before the bones fell off because she was so skittish, but here's what I found.


Attachments
Carina in her castle.JPG (53 downloads)
Carina on the castle tower.JPG (43 downloads)
Carina Trey's foot 4-18-06.JPG (52 downloads)
Carina's hand before & after.JPG (47 downloads)
Carina's hand closeup.JPG (42 downloads)

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#469772 - 02/05/08 08:22 AM Re: For the Good of the Glider....Your Pics [Re: glidrz5]
glidrz5 Offline
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Registered: 06/13/01
Posts: 7297
Loc: Quincy, IL
And one more....


Attachments
front view Carina's hand.JPG (45 downloads)

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