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Please help... #1056689
01/17/11 08:16 PM
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Hello, I have two gliders. A male and a female around a year old. I did years of research. I guess when you do research no one tells you they might hate you!!! I just saw everyone all cuddly with them. But I guess I found out really quick I'm making NO progress. I've tried EVERYTHING. Plus they're bites are enough to make my hand swell up and draw lots of blood!! I just don't know what to do. It's come to a point where I'm even scared to feed them.. Everytime I put my hand in there to give them food the attack me!! I got them about 6 months ago from someone who could no longer care for them. I just don't get it. They're on a good diet and get everything they could possible want. If I take them out in a bonding pouch they come out of the pouch just to bite me, then run back in. If I put my hand in they're cage, they bite me. If I do anything they bite me!!! The vet checked them they're healthy as can be, so they're not in pain. I honestly am thinking about just putting an add up for them to go to someone that knows what theyre doing and can work with them so that they're happy. I mean I love them so much but I can't take it.. I don't know what else to do and I just want them happy. The male used to love me and do everything with me. But it seems like the female made him hate me because now he wants nothing to do with me. And nothing has changed!!! What should I do? Find them a good home with someone who knows what they're doing?! Oh I just don't know!!!

Re: Please help... [Re: Bellanbandit316] #1056737
01/17/11 09:52 PM
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I don't want to hinder anything but I do know what Elena told me...and you would benefit immensely from talking with her...but she told me when I was having problems with my male (daddy) that I should leave him alone for 2 days...don't do anything with him except to put their food in their cage. She told me to talk calmly to him when I came near his cage for anything but to just leave him alone...and then when the 2 days was up she told me to offer licky treats from the back of a spoon. Make it so you aren't in their personal space. Let them know that you love them but you're not going to do anything they aren't ready to let you do. Most importantly she said to not give mealies or yogies or any kind of treat where they have to use their teeth. Teach them to use their tongue when getting treats from you. And let them associate only good things from your hands. I know someone else will be along to help you further. I just hope this will shed a little light. Please don't get rid of them, I know the bites hurt and you shouldn't have to take a bite, I don't agree that anyone should. I just believe that if you follow Elena's plan you'll be on the right track to have loveable babies. Every suggie can be loved and love you in return smile G'luck.


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Re: Please help... [Re: Bellanbandit316] #1056745
01/17/11 10:10 PM
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I agree, it sounds like you need to consult with someone over the phone. Elena (hyphwn2003 is her screen name) is very good with bonding.

Also, click on the word bonding, it will take you to some links with things to read (if you haven't already).


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Re: Please help... [Re: Bellanbandit316] #1056758
01/17/11 10:33 PM
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Hang on Vona dear. It's NOT my plan but rather the teaching of a wise woman who knows how to listen to gliders. Thank you hun but I'm not the creater of the steps I teach others. I was one of the lucky few who she taught to do the same. Gilders have a voice and not just the crabbing one. But the one that speaks through their bodies. Are you listening? Stop, step back, and breathe. Time to rehome? Only if you don't have the patience that it requires to give them a "say". Vona is right my first advice when I start working with someone is back off. Give your glider space. The first two days that a gliders is in your home is very important. This is when they learn about who you are, where they are, and if they are safe here. But if we "King Kong" them during that time they learn to distrust us. In order to gain their trust we need to earn it on "their" time. And glider's don't wear watches. LOL Now I'd suggest that you start at day one. Leave you gliders alone. Feed them and talk softly to them. But do not attempt to take them from their cage. If they choose to interact with you them do so but back off when they do. bonding pouch? Set is aside for now. Rather spend that time watching your gliders. Learn who they are. When are they happy? When are they playing the imp? When are they hurt or scared? When are they planning to bite? How do you know that? Figure that one out and no need to take anymore bites. LOL How you ask? Watch their body laungage. Now listen to their sounds and add that to their body langauge. Gliders have so much to say. When we listen. So if you have the patience Bellanbandit316 call me. I love to help you hear your gliders. My number is in my signature.

Re: Please help... [Re: Bellanbandit316] #1056771
01/17/11 10:44 PM
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They are probably scared, and the more fear you show, the worse it gets. I think everyone in the situation needs a little break and time to calm down. Who knows how many homes they went through before they got to you....it gets difficult for a glider to cope after home after home after home....they may be pouch protective, or they may be severely traumatized, or they might just not trust your hand, to anything in between. If they are biters and have been through several homes, it is VERY likely that at some point, they were either squeezed or thrown. That only re-inforced that hands are scary and bad and will hurt, so it's not your fault that they are the way they are, but it does make it a hard road for you to go down. I know Elena has two medical needs gliders at the moment, and she is juggling a lot right now, so if she is not available you can also call me at 817-721-4781 and I will try to help. Elena and I had the same teacher but we talk in two different ways so what I miss or say one way, she'll say another and between the two of us we are either re-inforcing information or telling more of the bigger picture.

Re: Please help... [Re: hpyhwn2003] #1056927
01/18/11 09:14 AM
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Originally Posted By: hpyhwn2003
Hang on Vona dear. It's NOT my plan but rather the teaching of a wise woman who knows how to listen to gliders. Thank you hun but I'm not the creater of the steps I teach others.



I typed that wrong Elena...I meant your plan that you put me on...I know you're not the one who created the steps was only trying to point them in the right direction. But that's the plan I'm on right now for my Papa Sugz smile No disrespect to the wise Glider Whisperer that she is laugh


Mommy to 3 precious suggies



Glide free Ricochet,Little Abby and PapaSugz Mama and Angel and Sipsy cry

7 days without PRAYER makes one WEAK!!
Re: Please help... [Re: Bellanbandit316] #1056988
01/18/11 11:26 AM
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http://newagegliderssuggiew.forumsmotion.com/

This may be a good read for you BellanBandit316 as you seem to be very unsure or about to give up. Please don't give up on your babies as it seems that you love them very much. There are different ways to approach bonding with your sugar gliders. On that site/forum are different articles I wrote and how I have bonded to sugar gliders and moms, dads, and babies. For me it starts out the first day they come out of pouch.

I have a sugar glider named Majesty that I couldn't even stand or sit in front of her cage at night or talk without her getting extremely stressed(she did numerous back flips, she would have done circles but cage has a pointed roof). Our first contact was a bite to the end of my finger.
She was bonded by the parental article on bottom of site. Probably would not be one for you.

Penny was a sugar glider that crabbed like crazy but would not bite until she licked me once then like Majesty started biting and drew blood only once as I wouldn't let her do it to me again or tried not to get bit. Her story is the Box method.

There are other writings where I make reference to other ways and why I personally wouldn't do them right away but wait awhile, not to be malice just as an opinion through my experiences. Also is an article in GC articles on things that you try not to do to a sugar glider(crabbing sometimes can not be avoided and I try to CALM them down immeadiately)as it may slow down or work against you in trainig/bonding/taming a baby or adult sugar glider.
Hope there is something on the site that may help you get the type of pet you are looking for while being respectful toward your babies.
Art

Re: Please help... [Re: Bellanbandit316] #1057243
01/18/11 08:11 PM
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Re: Please help... [Re: Bellanbandit316] #1057250
01/18/11 08:27 PM
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Jessica- our phone and cable is out! I'm sorry!

Re: Please help... [Re: Bellanbandit316] #1057350
01/19/11 03:25 AM
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Bellanbandit316 I'm so glad you called Jessica. She won't stear you wrong. Just remember gliders need to do things on "their' time and not ours. So go slow and in time you'll enjoy all the great things about owning gliders. Oh and welcome to the world of glider ownership!

Re: Please help... [Re: Bellanbandit316] #1057438
01/19/11 10:44 AM
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It's Ok stuff happens! I want you to read that link that Elena posted. If you read it before, it doesn't hurt to read it again. I still re-read it time to time. It reminds me how small a glider is, and just how much they are trusting me. I love them so much, I forget that I really am big and scary, I just want them to love me back the way I love them and it doesn't just come overnight. I've rushed gliders, I've made mistakes, but the great thing is a glider is so forgiving they let you start over again the next day smile That story always reminds me.

Re: Please help... [Re: hpyhwn2003] #1061889
01/28/11 01:07 AM
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