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Is an unneutered colony possible? #1085627
03/16/11 02:35 PM
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I know that males are territorial but I also know that gliders are colony animals in the wild. So I am just wondering if it would be possible to have a colony of 4-6 gliders with an equal number of unneutered males and females if they were introduced at or around 12 weeks oop? Wouldn’t this lead to conditions that are more like they experience in the wild?

No hot heads please. This is just an idea I am rolling around. I currently have one pair of gliders and a trio of rescues. But in the future I know I want more and if I do decide to breed. I kind of wanted to know if this was an option.


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Re: Is an unneutered colony possible? [Re: ssuver] #1085631
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You have to remember that in the wild, they have much more space than we can ever provide them here in our homes. Their lifespans are also shorter, and fighting amongst each other might contribute to that.

Breeding--and it would be, of course, inevitable with an intact colony--would most likely be a disaster. You wouldn't know who was the father of who. Females might steal each other's joeys. Males would fight over the females in heat.

There is always the exception. I recall someone here posting about the breeder they got their joeys from having something like 12 gliders in a large aviary. It was 3 males/9 females, I believe (or close to that). And the breeder swore by this method, said she never lost a joey, said they all got along, etc. So who knows? dunno But I personally would not attempt this. I think there is only a one in a million chance of this working out well.

If you want to breed, multiple cages are basically a necessity.

Re: Is an unneutered colony possible? [Re: ssuver] #1085642
03/16/11 02:56 PM
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^That. Couldn't agree more. agree

Re: Is an unneutered colony possible? [Re: ssuver] #1085643
03/16/11 02:57 PM
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I would not recommend it in fact I would say with guarentee that it wouldn't work long term. The person Hannah mentioned says she never lost a joey but how does she know about joeys IP, PULLED joeys from stress or the other females /males..
Nope sorry.


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Re: Is an unneutered colony possible? [Re: ssuver] #1085651
03/16/11 03:07 PM
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I had not thought about the females stealing each others joey's. Like I said, this is not something I am doing, just something I was thinking about. It is a shame though. The idea of a colony is nice. And that way you could just have 1 giant cage instead of multiple large ones.


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Re: Is an unneutered colony possible? [Re: ssuver] #1085654
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You can have a colony. Just make sure the males are neutered.

Re: Is an unneutered colony possible? [Re: ssuver] #1085660
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I agree with Megs, you can have a colony but I wouldn't have it be a breeding colony just for the fact stated above and there could be more likely joey disappearances.

Another option is if you want to breed have a breeding pair or 2 in their own cages and do the colony thing with other gliders that are either female or neutered.


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Re: Is an unneutered colony possible? [Re: ssuver] #1085664
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That is an option I had not considered. Of course I had not thought about breeding until I got my set of 3. I found the mom in a pet store with baby's. Long story short I had to hand feed the joy's and now (This week!) they are eating on there own. I have found the whole experience so rewarding that I think sometime in the future. I might want to breed. Not on a big scale. Just 2-3 breeding pairs.

But I had considered neutering Max and putting the mama of my 2 rescue Joy's in with him and Britta. I don't want to breed her again as I don't know where she came from (she was a drop off at the pet store). So that option might be ideal. A small colony and a couple of breeding pairs.


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Re: Is an unneutered colony possible? [Re: ssuver] #1085702
03/16/11 05:26 PM
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I have three breeding females. One in a pair, two in a trio. THIS YEAR, (and it's just the middle of March!) I have had two joeys OOP, one joey due OOP in 1-2 weeks and two more joeys due in about 9 weeks. That's five joeys, SO FAR. With two-three breeding females, it's quite possible to have 12-18 joeys, IN ONE YEAR.

A lot of people, when they think about breeding, don't realize how many joeys can be born in captivity. They add up fast!

Add to that, the possibility of having six joeys at a time, one or even all six, being rejected and needing to be hand raised. That's a whole lotta work! LOL!

Plus, the extra vet bills can be staggering....mating wounds, pouch infections, neutering joeys, etc. By the time you pay for vet bills, food, toys, cages, wheels, pouches, etc., you sure aren't going to make money. Gliders, even colors, just don't sell for how much they used to. AND, there's the stress of finding GREAT homes for them, so you don't worry about them after they leave your home.

Just wanted to give you an example of what you could be in for, with that many breeding females. I have mosaics/mosaic ring tails, and so far, have a waiting list for them. Once that list is filled, I'm pretty sure I'm going to have the males neutered. Right now, my goal is to fulfill the dreams of a few friends, to have mosaics or mosaic ring tails.


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Re: Is an unneutered colony possible? [Re: ssuver] #1085770
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I don't know much about breeding, but I would think that having everyone in a large cage would lead to inbreeding too...if you have male joeys, when they reach sexual maturity, they will mate with their mother or any sisters born. If you have female joeys, daddy will mate with the girls, most likely at wayyy too young an age...either way, it is a recipe for genetic issues and therefore physical health issues down the road....


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Re: Is an unneutered colony possible? [Re: ssuver] #1085830
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I have pretty much ruled this out as an option. But I don't see what you mean angelic. If all four of the joey's that will later be mated come from different parents. And there Joey's are removed before sexual maturity. Than there should not be a problem.

However I could see this as being a problem for tracing lineage. As it might be difficult to know who has mated with whom. As ParietalOnCall brought to light. Which is one of the reasons I don't think that it would be wise.


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Re: Is an unneutered colony possible? [Re: ssuver] #1086270
03/17/11 08:36 PM
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OK, I wasn't sure if you'd leave the joeys in the cage or take them out before reaching sexual maturity...if you'd be taking them out, then nevermind, although you'd have to take any females out very early because males, namely the father, will breed with very young females...but since you ruled it out, no biggie! smile


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Re: Is an unneutered colony possible? [Re: Laurens_Babies] #1086548
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Originally Posted By: Laurens_Babies
I would not recommend it in fact I would say with guarentee that it wouldn't work long term. The person Hannah mentioned says she never lost a joey but how does she know about joeys IP, PULLED joeys from stress or the other females /males..
Nope sorry.


Good point! I was just taking her words at face value. But you're right, how would you even know?


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