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06/23/11 12:45 AM
06/23/11 12:45 AM

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SO ive been researching california laws and they are somewhat confusing, on one hand sugar gliders are on the restricted pets list, on the other hand they are leagally considered wild animals under california state law and are actually on the list of wild animals that you can have with a permit, i have been told the permit is hard to find but not impossible to get, was wondering what everyone else thought of this

here are the links to some of the pages ive been reading

http://www.leginfo.ca.gov/cgi-bin/displaycode?section=fgc&group=02001-03000&file=2116-2127

http://www.dfg.ca.gov/wildlife/nongame/nuis_exo/ferret/ferret_issues_table6.html

http://en.allexperts.com/q/Sugar-Gliders-3567/2008/7/permit-sugar-gliders.htm

FISH AND GAME CODE
SECTION 2116-2127





2116. As used in this chapter, "wild animal" means any animal of
the class Aves (birds), class Mammalia (mammals), class Amphibia
(frogs, toads, salamanders), class Osteichtyes (bony fishes), class
Monorhina (lampreys), class Reptilia (reptiles), class Crustacea
(crayfish), or class Gastropoda (slugs, snails) which is not normally
domesticated in this state as determined by the commission.



2116.5. The Legislature finds and declares that wild animals are
being captured for importation and resale in California; that some
populations of wild animals are being depleted; that many animals die
in captivity or transit; that some keepers of wild animals lack
sufficient knowledge or facilities for the proper care of wild
animals; that some wild animals are a threat to the native wildlife
or agricultural interests of this state; and that some wild animals
are a threat to public health and safety. It is the intention of the
Legislature that the importation, transportation, and possession of
wild animals shall be regulated to protect the health and welfare of
wild animals captured, imported, transported, or possessed, to reduce
the depletion of wildlife populations, to protect the native
wildlife and agricultural interest of this state against damage from
the existence at large of certain wild animals, and to protect the
public health and safety in this state.



2117. As used in this chapter, "enforcing officers" means the
department, the state plant quarantine officers, the local law
enforcement agents, the county sheriffs, and the county agricultural
commissioners. These enforcing officers are authorized and empowered
to enforce the provisions of this chapter or any regulation
implementing this chapter.



2118. It is unlawful to import, transport, possess, or release
alive into this state, except under a revocable, nontransferable
permit as provided in this chapter and the regulations pertaining
thereto, any wild animal of the following species:

(a) Class Aves: (birds)
Family Cuculidae (cuckoos)
All Species.
Family Alaudidae (larks)
Skylark, Alauda arvensis
Family Corvidae (crows, jays, magpies)
All species.
Family Turdidae (thrushes)
European blackbird, Turdus merula
Missel (or mistle), thrush, Turdus
viscivorus
Family Sturnidae (starlings and mynas or
mynahs)
All species of the family, except hill
myna (or
hill mynah),
Gracula religiosa (sometimes referred to
as
Eulabes religiosa)
Family Ploceidae (weavers)
The following species:
Spanish sparrow, Passer hispaniolensis
Italian sparrow, Passer italiae
European tree sparrow, Passer montanus
Cape sparrow, Passer capensis
Madagascar weaver, Foudia
madagascariensis
Baya weaver, Ploceus baya
Hawaiian rice bird, Munia nisoria
Red-billed quelea, Quelea quelea
Red-headed quelea, Quelea erythrops
Family Fringillidae (sparrows, finches,
buntings)
Yellowhammer, Emberiza citrinella
(b) Class Mammalia (mammals)
Order Primates
All species except those in family
Hominidae
Order Edentata (sloths, anteaters,
armadillos, etc.)
All species.
Order Marsupialia (marsupials or pouched
mammals)
All species.
Order Insectivora (shrews, moles,
hedgehogs, etc.)
All species.
Order Dermoptera (gliding lemurs)
All species.
Order Chiroptera (bats)
All species.
Order Monotremata (spiny anteaters,
platypuses)
All species.
Order Pholidota (pangolins, scaly
anteaters)
All species.
Order Lagomorpha (pikas, rabbits, hares)
All species, except domesticated races
of rabbits.
Order Rodentia (rodents)
All species, except domesticated golden
hamsters, also known as Syrian hamster,
Mesocricetus auratus; domesticated races
of
rats or mice (white or albino; trained,
dancing or spinning, laboratory-reared);
and domestic strains of guinea pig (Cavia
porcellus).
Order Carnivora (carnivores)
All species, except domestic dogs (Canis
familiaris) and domestic cats (Felis
catus).
Order Tubulidentata (aardvarks)
All species.
Order Proboscidea (elephants)
All species.
Order Hyracoidea (hyraxes)
All species.
Order Sirenia (dugongs, manatees)
All species.
Order Perissodactyla (horses, zebras,
tapirs,
rhinoceroses, etc.)
All species except those of the family
Equidae.
Order Artiodactyla (swine,
peccaries, camels,
deer, elk, except elk (genus Cervus)
which are
subject to Section 2118.2, moose,
antelopes,
cattle, goats, sheep, etc.)
All species except: domestic swine of
the family
Suidae; American bison, and domestic
cattle,
sheep and goats of the family Bovidae;
races
of big-horned sheep (Ovis canadensis) now
or formerly indigenous to this state.
Mammals of the orders Primates,
Edentata,
Dermoptera, Monotremata, Pholidota,
Tubulidentata,
Proboscidea, Perissodactyla, Hyracoidea, Sirenia
and
Carnivora are restricted for the welfare of the
animals,
except animals of the families Viverridae and
Mustelidae
in the order Carnivora are restricted because
such
animals are undesirable and a menace to native
wildlife,
the agricultural interests of the state, or to
the
public
health or safety.
(c) Class amphibia (frogs, toads,
salamanders)
Family Bufonidae (toads)
Giant toad or marine toad, Bufo marinus
(d) Class Monorhina (lampreys)
All species.
(e) Class Osteichthyes (bony fishes)
Family Serranidae (bass)
White perch, Morone or Roccus
americana
Family Clupeidae (herring)
Gizzard shad, Dorosoma cepedianum
Family Sciaenidae (croakers)
Freshwater sheepshead, Aplodinotus
grunniens
Family Characidae (characins)
Banded tetra, Astyanax fasciatus
All species of piranhas
Family Lepisosteidae (gars)
All species.
Family Amiidae (bowfins)
All species.
(f) Class Reptilia (snakes, lizards,
turtles, alligators)
Family Crocodilidae
All species.
(g) Class Crustacea (crustaceans)
Genus Cambarus (crayfishes)
All species.
Genus Astacus (crayfishes)
All species.
Genus Astacopsis (crayfishes)
All species.
(h) Class Gastropoda (slugs, snails, clams)
All species of slugs.
All species of land snails.
(i) Other classes, orders, families, genera, and
species
of wild animals which may be designated by the
commission in cooperation with the Department of
Food
and Agriculture, (1) when the class, order,
family,
genus,
or species is proven to be undesirable and a
menace to
native wildlife or the agricultural interests of
the state,
or
(2) to provide for the welfare of wild
animals.
(j) Except as expressly authorized in this code,
any
live
nonindigenous Atlantic salmon or the roe thereof
into
the
Smith River
watershed.
(k) Classes, families, genera, and species in
addition
to
those listed in this section may be added to or
deleted
from the above lists from time to time by
commission
regulations in cooperation with the Department
of
Food
and Agriculture.

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Re: Confusing California Laws [Re: ] #1134448
06/23/11 01:03 AM
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The issue here is gliders are not "wild" animals, they are "exotic" animals.

Wild animals are animals that are NATIVE to the country/continent.

Exotic animals are imported from other countries/continents.

So while there may be a permit (somewhere) for "wild" animals (including marsupials (opposums) there are not any for "exotic" animals (including marsupials such as sugar gliders or kangaroos).


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Re: Confusing California Laws [Re: Dancing] #1134453
06/23/11 01:18 AM
06/23/11 01:18 AM

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ill have to find the exact page and put it on here i thought i had it on my links, but there is a wild animal list for california and sugar gliders are on it, not just marcupials but specifically sugar gliders

Re: Confusing California Laws [Re: ] #1134457
06/23/11 01:25 AM
06/23/11 01:25 AM

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http://www.leginfo.ca.gov/.html/fgc_table_of_contents.html

FISH AND GAME CODE
SECTION 2116-2127





2116. As used in this chapter, "wild animal" means any animal of
the class Aves (birds), class Mammalia (mammals), class Amphibia
(frogs, toads, salamanders), class Osteichtyes (bony fishes), class
Monorhina (lampreys), class Reptilia (reptiles), class Crustacea
(crayfish), or class Gastropoda (slugs, snails) which is not normally
domesticated in this state as determined by the commission.

Re: Confusing California Laws [Re: ] #1134460
06/23/11 01:40 AM
06/23/11 01:40 AM

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thats not the same page i was looking at early but gonna have to wait for tomarrow, got to get to bed soon but still gonna find it

Re: Confusing California Laws [Re: ] #1157972
08/08/11 01:29 AM
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I'm hoping someone can update/clarify all this! We've been thinking of moving, and I'm terribly confused frown


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Re: Confusing California Laws [Re: ] #1157979
08/08/11 02:03 AM
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I have also been curious about this. I researched for a few hours and couldnt find a definate answer and decided I would just never move there. if it is actually possible than that would open up the state to alot of glider owners who would rather stay put then give up their suggies


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Re: Confusing California Laws [Re: ] #1157980
08/08/11 02:04 AM
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I have spoken personally with the california state veterinarian board. They do NOT allow sugar gliders. They did say something about extremely special circumstances, but they didn't give any information about it, and each circumstance I presented was refused. They wouldn't even allow me to have them for 1 week (I had plans for a layover there). They are very harsh with consequences, usually euthanasia, so its NOT worth bringing them there.

I was also surprised to learn that gliders are banned for their OWN good. There are 2 different clasifications for banned animals, one is a threat to the native animals, and one is for their welfare. Sugar gliders are banned for their own welfare.


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Re: Confusing California Laws [Re: ] #1158322
08/08/11 10:51 PM
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I myself, have corresponded with a game officer in LA when I lived in AZ. He had gliders he had picked up and was wondering if I could help get them out.

I did give him the name of a rescue in CA that works with him now, but what he told me was this.

Gliders are illegal in the state. If they take them in, they are supposed bring them to be put down. If they wish to get them out, it's on their time, not the states. Most of his co-workers weren't willing to give up their time to go to Nevada to a glider rescue, so only a handful of the gliders confiscated are actually removed and put into safe homes.

Hope that helps.


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Re: Confusing California Laws [Re: ] #1158367
08/09/11 12:48 AM
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they are definitely illegal in California, as much as any of us would like to say otherwise, it just won't happen and there truly aren't any loop holes either. its in the best interest to keep gliders out of cali for their sake. Their safety is #1 and i hope u would agree. I know the laws are confusing but we all know they are illegal there and no matter what things you pull up, unfortunately they will still be illegal. I'm glad you decided against moving there. It will be so much better to have your suggies in a safe state where they will be accepted and loved by you. smile



Re: Confusing California Laws [Re: ] #1158372
08/09/11 12:58 AM
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My husband and daughter are going to be in California in a few days, They can bring gliders out of California if anyone needs help with this. Send me a PM if anyone needs help with this.

Re: Confusing California Laws [Re: ] #1158530
08/09/11 12:35 PM
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This is so saddening! ;_; my boyfriend is in the movie industry -- and was thinking about moving there for more work -- I'll have to suggest not going there now.

Thankyou everyone for the information -- frown The laws are very harsh.

Are they like that for visits too???

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Re: Confusing California Laws [Re: AliceDoll] #1159335
08/10/11 11:23 PM
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Originally Posted By: AliceDoll


Are they like that for visits too???


Yep, unfortunately, they are. You do NOT want to be caught in CA with gliders..they will probably have you leave the state but it's their prerogative to confiscate the gliders.

Re: Confusing California Laws [Re: ] #1159342
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It sounds like getting ahold of the permit to have them there is akin to gaining a concealed weapons permit in Cali...not gonna happen. It's unfortunate for the people that live there. The only answer is to get the legislature changed. I was planning a move to Alaska, but found out they are illegal in that state. I am in the process of trying to sway the state in their next session to bring to session new legislature allowing Gliders in that state. The next session in AK is in January. The unfortunate thing about this state is...no one is in a hurry to change anything. Even though a loose glider in AK wouldn't last a day. Even in the summer time the nights are just too cold up there except for RARE occasions.

If you are up to the challenge I suggest writing the Fish and wildlife commision in Cali and talk to them about the steps to take to try to change the laws through the system.

If you do try...good luck...and wish me luck in my venture to get them legalized in Alaska!!!

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Re: Confusing California Laws [Re: GlidersNW] #1161242
08/15/11 03:37 AM
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Originally Posted By: GlidersNW
It sounds like getting ahold of the permit to have them there is akin to gaining a concealed weapons permit in Cali...not gonna happen. It's unfortunate for the people that live there. The only answer is to get the legislature changed. I was planning a move to Alaska, but found out they are illegal in that state. I am in the process of trying to sway the state in their next session to bring to session new legislature allowing Gliders in that state. The next session in AK is in January. The unfortunate thing about this state is...no one is in a hurry to change anything. Even though a loose glider in AK wouldn't last a day. Even in the summer time the nights are just too cold up there except for RARE occasions.

If you are up to the challenge I suggest writing the Fish and wildlife commision in Cali and talk to them about the steps to take to try to change the laws through the system.

If you do try...good luck...and wish me luck in my venture to get them legalized in Alaska!!!

Matt


not sure if that is a good comparision (I'm pretty sure I know someone with a permit for concealed weapon in cali) but agree legistation needs to be agrued. if average people dont argue this descision there is not reason to change it.


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