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Re: popping joeys-new breeders please read [Re: hwh4ev] #1116119
05/19/11 08:27 AM
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I would never do this to my momma, daddy, or the baby sugar glider. It is very dangerous to the IP joey and stressful to the mom.
Althought I would never "POP" a joey out to look at sex or color. I have seen some "under cooked" joeys hanging out of moms pouch as she was cleaning them, but she knows how to move them around. I have also had hairless joeys that were left in box by both parents and I call them pinkies. They were raised fine by the parents without any problem. I was told by another breeder that this was an unusual occurance, maybe because my gliders at that time, the suggies were having 4-6 sets or litters of babies. So maybe mom dropped early to make more room. Miss butters even had one of her two babies that had no gray color on it's back but had it hanging out for cleaning. There wasn't any fur on it either, it looked like a leu baby when they come out all pink in color. I have a few pics that I have on our table to show the differences of how joeys can look when out of pouch for new owners or breeders so they don't sell at the eight week mark from anything that is detached. Maybe Peggy's new diet will have more joeys and might see more of early detached joeys, and in my opinion need to inform the new breeders how to start or reconize fully cooked joeys.
Also maybe we should add a warning on our websites about rubbing moms belly, or "popping joeys" for a look, or pulling open moms pouch to peek in. It's a sad day for joeys when breeders do this to their moms and baby sugar gliders.

Here are some pics of moms hanging their joeys out.

The stain on my finger is cricket guts. lol





Art

Re: popping joeys-new breeders please read [Re: hwh4ev] #1116137
05/19/11 09:18 AM
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omg..ppl really do this? how cruel...omg...


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Re: popping joeys-new breeders please read [Re: hwh4ev] #1116140
05/19/11 09:24 AM
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Yes, It is said to hear that someone/more than one person is doing this. There are so many risks.

The only time I can tell what sex a joey will be is if they are hanging oop like Art's photos above. And when they are close to being oop, is the only time my trio lets them show!

It is very sad, for everyone.

Patience is a virtue.

Re: popping joeys-new breeders please read [Re: hwh4ev] #1116153
05/19/11 10:17 AM
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Wow Art, those are some pretty fantastic pictures!

As for the topic of "Popping" I think it's disgusting. Why would you even think about doing it in the first place? The joey will come out when it/the mom is ready. Waiting list is way better than taking a deposit so soon. I wouldn't even put a deposit on a Joey that young. I'd be too afraid something would happen before it even got a chance to be OOP.

Re: popping joeys-new breeders please read [Re: hwh4ev] #1116164
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I'm definitely anxious to see what is going to come out of my moms but popping a joey out just to get a quick peek just isn't worth the risk.

My moms get to let me know when I can look. When joeys are hanging out I will sometimes hold mom and look around in hopes I'll see the sex. Obviously at that point the color can be seen too.

I have some newer moms who have tiny little joeys with virtually no hair hanging out. I don't even touch those babies until they grow a bit more. Just not worth potentially losing those precious little ones!


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Re: popping joeys-new breeders please read [Re: hwh4ev] #1116191
05/19/11 11:55 AM
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I must live under a rock or not be buds with these breeders using this practice. Either way, I like the anticipation of it all, the mammas know better than I how to take care of their joeys, so I would never rock that boat!!!


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Re: popping joeys-new breeders please read [Re: hwh4ev] #1116376
05/19/11 08:29 PM
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LOL Stef i thought i was going to have to fly down there to feel her myself!!

Re: popping joeys-new breeders please read [Re: hwh4ev] #1116394
05/19/11 09:34 PM
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Verbena just a few days ago laying on her back "showing off" her joeys to me. Her grandmother Brianna has done the same thing many times. It's ok if they want to show you, but please, don't pop the joeys yourself.






Last edited by Marsupial_Mayhem; 05/19/11 09:35 PM.

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Re: popping joeys-new breeders please read [Re: hwh4ev] #1116408
05/19/11 09:51 PM
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LOL Melissa...I know I know...I was so nervous I didnt want Lethe to pick up on THAT particular vibe.

And altho I'm a little more "seasoned" than I was when I discovered Lethe with a joey IP....you can bet next time, I'll be just as worried, anxious and nervous all at the same time...but PATIENT as well...I'll know the sex and markings of her future joeys in due time.

I really really hope this impatient behavior stops and please remember, like Cora said up there...mommy's know best and let THEM do their motherly duties!!!

Re: popping joeys-new breeders please read [Re: hwh4ev] #1116416
05/19/11 10:05 PM
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buttercup, "... motherly duties" that is cute. i like that and it so true.

regards,
nancy in detroit


regards,
nancy in roseville (formerly in detroit)
Re: popping joeys-new breeders please read [Re: hwh4ev] #1116510
05/19/11 11:35 PM
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My first set of joeys just came oop last week.Now, obviously because this was my first litter I did ALOT of research and still doing research lol and almost all of the sites I had looked at always stated that you had to be careful with the mother because you could cause the joeys to detach. I just can't even begin to understand why someone would ever take the risk of popping a joey out just to see the sex when eventually they will find out soon anyway.Honestly, the genders of my babies didn't even cross my mind. I was to excited that I just had babies! I didn't care what they were.I don't know I just don't agree with this method at all. Thanks Nancy for posting and showing everyone how dangerous this could be to joeys.

Re: popping joeys-new breeders please read [Re: hwh4ev] #1116546
05/20/11 12:03 AM
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Reason they take the chance: "won't happen to me syndrome"

I will use drunk drivers as an example:
1-NO WAY, even one sip means NO driving
2-Only had a couple, I'm fine to drive
3-I'm just a little buzzed, I can drive fine buzzed
4-I actually drive better drunk

They think it will never happen to them because they know what they're doing and how to do it


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Re: popping joeys-new breeders please read [Re: hwh4ev] #1129447
06/13/11 03:17 PM
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bumping this for new breeders.

we should have a sticky on this subject.

thank you,
nancy in detroit


regards,
nancy in roseville (formerly in detroit)
Re: popping joeys-new breeders please read [Re: hwh4ev] #1129506
06/13/11 04:51 PM
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shakehead Never did I even think of disturbing a mama this way. Gosh let her tell you when you can see the joeys. My mamas like others shown have let me peek when they were ready. Never did I try to move their pouch or the joeys just so I could see what they were. As stated already wait a couple of weeks then it's safe for both mom and joey to find out what it is.

Re: popping joeys-new breeders please read [Re: hwh4ev] #1129510
06/13/11 04:57 PM
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Personally I like being surprised! I would never disturb a baby just to see what color/sex it is.


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and slave to my 8 gliders

Skeeter, Luna, Rocky, Patches, Sweetie, Big Sissy, Little Buddha, and Nikko
Re: popping joeys-new breeders please read [Re: hwh4ev] #1129592
06/13/11 07:51 PM
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When my baby griz was 1st showing out of pouch he was almost hairless. He stayed attached to mom's nipple for a full week before detaching and letting me see what he was. I swear it was the hardest wait I have ever had...lol. I was dying to know boy or girl but would have never ever taken a chance of delodging him from his nipple to find out sooner than i had a right to know. Now mommy is again expecting but twins this time. I am sooo excited but will avoid even touching her belly much because I don't want anything to happen to my little babies.


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Re: popping joeys-new breeders please read [Re: hwh4ev] #1129621
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I am a nurse, and I would read about females getting infections in their pouche. To me, it tells me that something may of been introduced to or near the pouche that did not belong( possibly someones fingers? ) I can wait to see what comes out of the pouch, that is part of the excitement for me. I LET NATURE takes its course and just wait.


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Re: popping joeys-new breeders please read [Re: hwh4ev] #1136245
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I'd never do this...I've heard of people doing it. A good friend of mine knows someone that did this and lost joeys from it. It's a horrid thing to do. I won't even handle my joeys till I know they have been completely oop for about 2 days. then Istart to handle them. I'm new to the breeding thing...but I did EXTENSIVE research before deciding to do this. I read the joey information on suz site over and over before commiting to this venture. Now that I have had a couple litters of Joeys. I am very glad I did and did the research to support it first.


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Re: popping joeys-new breeders please read [Re: hwh4ev] #1136247
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I'd never do this...I've heard of people doing it. A good friend of mine knows someone that did this and lost joeys from it. It's a horrid thing to do. I won't even handle my joeys till I know they have been completely oop for about 2 days. then Istart to handle them. I'm new to the breeding thing...but I did EXTENSIVE research before deciding to do this. I read the joey information on suz site over and over before commiting to this venture. Now that I have had a couple litters of Joeys. I am very glad I did and did the research to support it first.


Matt Compton
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Re: popping joeys-new breeders please read [Re: hwh4ev] #1136553
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The thought of "popping" a joey out makes me cringe! I couldn't imagine doing something like that. Even when I first started breeding, I never even considering doing something like that. This is definitely something ALL new breeders should take a look at.


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Re: popping joeys-new breeders please read [Re: hwh4ev] #1137066
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Glad to see this thread going here. The only motivation for popping joeys early is greed/money. It is sad to see where some breeders have gone with this. If you want to take a chance with own gliders shame on you. To tell someone else how to do this and have something go wrong...know you share half of the blame. If someone tells you how to do this, think about the chance you are taking! For those misinformed enough to actually try and do this, the consequences can be fatal. If you care about your gliders, you will wait.

Most of my parents "un-pack" their joeys to clean them and air them out towards the end anyway. Sometimes I am lucky enough to get a peek. If not....I wait. I would never mess with under-cooked joeys or do anything to stress my moms out. So sad! Go Nancy!

Re: popping joeys-new breeders please read [Re: hwh4ev] #1137097
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Gosh, when Delilah had Cici IP, I didn't even touch the baby until she detached. I was too paranoid I would cause her to be rejected, or detach, or who knows what! I couldn't even imagine someone popping babies.


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