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Re: How to differentiate Australian/Indonesian glider?
[Re: kapan]
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05/31/11 05:59 PM
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So there are a total of 5 subspecies between the Australian and PNG/Indon gliders? So are they all mixed up in the US? Does anyone here know what subspecies of glider they own aside from Marz? I think there are actually 7 subspecies. Yes, they are all mixed up over here in the U.S. Well, maybe I shouldn't say that. Several subspecies are mixed together here. We are hoping to find out more regarding which subspecies are dominant here through the study that is currently being conducted regarding sugar glider DNA. The caramel gliders are the b.flavidus subspecies. They are fairly new here in the states so we shouldn't see much of their DNA floating around just yet. Other subspecies, have been bred together and that is why some gliders are larger, some smaller, short snouts, longer snouts, etc.
Last edited by tjlong; 05/31/11 06:00 PM.
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Re: How to differentiate Australian/Indonesian glider?
[Re: tjlong]
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05/31/11 06:31 PM
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Marz
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So there are a total of 5 subspecies between the Australian and PNG/Indon gliders? So are they all mixed up in the US? Does anyone here know what subspecies of glider they own aside from Marz? I think there are actually 7 subspecies. Yes, they are all mixed up over here in the U.S. Well, maybe I shouldn't say that. Several subspecies are mixed together here. We are hoping to find out more regarding which subspecies are dominant here through the study that is currently being conducted regarding sugar glider DNA. The caramel gliders are the b.flavidus subspecies. They are fairly new here in the states so we shouldn't see much of their DNA floating around just yet. Other subspecies, have been bred together and that is why some gliders are larger, some smaller, short snouts, longer snouts, etc. The amount of subspecies gets a little murky because of the PNG/Indo ones... some of named subspecies are actually synonyms for other subspecies so it really does get confusing. The biacensis mentioned on some sites as a subspecies is not a subspecies at all. If you saw images of it, you would see why. The P.b. flavidus is actually the main PNG subspecies accodingly to researchers. My friend breeds these in Indonesia and his gliders come from all over there including the Moluccas. He has flavidus subspecies in a range of colours from standard grey to an amazing golden lion colour (unlike the caramel). As there are species restricted to islands/areas, they do tend to breed in colonies type which include size and colouring... hence the "caramels" that are now being talked about which came from a particular area. Here in Victoria, there is an area near the coast that has amazing chocolate coloured sugar gliders in the wild.
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Re: How to differentiate Australian/Indonesian glider?
[Re: kapan]
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06/01/11 03:27 AM
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I'm assuming they all look about the same then?
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Re: How to differentiate Australian/Indonesian glider?
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06/01/11 05:59 AM
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I'm assuming they all look about the same then? Not really. Unlike captive bred gliders who get sold and shuffled around, wild gliders stick to a region/forest/habitat. This can influence the breeding, the physical traits, the size etc. A good example is size as Bergmann's rule really seems to apply here in Australia with gliders larger in the cold areas and smaller in the hotter areas as a general rule. This is not particular to gliders either. Take for another example the koala...all koalas are the same right? Nope. The Queensland koala is tiny compared to the Victoria Koala and even their looks and colours vary depending on what region they are from. All very interesting and all can be very confusing.
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Re: How to differentiate Australian/Indonesian glider?
[Re: kapan]
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06/01/11 07:13 AM
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Definitely both. I wish I could find [more] info. I'd love to learn more.
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Re: How to differentiate Australian/Indonesian glider?
[Re: kapan]
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06/01/11 10:46 AM
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The Feathertail Glider is Precious! Never seen anything like it before.
Looked up some info on them - They're so tiny and it seems they have a very high metabolism that makes them high maintenance. Makes me wonder - Are these domesticated like our gliders?
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Re: How to differentiate Australian/Indonesian glider?
[Re: kapan]
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06/01/11 11:21 AM
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I love marz's glider pic. That is soooo cute. His great big ears are adorable. I had never seen pics of the various kinds of gliders. I just assumed they were all like ours just in different colors. The really tiny one looks a little too mouse like for me though!!!!
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Re: How to differentiate Australian/Indonesian glider?
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06/04/11 02:10 AM
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The Feathertail Glider is Precious! Never seen anything like it before.
Looked up some info on them - They're so tiny and it seems they have a very high metabolism that makes them high maintenance. Makes me wonder - Are these domesticated like our gliders? I prefer the term captive bred to domesticated but that might just be me with the wildlife rescuer side of me showing The feathertail gliders are precious . As for being in captivity, you will find them in some zoos around the world. Until recently, here in Victoria, you would only captive bred ones in zoos/sanctuaries/wildlife parks too. However, last year, they added feathertail and squirrel gliders to the wildlife licence in Victoria so if someone has a wildlife licence (which you need to have gliders here) then you can keep these animals too. At this stage, I do not have any plans on keeping any. After spending sometime behind the scenes at the nocturnal house at Healesville Sanctuary, I realised that for something so tiny, they require a lot of special care and they are fairly shy...you wouldn't be handling these little guys much at all as they are highly stressful. You are right about the high metabolism. The keeper explained that going 24 hours without food can potentially be enough to kill these lttle animals. There is a strict diet regimen to be followed.
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Re: How to differentiate Australian/Indonesian glider?
[Re: kapan]
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06/23/11 09:53 PM
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Tigers and lions can produce viable young, it's just that they would not do so in the wild because their territories do not cross. With sugar gliders, we are talking subspecies, not distinct species. As a quick note - lets pull this back to sugar glider subspecies rather than general gliding possums, please. 3. Please keep the posts closely related to the topic. If the topic sparks another thought for discussion, please open a new thread.
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Re: How to differentiate Australian/Indonesian glider?
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06/28/11 01:34 PM
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Re: How to differentiate Australian/Indonesian glider?
[Re: kapan]
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07/04/11 09:55 PM
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sorry its been a while im not logged in..busy with my works okay thanks everybody for sharing those great ideas regarding general gliding possums, there's a few to be mentioned. its quiet difficult to differentiate from which subspecies is your glider are (from the naked eye) without pictures right? physically.. so im pasting mine..which i believe is Indonesian breed..its quiet rare to find any Australian breed right here in malaysia..i got no clues to differentiate! ;p my glider - lillipilly, courtesy of Marz pic as far as this thread goes, i've made my assumption..Australian breed are much more heavier n bigger in size, have a darker gray color, have a round face and eyes are slightly smaller than indonesia breed.. correct me if im wrong
Last edited by kapan; 07/04/11 10:03 PM. Reason: changed to close up pic
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