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what is this?!?! #1212261
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Is this what I think it is coming out of her cloaca?



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Re: what is this?!?! [Re: manje] #1212264
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here's another shot of her pouch so you can see she definitely has girl parts too. (ignore her poop)


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From your first picture, I was going to say it's a penis. Then you show the 2nd pic with the pouch and the red thing. Could she be a hermaphrodite? dunno


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Re: what is this?!?! [Re: manje] #1212270
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Oh WOW can it be true. I guess it could be that def looks like a penis and a pouch. How old is she?


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That was my thought. Just want to make sure it is indeed a penis and she doesn't have worms.

You can get a better view at the links here:
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https://picasaweb.google.com/101797608762658821204/InstantUpload#5693988223358112178


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The only thing is that I don't see the bifurcation at the end dunno And, as a side note, unless it's the color of my laptop, does her pouch look a little funky to anyone else?

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I didn't see the bifurcated part either, but thought maybe it all wasn't sticking out.

The pouch looks brown to me.


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I don't think the penis is out enough to show the fork, Aimee? Maybe if it were out farther. Definitely lookin' like. Penis to me.

How old is the glider?

The pouch looks odd to me too. Does she have teats in the pouch? If not, it could be his pom is still kind of inverted. Sometimes it doesn't completely pop out. I would be seeing my vet to find out what he or she thinks. If this glider is, in fact a boy not a hermaphrodite you could wind up with his cagemates prego.


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Re: what is this?!?! [Re: manje] #1212285
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What is a bifurcation?
The hair right around and inside the pouch is yellowish. It's always been that way as far as I know.


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Re: what is this?!?! [Re: manje] #1212289
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Would the pom be that far up? My only other glider, is a boy, and his pom was down by his cloaca. He was neutered about a month ago.

She was checked by the vet and he didn't have any questions about whether she was a girl. I also rescued her from an experienced glider rescue home and they had no doubts of her gender either.


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Re: what is this?!?! [Re: manje] #1212290
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This is absolutely intriguing. At first, it did look like a penis to me. Perhaps it isn't out enough to see the bifurcation like Tracy said. BUT that's definitely a pouch...hmm. I have no idea but I can't wait to find out.


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Re: what is this?!?! [Re: manje] #1212295
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That's entirely possible, Tracy, it didn't even cross my mind.

Mandi...don't count on SEAVS having a lot of knowledge about hermaphrodites, it looks like a pouch so they'd think it was a pouch, especially if there was no penis showing at the time. That's not to say they don't know anything or can't learn, but I wouldn't take their word for it at this point. I'd have it checked out.

The pouch looks to be a strange color to me..and a little odd. No discharge? No smell? It's normal for there to be some discoloration on the fur around the pouch, but what's showing in the picture looks to me like part of the inside of the pouch, not the fur.

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No discharge or funk. I took a close look, it's just the fur. I tried to get a closer shot using the micro setting on my camera but she was too squirmy. I'll try again tomorrow, she's pretty irritated with me right now. I think I may have made her self-conscious. ;P

I'm reluctant to take her in to the vet because if they don't know have experience with hermaphrodites and her penis isn't out when we go in then I'll end up having to pay for a pointless visit, and SEAVS is not cheap. The vet I took her to originally, that looked at her and said "yep that's a girl" has been a glider owner in the past, so he knew enough to know she had lady parts, but I doubt he'd know much about hermaphrodites either.


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Re: what is this?!?! [Re: manje] #1212302
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There are other ways for them to find a penis - it doesn't have to just be out when you go there. The visit wouldn't be pointless. smile

Re: what is this?!?! [Re: manje] #1212303
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I know I'm not adding much to the post but is her being a hermaphrodite an actual possibility? I realize it happens in humans but I've never even considered it a glider thing as well. I'm assuming she would just have a penis and no pom, correct?


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Re: what is this?!?! [Re: manje] #1212305
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I thought I read a thread on the GC a while back about hermaphrodites. Someone was looking for information about verified cases. From what I could gather it is not common, but not unheard of.

I'll have my husband call SEAVS tomorrow and make an appointment. Now I'm really curious.


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Re: what is this?!?! [Re: manje] #1212309
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It is possible. I would ask the vet to check really well inside that pouch and make sure 1. There's no infection and 2. There are actually teats I. The pouch.
I would ask the vet to check for a penis and also palpate the tummy and check for a scrotum that is not out. The vet visit will definitely be worth while. I can understand a vet just taking for granted this is a girl with what appears to be a pouch. Whenever I see a vet with a female I always watch to see they thoroughly inspect the pouch. A young female's teTs and inside of pouch will still be quite furry. As they mature the look changes considerably. I am anxious to hear what they find.


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Re: what is this?!?! [Re: manje] #1212312
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Blow up that picture. The bifurcation is there, the tips are just stuck together. (thanks, Val).

Re: what is this?!?! [Re: manje] #1212325
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Dancing had a hermaphrodite. That there penis is most certainly biforcated, that pouch may also be somewhat of a scent gland but who knows!


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I mean its a pouch and scent gland possibly


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Looks to me like one of them there he/she's!

Re: what is this?!?! [Re: manje] #1212499
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Yes, I did have a hermaphrodite glider and SHE even had a joey. We didn't discover the penis until a few months after the joey. Spryte broke her leg when the joey was ip and the joey lived long enough to come oop but did not survive. We (the vet and I) thought at the time it was the anesthesia and the meds that effected the joey so didn't have a necropsy done on the joey. It was clearly a case of "failure to thrive" for the joey. Months later we discovered Spryte's penis and then had to second guess about the joey. There is every possibility that the joey had severe genetic defects. Spryte didn't live much longer either. She got sick and was on meds but didn't make it. Time, circumstances and finances prevented a necropsy with her.

Karin also had/has a hermaphrodite glider, Deuce I think it was.

It is rare but it can/does happen. They should not be bred as there can be other genetic problems. They are usually sterile anyway, Spryte was the exception, according to the vet.

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It is possible that the scrotum is inverted. My Odo, I thought was a female when he came out of pouch.

At 6 months I saw a penis, a month or so later the scrotum showed up but was empty.

He is a cryptorchid and we will not be neutering him.


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Originally Posted By: Dancing
Karin also had/has a hermaphrodite glider, Deuce I think it was.


Here is a link to the post about Karin's Glider, Deuce. I had read the post a few months back about him. It's really fascinating, I had no idea this happened with Gliders...http://www.glidercentral.net/ubbthreads/ubbthreads.php/topics/748355/Deuce_a_special_boy_hermaphrod


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I would take the pictures to the vet with me just in case "she" doesn't want to show anything. Kinda like taking your car to the mechanic and it doesn't make the sound that has been driving you crazy for weeks.


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Well since she's a rescue I don't have much background info on her, and the best guess at her age is about 2 years old. I've had her for 6 months and the rescue home had her for a minimum of 8 months. She was also with her mate Jack for a year before he was neutered and they never had babies so my guess is that she is infertile.

That most definitely is a pouch. I don't know what to look for in regards to teats, but I have held her and stretched her out and looked closely and it in no way resembles a scent gland. Plus, she doesn't act like near as much a boy as Jack does. With the exception of the penis, she's all girl....Hmmm, that statement kind of made me a chuckle a little bit. :lol:


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My Spryte was very much a "girl", she just had extra parts.

Taking the photos with you is a good idea. You can also take my photo with you to show them it does happen in case they have doubts. Spryte was verified by two different vets that she had a penis.


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Pracilla Price also had a hermaphrodite that had several liters. Her condition was not discovered until she was retired & being rehomed & someone saw the penis.

Since maile gliders have a scent gland on their chest, the yellowing inside her pouch could be a misplaced scent gland inside the pouch. Usually no staining occurs inside the pouch unless there are joeys in there or there is some type of infection. And if she's all good & well inside the pouch then I would suppose it couldn't be entirely impossible for there to be a scent gland in there. dunno

As long as she's happy & healthy & has no issues with testicles that have not been able to drop, she should live a long healthy life ~ generally speaking.

She looks pretty! I'd love to see 'other' views of her grin


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So do normal females who have not had litters have different colored fur there? Her fur there (which is really inside the pouch - I had her stretched out when I snapped the picture) is yellowish but she's a basic gray.

Here's a better picture of her sweet face.



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Females DO have scent glands inside their pouches (or at least that is what I was told). It helps to make their joeys smell like THEIR joeys. It isn't as "productive" or active as a male's chest or head gland.


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