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sick?? #129335
08/07/06 04:29 PM
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If a glider is still playful and eats healthy, but his furr on his tail looks thin and clumped together and his belly furr is yellow is he sick??? HELP <img src="/ubbthreads/images/graemlins/nixweiss.gif" alt="" />

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Re: sick?? [Re: ] #129336
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i would be conerned of a diarrhea problem, check his poops in his cage. are they unformed? squishier than normal. smell much worse than normal? also, check pee spots. a uti can cause thicker pussy pee that will make the fur kind of greasy and clumpy. i would suggest a vet visit either way, better safe than sorry!

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Re: sick?? [Re: ] #129337
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Is it like that all the time? My girls have some scent staining on their bellies so they are a little yellow instead of white, and sometimes Zoe likes to play with her BML a little too much and falls asleep before taking a bath. She usually cleans herself up before dinner though...

Re: sick?? [Re: ] #129338
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yes its always like that and i dont no of a vet that knows anything around me

Re: sick?? [Re: ] #129339
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I am writing this post for Stitch/Mama. She does not have a computer but can use her Moms. She needs to find out about a vet in the Portland area. She is in Beaberton OR. If you can help please please email her Mom at []Ranger4Lord@aol[/],com.

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Re: sick?? [Re: ] #129340
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I'm searching for some via google.com and I'll try and make some phone calls.

Is the vet database down? I thought there was a vet listed in that area.

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Yes the data base is down right now. Any help would be great.


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Re: sick?? [Re: ] #129342
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http://www.isga.org/informationcenter/Vet/vet.htm

This link had a listing in Beaverton:

Dr Mark Burges
6139 SW Murray Blvd
Beaverton, Oregon
Phone: (503) 643-2137

I haven't called since I am currently at work - StitchsMom, are you able to call?

Re: sick?? [Re: ] #129343
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She said yes she can call. can you give the number here as she has no computer. She is so excited. Thanks

Or you can PM your number.

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Re: sick?? [Re: ] #129344
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Tel: (503) 643-2137

Hours: Mon - Wed 8:00AM - 6:00PM

There you go! Let me know how it goes, I'm looking for a good vet too!

Re: sick?? [Re: ] #129345
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She is calling now. I had her wipe off hid tail with a damp white wash cloth and she said when she did it had some brown color to the rag and the same with the tummy. Also she feeds BML Could partents be overgrooming? He eats carots alot as that is what the baby wants to eat and strawberry's. The poop isn't runny but soft when you pick it up.

Her main worry is about the tail and it looks matted and not fluffy and you can almost see the skin.

Her Mom's email address is posted above and if you can help that would be great. She has called the vet and yes they do see suggies. She is waiting for a call back

And askes that I thank you.

I will try and keep up with this so if anyone has anything to say I can let her know. It has to be hard not having a computer and especially at a time like this.

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Re: sick?? [Re: ] #129346
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I would be having a panic attack in her situation without a computer!

I am off to my 2nd job and wont have access to the net - I'll get in touch asap to see how things are going. Hopefully someone more knowledgeable in glider health will be along to help with the tail concerns?

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I've sent an email to the AOL address that was listed above - just checking up to see if everything is OK!

Re: sick?? [Re: ] #129348
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She was susposed to take the glider in today but I haven't heard from her.


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Re: sick?? [Re: ] #129349
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Hi everyone, this is Jenny's mom. I talked with her last night and she was making plans to take the little guy into the vet today. This is Stitch's and Honey's first baby. They did have one last year but they canabilised it. They were very protective of this one and wouldn't even let me see him when I went for a visit in June. I will post for Jenny as soon as I hear the results! Thanks for all your encouraging phone calls to her! <img src="/ubbthreads/images/graemlins/thumb.gif" alt="" />

Re: sick?? [Re: ] #129350
08/08/06 04:32 PM
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Miss Ellen-that is similar to the symptoms Chris' (glidrz5) gliders had at the SGGA-if you can, get her in touch with Chis. Several antibiotics did not work-for the little girl it was a few rounds of treatment over quite a period of time with no results, but they're finally getting better. I believe she had a pouch culture come back w/gram negative bacteria finally, and switched to Clavamox from Baytril with results within a day and steady improvement since. Although there were some suspicions about what was causing the brown staining/wet look-there was no diagnosis made by the emergency vet in Ohio, or her own, but the antibiotic IS clearing the problem. Might be worth them talking to each other.


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Re: sick?? [Re: ] #129351
08/08/06 04:38 PM
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I just spoke with her and she can't get into the Glider vet untill Thursday. After she wipped his tail off with a damp cloth she today it's more fluffy.

But thanks I will tell her and if Jennys Mom is reading this please read this to her so she can get in touch with Chris her screen name is Glidrz5,


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Re: sick?? [Re: ] #129352
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Thanks!!
I just e-mailed Chris (Glidrz5) and gave Jenny's contact info to her. <img src="/ubbthreads/images/graemlins/thanx.gif" alt="" />

Re: sick?? [Re: ] #129353
08/08/06 09:19 PM
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I tried to call Jenny, but got her voice mail. I left my number & PM'd it to you as well. She actually called while I was typing this post and we had a chance to talk about her baby.
It does sound like it could be similar to what my gliders had/have/are recovering from, but there are also quite a few differences, so I'm not sure that they have the same thing or not.
We're not sure exactly what it was that my kids had, (I thought Sydney had a pouch infection and Seamore a UTI) but the baytril they were on initially didn't seem to help much and neither did wiping down their tummy & pouch area with clorohexadrine (oral antibacterial rinse) as my vet instructed me to do.
Let me describe how my kids looked. Their tummies looked stained and wet.....almost as tho they had peed on themselves just prior to me getting them out of the pouch. I thought that Seamore might have had a UTI since I'd heard him hissing once, but I was unable to get him to give me a sample to take into the vets office. I was wiping his tummy mostly to clean it and make him more comfortable. Syddie started out with what appeared to be a pouch infection. Her pouch appeared swollen & puckered and was stained.
After being on baytril for 2 weeks, Syddies pouch looked less puffy/puckered, but wasn't normal yet. Then her tummy began to look wet, tho this coincided with Seamore's onset so I believed that she was being peed on.
At the SGGA I talked with several people who felt that the baytril was not the correct antibiotic. They had gliders with similar symptoms who had clostridium (sp?) and who needed something stronger and recommended either flagyl or clavamox to clear it up. We tried to contact my vet to see about switching antibiotics, but he was out of town so it was decided that the best thing to do was to take them to a vet there. He agreed that switching the antibiotics would be the best thing to do since he'd never had luck with baytril helping with the gram negative bacteria that Syddies prior culture had shown and gave us the clavamox to use for them both. After one dose I could see a difference in their appearance and after several days they began to appear normal again. I don't know exactly what they had.....it could have been a pouch infection & a UTI, we don't know for certain since no further testing was done, but the change in antibiotics did make a difference with my kids.


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Re: sick?? [Re: ] #129354
08/08/06 10:52 PM
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Thanks so much. Now she can tell the vet what to look for.

I just really thought he ws dipped his tai in the BML. OMG how stupid can I can be.!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!


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Re: sick?? [Re: ] #129355
08/09/06 12:21 AM
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Miss Ellen...Chris and I had discussed several possibilities about Syddie, before her little boy got ill, and didnt' get much of anywhere. We thought maybe she didn't know how to clean her pouch properly, that there was some kind of weird infection but the antibiotics weren't helping, that she might be getting in her food, etc. Whatever it was, was not normal, but we couldn't say what WAS wrong. I'm so glad the Clavamox is helping now.

However, when wiped with the cloth, Chris' gliders DID leave a brown stain on it, and where the fur wasn't wet (which point Syddie didn't get to for months) it was clumped and sticky looking and brown (not bml brown-it almost "looked" like she'd gotten into molasses, which I knew she hadn't-which is why I thought these two cases might have something in common. We live and we learn, and NONE of us has seen EVERYTHING this world has to offer-so don't you dare feel bad. I couldn't pinpoint it either (I hadn't had a chance to see them before the Ohio vet, but I did afterward). I do know that clostridium is an infection and can have a WIDE range of sources, and include gram positive, negative and/or anerobic bacterias. It depends on what is CAUSING the clostridium (which is another name for an infection in certain areas-in horses it's mainly the reproductive organs)-and the treatments can vary as widely as the infecting bacteria. ALSO: If bacteria is what is the infective agent(as in Chris' gliders case per the culture)-the glider WON'T be contagious to others without direct contact.

So if you're stupid, so am I-I suspected an infection but really needed to SEE the glider, along with knowing absolutely everything that had been previously tried, before I could offer much at all-something described is one thing, but seeing it can be entirely different.

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Re: sick?? [Re: ] #129356
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Hi everyone, Jenny just got home from taking the baby boy to the vet and he was given a clean bill of health. <img src="/ubbthreads/images/graemlins/yelclap.gif" alt="" /> Turns out he was just dragging or sitting in his food and that was causing the discoloring and matting. She was told that earthworms and slugs were a better nutritional choice than crickets and mealworms....has anybody else heard that one? <img src="/ubbthreads/images/graemlins/nixweiss.gif" alt="" />

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I have never heard of that. Hopefully someone with more knowledge will be along shortly to advise.

Good luck!!!


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Re: sick?? [Re: ] #129358
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Thats good to hear...Im wondering if the vet has glider knowledge though, I've NEVER heard of feeding earthworms or slugs..Gross.... What do earthworms and slugs eat that would make them so good for the suggies I wonder... I hope someone who knows more about earthworms and slugs comes along......

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Re: sick?? [Re: ] #129359
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I think Mikey, our resident bug expert (but don't let him hear you call them that) is out of the country. I'm not sure if he has web access, although it seems like he would. Maybe he's just been too busy to come on, but I haven't seen him since before the SGGA.


I think I've heard NOT to feed earthworms. In fact, it may be in Mikey's write up about bad critters to feed which is a sticky at the top of the diet forum.

I'm not sure I'd count this vet's word as gold. Gliders will usually groom themselves if they get something on them. Even not grooming can be a sign of illness. Is there another vet around that you could get a second opinion from? If he continues to look that way, I wouldn't ignore it.

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yeah, I am wondering about how reliable this vet may be. I told Jenny not to feed them to her gliders. Also, he gave her a list of veg and fruit with calcium and phosphorus ratio. But I asked her if it mentioned that turnip and rhubarb was toxic and it did not! So she will continue keeping a close eye on him anyways but he has not acted sick from the start.

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Earthworms are a definite NO-NO!!!! Probably slugs too. There was a post sometime ago about it and Mikey did explain why earthworms weren't good. You might check the sticky under diets & nutrition (I think) about Critters you shouldn't feed or are no-no's (something like that) to see if earthworms are mentioned in that. Mikey is the one who came up with that sticky. Can't imagine why a vet would recommend feeding earthworms and slugs to a glider.


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