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White Mosaic vs. Platinum Mosaic #1331293
03/05/13 08:45 PM
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I have a hard time telling a white mosaic from a plat mosaic. To me they both look a lot alike.

I'm going to assume the plat mo has plat lineage and the white mosaic does not.

Can you have a white mosaic with plat lines?

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Re: White Mosaic vs. Platinum Mosaic [Re: Mrs_Shay] #1331296
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A plat mosaic may or may not have platinum in there lineage it is just a way to describe there platinum like coloring. They are plat mosaics because unlike a plat( just "faded silver like" coloring) then tend to have white patches like a white foot or white tail/ringtail. White mosaic tend to just be white or have a larger amount of white on there body then greys. oh and plats dont have a break in the line down there back.
Whether you call it plat or white mosaic they are still a mosaic.

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Re: White Mosaic vs. Platinum Mosaic [Re: Mrs_Shay] #1331302
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A "true" platinum mosaic is a mosaic glider that is also platinum in color, so it must have platinum from both parents. They will look like a regular platinum glider with white mosaic markings.

A "platinum colored" mosaic is a regular mosaic with lighter gray than a normal glider. Some people call these "silver mosaics" to avoid confusion. They are a typical mosaic pattern that has just "powdered out" so they look lighter in color.

A "white mosaic" is a mosaic that is simply mostly white, with minimal dark markings. They can even look almost like a leu with speckled ears.


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Re: White Mosaic vs. Platinum Mosaic [Re: Mrs_Shay] #1331305
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Things get murky around the term "platinum mosaic." Personally I hate it and won't use it. I just say "mosaic."

This is a white mosaic:

Polar, Six Weeks OOP by Just In Luv, on Flickr

This is a "platinum mosaic" on the left (though again, I won't use that term because I find it misleading)

Esmee & Firefly, 3 Weeks OOP by Just In Luv, on Flickr

And this is a true platinum mosaic (meaning a platinum glider that is also mosaic ~ though it is hard to see his markings in this photo)

glidergliderglider 086 by Just In Luv, on Flickr

Re: White Mosaic vs. Platinum Mosaic [Re: Mrs_Shay] #1331310
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I agree with Hannah, I won't call a glider a platinum mosaic unless it is actually platinum, it's too misleading. In all honesty, I don't see much point in distinguishing a white mosaic, silver mosaic, or just plain ol' mosaic for advertising purposes. They are all the same genetically, having one or the other has no bearing on what type of offspring it will produce.


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Re: White Mosaic vs. Platinum Mosaic [Re: Mrs_Shay] #1331313
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I detest the term Platinum Mosaic, I will always refer to them as Silver Mosaic. Confusion gone! LOL

As to your original quesiton, a white mosaic and a silver mosaic will look totally different. A white mosaic is often confused with a leu in appearance. They will have some dark fur somewhere, be it a whisker, or spots on their ears, but otherwise are pretty much all white.

A silver mosaic should have the silver color to its fur, but may powder out as it gets older.


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Re: White Mosaic vs. Platinum Mosaic [Re: GliderNursery] #1331315
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Boobee (one of DCMuffin's monkeys from her six pack) is a white mo. He's all white, but has black speckles on his ears smile


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Re: White Mosaic vs. Platinum Mosaic [Re: Mrs_Shay] #1331317
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Thank you all for helping me figure out the difference! I appreciate it!


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Re: White Mosaic vs. Platinum Mosaic [Re: Mrs_Shay] #1331319
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Re: White Mosaic vs. Platinum Mosaic [Re: Tigerlily] #1331345
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Originally Posted By: Tigerlily
A "white mosaic" is a mosaic that is simply mostly white, with minimal dark markings. They can even look almost like a leu with speckled ears.


Is this the same as a pied glider? Or would a pied glider have to have a leu parent or leu het parent?

http://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Piebald

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Re: White Mosaic vs. Platinum Mosaic [Re: Mrs_Shay] #1331379
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We have never considered a white mosaic a pied glider. And no, a pied glider does not need to have leu in its lineage that I am aware. But that is an interesting question, let me see if I can get any other information or opinions! wink


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Re: White Mosaic vs. Platinum Mosaic [Re: GliderNursery] #1331410
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Hard question to answer. And some of us who have pied honestly don't know. For now... until we know more, a pied glider is like what you linked to, and btw, I have pointed out the pigmented skin on a pied glider to other breeders before, on my pied Keeper I actually saw her dark spot before she was furred (looked like the skin was dark). I'll look for a picture.

So the answer is.. is a white mo a pied? Answer is prob. no, but if it has some color/is it because the abnormal white has covered soooo much of the normal area? Or is it because they just have a lot of white for a mo? Right now a white mo is a white mo, a pied is a pied, but as genetics go... your guess is as good as mine. A pied glider does NOT need to have leu in the line, but so far... has mosaic in at least one parent.

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Re: White Mosaic vs. Platinum Mosaic [Re: queenduck] #1331413
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So I posted two pieds above, they are sisters born at different times. This is what the wite mos from the same line look like.. this is a cousin but they also had a sister like this and many aunts/uncles, etc. Each white mo has a little different marking, some lighter, some darker, right now I have one oop that barely has any markings.

So I'll post this picture. If this little boy has the same genes as the girls above, and you can see where the white in the girls above appear to be covering the normal areas/makeing the normal areas look odd, however... it's the white areas that are odd. So in some of these white mos... are they so white/that the completely cover the dark areas? Who knows.

Good questions, which I could answer it. Just thought I'd come over here and add more confusion... lol.

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Re: White Mosaic vs. Platinum Mosaic [Re: Mrs_Shay] #1331426
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Hmm. I've never understood the whole platinum/white mosaic thing.

I think that I'm going to try to post a picture of Daytona tonight. He has 'powdered out' a lot over the last few years, and is very white... although you can still see that he is a mosaic. Is that what you'd call a platinum? dunno


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Re: White Mosaic vs. Platinum Mosaic [Re: Mrs_Shay] #1331428
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Becci.. in the past we called a very light/powdered out mo a plat mo. But we can't do that anymore.
Now we have plat. gliders (they are not mosaics... think Haley from Sheila). So these are and have always been called platinum gliders. We used to describe a mosaic that had a simular light look/like a plat. a plat. mosaic.

But here's the problem. Now true plat. gliders have been paired with mosaics with a plat/leu gene. So they have produced mosaics that have the the look of a true plat. with mosaic markings.

Confused yet?


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Re: White Mosaic vs. Platinum Mosaic [Re: Mrs_Shay] #1331431
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:dizzy: Lol.

I think that I follow. smile

Daytona started out with dark markings (just found an older picture of him), but is now a really soft powdery color. He'd still likely be considered a regular mosaic, because he didn't come from platinum parents. In the past, however, he might have been called a platinum mosaic before we knew the difference.

Am I following?

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Re: White Mosaic vs. Platinum Mosaic [Re: Mrs_Shay] #1331484
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Yep, you're following, and yes, he would be considered a regular mosaic. To further avoid confusion, I would refer to him as a silver mosaic. (Making a color assumption from this thread, I've never seen him.)


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Re: White Mosaic vs. Platinum Mosaic [Re: Mrs_Shay] #1331488
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I haven't read all this but wanted to add...

I have a glider, Panda, who as a joey would have been classified as a "silver mosaic". But he has almost completely powdered out to all white except for a silver dot where his bald spot would be and a few speckles on his ears.

So the "silver" mosaics can powder out to white mosaics.

But the platinum mosaics, while they may powder out some, they will still be platinum because that is their color. They are combined with mosaic. Kinda like my lion mosaics. The lion and the mosaic are two separate color traits.


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Re: White Mosaic vs. Platinum Mosaic [Re: Mrs_Shay] #1331496
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A mosaic that is an actual platinum and a mosaic is called a True Platinum Mosaic (TPM).


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Re: White Mosaic vs. Platinum Mosaic [Re: Dancing] #1331497
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Originally Posted By: Dancing
So the "silver" mosaics can powder out to white mosaics.


This is a situation where IMO I would still call it a silver mo because that's how it was born. I would then make a notation in the database indicated that is has powdered out to an almost white.


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Re: White Mosaic vs. Platinum Mosaic [Re: GliderNursery] #1331513
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Can't help myself since today is the first day I've actually caught this little one oop/and eyes are already open. I knew Panda as a baby, it doesn't surprise me he's white now. He was such a pretty joey.
This little boy will get darker over the next few months, notice his one black whisker, but since he's started so light, he'll prob. always be white but may deveolps tiny spots on his ears by 8-16 weeks. The really white ones tend to darken and then lighten. This is not a sliver mo/even though he has a few silver hairs, he is a white mo. Any whiter and he'd be a leu (I've had two I sold as leus only to find out they were mos... they were lighter than this boy-different line).


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Re: White Mosaic vs. Platinum Mosaic [Re: Mrs_Shay] #1331607
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One little black whisker and little grey hairs on him. Seems I've seen this before from your lab Alicia!

As for Panda, I go on the database and there is a photo from when he was a joey. It is hard to believe it is the same glider. Even his forehead dot is getting smaller all the time. It was the size of a "normal" bald spot but now is just a little dot (smaller than a pencil eraser). I liked his looks better before he lost his coloring! (now like a leu, he's a little white rat with wings). But his personality is to DIE FOR!


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Call him whatever you want :rofl2: I just call him gorgeous mlove


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Re: White Mosaic vs. Platinum Mosaic [Re: queenduck] #1331767
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Originally Posted By: queenduck
This little boy will get darker over the next few months, notice his one black whisker, but since he's started so light, he'll prob. always be white but may deveolps tiny spots on his ears by 8-16 weeks. The really white ones tend to darken and then lighten. This is not a sliver mo/even though he has a few silver hairs, he is a white mo. Any whiter and he'd be a leu (I've had two I sold as leus only to find out they were mos... they were lighter than this boy-different line).


omg, I LOVE his little face!! especially the first picture!


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