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Caramel Sugar Gliders #1334408
03/21/13 07:33 PM
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There was some conversation about a color of sugar glider on FaceBook. That conversation led me to researching things a bit. From there I created a new page on my website. Here is a portion of the information:

Caramel gliders (Petaurus Breviceps Flavidus) were imported into the United States from Merauke on the island Irian Jaya in Indonesia in 2009.

Caramel gliders are a different subspecies than that of our sugar gliders. Cross breeding the two different sub-species results in sterile gliders.

Caramel sugar gliders are actually a standard grey; which is a normal standard for their subspecies. They are a more champagne color than caramel color (wild caught are more caramel color due to their natural diet) and tend to have white hands and feet. They have a naturally calm disposition and make slightly different pitched sounds. They have a distinctly larger frame than our sub-species of gliders and have very thick tails.

To read more:
Caramels


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Re: Caramel Sugar Gliders [Re: GliderNursery] #1334410
03/21/13 07:37 PM
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How pretty!! Are they common in America? Or will they be soon do you think?!

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Re: Caramel Sugar Gliders [Re: GliderNursery] #1334412
03/21/13 08:01 PM
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If you go to that link I posted, you'll see all of the pairings currently in the US.


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Re: Caramel Sugar Gliders [Re: GliderNursery] #1334482
03/22/13 08:36 AM
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Very interesting.


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Re: Caramel Sugar Gliders [Re: GliderNursery] #1334486
03/22/13 08:56 AM
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Also wanted to mention that from what I've been told, there is no longer a permit to catch them on the island they came from. If this is true, then no others will be imported any time soon. If carefully bred, there are enough wild caught imported pairs to have a nice start with this variety. Just remember that these are the ones that cause sterility if bred out to ours.


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Re: Caramel Sugar Gliders [Re: GliderNursery] #1334530
03/22/13 03:46 PM
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Originally Posted By: GliderNursery
Also wanted to mention that from what I've been told, there is no longer a permit to catch them on the island they came from. If this is true, then no others will be imported any time soon. If carefully bred, there are enough wild caught imported pairs to have a nice start with this variety. Just remember that these are the ones that cause sterility if bred out to ours.


Shelley. I have an Indonesian friend that breeds sugar gliders. He says most of the pet gliders over there were originally captured illegally from the wild and though now, there are enough mill type farms and breeders over there to supply animals, the illegal trade of gliders from the wild is still occurring especially when it comes to special colours or types. It is a matter of how much money offered to the locals to catch animals for them rather than permits.

Re: Caramel Sugar Gliders [Re: GliderNursery] #1334533
03/22/13 04:13 PM
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I may be misunderstanding, but S&S has listed Caramel/Creme-ino crosses as breeding and producing at least one joey. If they are sterile when reproducing with our gliders, then how could that be? dunno

The boy of cross parents;
http://www.gliderpets.com/index.php?main_page=product_info&cPath=80&products_id=472

The parents; (all the way at the bottom)
http://www.gliderpets.com/index.php?main_page=page&id=22

Last edited by sugarlope; 03/22/13 04:29 PM.

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Re: Caramel Sugar Gliders [Re: GliderNursery] #1344204
06/03/13 10:20 AM
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The offspring of the pairing would be sterile.


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Re: Caramel Sugar Gliders [Re: GliderNursery] #1344212
06/03/13 10:35 AM
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arizona
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I had already found all this info outside of GC I was looking to see if anyone else had anymore info? If anyone else does I would love to hear all about it ty.


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Re: Caramel Sugar Gliders [Re: GliderNursery] #1344213
06/03/13 10:37 AM
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Sugarlope~ Thank you very good info found!


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:cream: Twinkie & :bb: Cupcake / Creme Het
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:cream: Freya & :bb: Krom / cream het/ leu het/ albino het
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Re: Caramel Sugar Gliders [Re: GliderNursery] #1344215
06/03/13 10:57 AM
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http://www.gliderpets.com/index.php?main_page=page&id=24 Great info found here! Say, The caramel sugar gliders that they have raised are all from strong producing lines. I have heard rumors about there being sterile lines but all of hers have reproduced without question.


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:cream: Twinkie & :bb: Cupcake / Creme Het
:plat: Persephone & :leu: Powder
:cream: Freya & :bb: Krom / cream het/ leu het/ albino het
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Re: Caramel Sugar Gliders [Re: GliderNursery] #1344419
06/04/13 07:52 PM
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That was part of what I was seeing and wondering about as well, gabbygirl.

So I finally just went to the source (the person who imported these gliders originally) and asked. Suzette from S&S Exotics was responsible for the initial trip to import Caramels (and others). I asked her about sterility in crosses and she said she has not had that experience at all. That her crosses are now 4th and 5th gen bred with no sterility showing up in ANY of the offspring from the cross pairings.

She said she feels like the resulting sterility (that is discussed by another breeder) was introduced into the cross by that breeder and that it is not the Caramel line, nor is it the cross of the Caramel to our gliders that caused the sterility.


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Re: Caramel Sugar Gliders [Re: GliderNursery] #1345074
06/11/13 09:48 AM
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Very pretty!!!

Re: Caramel Sugar Gliders [Re: GliderNursery] #1345152
06/11/13 06:23 PM
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Wow what an interesting color!


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