Ellen...Ok...I think I misunderstood your first question. She only did the arched back, walking on toes thing before she passed the seeds....or whatever they are. Since then she has just been doing the weird random muscle spasm can't keep all legs on the ground walking thing. Stools before last night were normal. She has also gone since then...it was normal also.

The vet did give a sub-q injection while Kylie was under anestesia for blood work.

Actually...she has gone potty twice since the seeds...my uncle just found some on my back...LOL...it seems that those things were really stopping her up...but she has not shown any type of improvement since passing them.

Can or will she eat the BML even off of your finger? IF she just wants mealies you could smash them up so she could just eat the mush.

Watch and see if her back arches again and then watch and see if she does pass anything else.

I am glad they gave her the fluids did they give you any to bring home with you to give her?

Gosh I wish we could be with you right now.

I have to feed my "gang" so will be off line for a little while. But Amie, you have my number if you want to call.

Ellen...Kylie can eat the BML out of the syringe. I also gave her some fruit baby food...I did break the mealies in half for her...and let her lick the insides...wanted to make sure she got some just in case...they're her favorite <img border="0" alt="" title="" src="graemlins/crying.gif" />

I missed your post about her going more. We must have been posting at the same time.

Amie, I sure would force fluids as much as you can along with the BML. If she did have a blockage you may be onto something. Give her a chance to clean herself out. And the fluids and BML will help. I would go easy or none at all with veggies just stay with some fruit that will help hydrate her and help move more stool.

Now I gotta go feed mine or they will be coming to get me LOL.

Ellen...whenever you get back from feeding time....do you really think that a blockage could be causing all this??? If so...I will definately have hope...will stay up all night feeding again...not that I would sleep anyway...

Glider Greetings, Amie <img border="0" alt="" title="" src="graemlins/wave.gif" />

Am very sorry to be reading about Kylie's troubles. Hopefully it will work out and she will regain her health. I have zero experience with glider health problems so this may not amount to a hill of beans.......seems to me that, if the shaking is the result of a true seizures, she would not sleep quietly as you have suggested??? I assume that a true seizure would occur whether she was awake or asleep??? The fact that she shakes only while awake may mean something; but, I don't know what??? <img border="0" title="" alt="[Smile]" src="images/icons/smile.gif" />

Honey, I don't really know. At this point it may be a ray of light. You were so smart to look so closley at the stool. That's why I said lets get some nutrition into her that may help give her strengh and if there is more push the rest out along with whatever has backed up. This is a good reason we say NOT to give seeds. I KNOW you don't but even a little thing like a seed can cause blockage.
I wish I could tell you for sure that's what it is but lets keep hope. As I said earlier the way she is walking could be from a tummy ache. Again HOPE. At this point anything she can do to improve at the least is good. She will need to rest some too. She has had a long day. But I would make sure she gets those fluids and nutrients too.
gonna feed gliders I hear cages rattleing.

Randy...I know now that they are not really seizures...didn't at the time I first posted...the not shaking while asleep thing is definately a question i wouldn't mind an answer to...I think it's one of the few things that haven't been addressed yet...

Ellen...I will keep hoping. she definately needs some energy. The shakes actually seem to have gotten a bit better...she is still shaking non stop...but not as violently...there are more violent moments...and she is getting scared very easily...but she is very weak right now. I tried getting her to take a nap, but no go...as weak as she is...she doesn't want to stay in one place for any length of time...

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Amie,
after reading through all of these posts, one thing comes to mind.
You say she passed seed, and her posture might indicate she had blockage. Also toxins are suspected ?

Well my train of thought is this. if she had a blockage, that could have possibly led to her intestines busting open, and that in turn would cause toxins to enter the body...
I agree with Ryan, to flush out toxins, but to also do antibiotics.

That is what i would do.

I once set up seticism in my body, and it gave me the shakes.

Maybe it's an idea to discuss with the vet.

Hope all will be well soon...

Tanja

How's Kylie now?

I am so sorry to hear about Kylie. I will be praying for her.

I realize that gliders and hamsters are quite a bit different, but what you are describing (minus the seed in the stool) is exactly what was happening to one of my hamsters. She was extremely ill, very weak, shaking uncontrollably, ears down, eyes half shut, muscle spasms, falling over, unable to keep balance, etc. Do you have a cat? We managed to nurse Bianca back to health with a lot of fruit that was high in water (melon, etc) and a lot of TLC. One thing we were able to see when she was getting better was a nick on the side of her face that resembled a cat scratch. It was a cat scratch. Cats have a toxin that they use to slow down and kill their prey.
Maybe you don't have a cat and this could be a total shot in the dark, but I thought I would bring it up just on the off chance that maybe you do.
I hope Kylie gets better soon. You are doing an amazing job. Take care and best of luck.

Lori

Tager...I DO have a cat...and you had me thinking there for a minute...is there ANY way that the cat could have gotten to Kylie...I am pretty sure not...but then I remember that she doesn't have any front claws anyway....thank you for thinking of me though.

Reyoko...thanks for adding your thoughts too...I think though if it was something like that...she wouldn't have made it this long...I could be wrong and I could definately bring it up at the vets, but that was my thought on it.

Is Kylie any better??

i would try giving her some dannon yogurt for the xtra calcium and stress she may have

Amie, I too am following your post with baited breath...you're doing great...Kylie knows it too, keep up the great work.

My thoughts are...she is weak and tired from all the commotion, and it does sound alot like she might be in discomfort (not sleeping...restless). Trust your gut...that is what got me through Tira's episode...and in the end, it was what I suspected. Is it possible for the vet to take a look at the *seed*? That would at least give them and yourself an idea what exactly it is...or was.

Just a suggestion...how about the Pedialtye popsicles for fluids too? Good electrolytes, and easy to digest. Temporary of course.

O good luck hun...I am rambling...wish I could help you too...

Karin

keep looking up as my old glider just got over 2 weeks of a respitory infection, on bayril. i saw her wheezing and sleeping day and night so i rushed her to the emergency vet who new nothing about gliders, i told her to give me baytril as i new it was in her chest. 2 weeks later shes her old self again if this vet isnt glider knowledgeable try another. it took alot of work to get my glider well but, it paid off. they can get better dont give up.

right now...I'm not sure how things are going...they were getting a little better...now they are back....Plus...I have a wet glider...she is not drinking much but spitting it out...how can I dry her off? I will update you guys with all the other things that have been going on later...when Kylie is asleep.

Oh...she just went potty again...first one was normal, second was soft, but not runny.

Oh...Ellen...when we talked earlier and I said she was holding onto my thumb and pressing against my thumb with her mouth? I figured out what she is doing...poor baby is trying to make herself stop shaking <img border="0" title="" alt="[Frown]" src="images/icons/frown.gif" />

Amie, I'm praying for your little girl. I wish I could do something to help you and her. In the meantime, will keep praying all works out ok. sounds like you need some rest too. Try and take care of yourself too or you won't be be any good for your little one.
I hope this is soon over and she is all better!
Chey

All of our Thoughts and prayers are going out to you and Kylie , I hope she gets better soon .

Keeping you both in my prayers. I just wish we could be there to comfort you both. <img border="0" alt="" title="" src="graemlins/heartpump.gif" />

Amie,

I have been checking and reading, it's great to hear an update on Kylie. I am still hoping and praying for the best. I see that you weren't able to get even a little rest. It's glad to hear that she isn't shaking as violently as she was. I know you didn't give her the seed, but do you have any idea of what type of seed that it was?? Maybe your sister tried to feed her something while she and her friends had her out?!?! I'm not saying anything, I am just suggesting any ways to how she could've gotten that seed. Do you feed KIWIs? Well, will be waiting on more posts and updates. Thanks,

Praying for you guys. I really hope everything will pass and you guys will get some rest.

Thanks,
Tammy

It has been a long night, I managed to get a couple hours of sleep...just woke up and so did Kylie (sort of...she doesn't seem really there) but soon after we woke up she threw up. It was a pretty good amount. It was kind of a white milky fluid along with some BML. She is dehydrated though...I can't get her to drink anything though...If I put a little bit of water on her mouth, she does not swallow it.

I don't know what to say. I just want you to know I am thinking about you and Kylie. <img border="0" alt="" title="" src="graemlins/heartpump.gif" /> <img border="0" alt="" title="" src="graemlins/littleglider.gif" />

Amie is on her way to the vet right now. Just wanted to let you all know.
Keep them in your prayers.

Please keep us posted on how the sweeties are doing, both of them. I am praying for them and hoping that they will figure out what is wrong with Amie's Kylie. Did she figure out what the seed may have been or how she got it?? It's amazing what these guys can get a hold of. I just read where someone's glider got a flinstone vitamin. It's quite amazing.

I will be waiting to hear some news from Amie, or anyone else that is in touch with her.

KEEP THEM IN YOUR PRAYERS,

I hesitate to post for Amie. But under the circumstance she may not be on for a little while

Her baby died on the way to the vet's.

I have spoken with her and she thanks everyone for thier support and caring. She cant believe the outpouring of support.

I am sure she will be on as soon as she can to post. I don't know how much time she needs.

I know we have all been waiting to see how she is, and I hope I didnt overstep any bounds by posting this.

I am so very sad. I have always loved reading about Kylie. It's almost as though I lost one of my own pets.

Oh, Ellen, thanks so much for keeping us posted...even though it wasn't what we were hoping for.

It just sad that she didn't make it to the vet.

Amie loved kylie soooo much and they were perfect for each other. It's just so sad to hear that she is gone now. Amie must be torn up pretty badly. We all did what we could and Amie did as well. Hopefully Amie will keep her high spirits after all that has happened. It's never good to lose one, it's like losing a child, but at least Kylie isn't suffering any more. Now we have to help Amie with her suffering and her loss. We were all pulling for the best and lots of ppl gave lots of good advice, I just think that vets need to be a little more educated. The vets that do see gliders, and the vets that don't see them should be familiar with them in case of an emergency.

***I'M SOOO SORRY AMIE***