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Re: Sudden weight loss
[Re: sandbat]
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08/22/15 10:38 PM
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I tried opening it up, but something else kept coming up. Really weird. Can an enlarged liver have anything to do w/too much iron in their digestive system? What causes a liver to enlarge?
Larry & Josefine Vodenik 2014 4 St Perry,Iowa50220 515/321-6081cell# j.vodenik@hotmail.com
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Re: Sudden weight loss
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08/25/15 06:49 PM
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Update: Her weight is maintaining at 122 grams since Saturday, but that is with burritoing her every night and feeding her OHPW with an oral syringe, which is stressful for both of us. She will not touch the ohpw or hpw plus anymore. I will try the HPW Complete when it comes. Someone also told me about a good recovery food I can try if the HPW complete does not work for her.
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Re: Sudden weight loss
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08/27/15 04:03 AM
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Thanks. Danni went to the emergency vet tonight because she was not pooping. She got a subQ and laxatives. I am so frustrated with my primary vets flailing around and blindly throwing stuff at the wall to see what sticks in regards to my gliders' ailments, or shrugging and repeating about how much we still don't know about gliders while referring to 10 year old outdated info, or pressing yet another photocopy of original ledbeatter's mix from a 15 year old website, or worse still, parroting misinformation from a certain glider mill, while emergency vets always seem to know their stuff, and yet never cost less than the hundreds of dollars!
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Re: Sudden weight loss
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08/27/15 09:45 AM
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I can truly sympathize w/you on how much a vet would know. We are supposed to be going to one of the best vet clinics in Iowa, & @ one visit, he actually said that I could maybe know more about glider care & such than he would. I was not too happy to hear that, it was so disappointing. I told him if they wanted to know more, to go to this forum, but especially to the sweet spot, as she has almost everything that can go wrong w/a glider for more knowledge. As far as the cost, I think many of us can sympathize w/you on that point. Many here have spent $100's of dollars on our babies. It sometimes just comes w/owning sugar gliders.Not everyone, but quite a few. You could insist on him getting w/Dr. Tristan, or Dr. Walsh for further knowledge on the care of gliders.
Larry & Josefine Vodenik 2014 4 St Perry,Iowa50220 515/321-6081cell# j.vodenik@hotmail.com
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Re: Sudden weight loss
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08/27/15 10:15 AM
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Thanks. Danni went to the emergency vet tonight because she was not pooping. She got a subQ and laxatives. I am so frustrated with my primary vets flailing around and blindly throwing stuff at the wall to see what sticks in regards to my gliders' ailments, or shrugging and repeating about how much we still don't know about gliders while referring to 10 year old outdated info, or pressing yet another photocopy of original ledbeatter's mix from a 15 year old website, or worse still, parroting misinformation from a certain glider mill, while emergency vets always seem to know their stuff, and yet never cost less than the hundreds of dollars! I understand your frustration.
We have a list of glider knowledgeable vets in our database who will do phone consults with other vets.
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Re: Sudden weight loss
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08/28/15 01:31 AM
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Danni's weight is up after I started her on carnivore care. I gave it to her mixed in 1/4 teaspoon yogurt, 1/4 teaspoon green juice, 1/4 teaspoon cranberry juice, and 1/4 teaspoon ohpw. I used less than 1/4 teaspoon carnivore care (I was told to give somewhat less than 1/4 teaspoon, and never more than that) with a few drops of milk thistle oil. I did it this way so it doesn't taste like any one thing, and the taste of the carnivore care (which smells a lot like apple cider vinegar) is well hidden. I have put her off of some foods before by trying to hide medicine in it.
She didn't eat all of it, but it appears she did not need to. She is also going poop again after being started on a laxative. I am so relieved, though I know we are not altogether out of the woods yet.
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Re: Sudden weight loss
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08/30/15 12:27 AM
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We went back to the vet for a recheck following the emergency vet visit. The vet I have been seeing in this case has recommended I consult with the OSU or A&M regarding Danni's condition, as she cannot tell what specific thing is causing her problems. Danni has also been sneezing on top of everything else...the vet has given me some clavamox to give to her. She listened to her lungs, and there is no fluid in the lungs, everything sounds good, but she sneezed up some clear fluid earlier. X rays do not show anything like a tumor or any other obvious issue.
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Re: Sudden weight loss
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08/30/15 01:02 PM
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I agree with Peggy, have your regular vet contact Dr. Tristan!
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Re: Sudden weight loss
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08/31/15 12:54 AM
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Well, I just spent several minutes watching her shove apple into her face. I will recommend my vet talk to Dr. Tristan. How do I get his contact info?
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Re: Sudden weight loss
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08/31/15 09:15 AM
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Texas Sealife Center (361) 589-4023 Be sure to have your vet call direct because otherwise whoever answers at this center will simply take a message. He is a very busy man and does not take calls from everyone.
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Re: Sudden weight loss
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08/31/15 09:41 AM
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Or send me your vets number and I can call them with Dr. T's personal number for them to call.
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Re: Sudden weight loss
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09/06/15 10:10 PM
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Thanks! Update: Dani's weight has stabilized. She will eat plain baked chicken along with her fruits and veggies, but she has an aversion to OHPW now, so bad that I think my suspicion that the batch they had back in July was bad somehow, and was probably what made her sick in the first place must be true. Right now, she wants nothing to do with HPW at all.  But at least she is keeping her weight stable and eating the chicken!
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Re: Sudden weight loss
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09/06/15 10:27 PM
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Seeing as you were feeding the original HPW, why not get in touch with Peggy at Critterlove@Critterlove.com and have her send you a sample of Critterlove Plus or Complete.
See if she will eat that. Otherwise you may want to consider TPG.
Kimberley Feathers-Sweetie, Mister Peanut & Big Mack Fur-Guinan, Mr. Spock, T'Mir, Cho, Toothless, Maverick & Maharet  T'Pol, Elizabeth & Curzon  TY, TJ, Light Fury, Madison & T'Pring Forever in my heart, Gizmo, Tucker, Khayman and the rest of my babies over the
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Re: Sudden weight loss
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Peggy sent me a free sample of complete...and her aversion to HPW is so strong now that she won't touch it! I tried changing the presentation, mixing it with different juices, and nothing seemed to get her interested in it again. D: I hope this isn't permanent, but I am going to switch to TPG in the meantime.
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Re: Sudden weight loss
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09/06/15 11:43 PM
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I wonder if she got some bad eggs. As Plus and Original both call for eggs. Just remember to get the vitamins that go with the TPG diet.
Kimberley Feathers-Sweetie, Mister Peanut & Big Mack Fur-Guinan, Mr. Spock, T'Mir, Cho, Toothless, Maverick & Maharet  T'Pol, Elizabeth & Curzon  TY, TJ, Light Fury, Madison & T'Pring Forever in my heart, Gizmo, Tucker, Khayman and the rest of my babies over the
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Re: Sudden weight loss
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09/16/15 01:05 AM
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Update...well, she stopped eating the chicken as few days after I posted this. She lost a few more grams, but I think I have decoded a part of the eating delimma...she is definitely still constipated, with a lot of gas. I am sorry for the TMI, but there it is. Is there anything I can do to help her feel better? They don't make GasX for gliders! But the good news is, I can get her to eat fruits and veggies again...as long as they are FRESH. She turns her nose up at anything frozen, but unfortunately this includes HPW/Critterlove, too, as well as TPG diet. I think that freezer may be due for a thorough cleaning, if the issue is that she just doesn't like the freezer odor. Is there any diet that isn't frozen?
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Re: Sudden weight loss
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09/16/15 02:35 AM
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Have you tried making smaller batches of the Critterlove and serving it fresh?
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Re: Sudden weight loss
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Have you tried making smaller batches of the Critterlove and serving it fresh? I was actually considering doing just that. If it ever thawed (was left out by accident, or if everything in the freezer thawed due to a power outage or something) I was told to not refreeze it, but store it in the fridge and toss it after four days. I will probably end up doing this.
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Re: Sudden weight loss
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09/17/15 10:14 AM
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Will she run in the wheel? That's how I got Zoey to work out her gas. Other than that I wouldn't really know how to get rid of it. Maybe get some baby gas drops and dilute it... Have to talk to the vet or ask around if that would be safe.
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Re: Sudden weight loss
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Will she run in the wheel? That's how I got Zoey to work out her gas. Other than that I wouldn't really know how to get rid of it. Maybe get some baby gas drops and dilute it... Have to talk to the vet or ask around if that would be safe. Did she refuse to eat while gas was a problem? I just can't figure out if she is just being a incredibly picky eater, or if there is something really wrong. The vet seemed to think that the liver issue stemmed from the sudden weight loss, but then she basically told me that all she could do was guess. I am taking them to a different vet tomorrow. I am really 500% done with vets looking at my babies, doing all sorts of tests and x rays, and just shrugging (but happily taking my money into the thousands of dollars.) If they don't know what's wrong, why don't they find out!? Danni is literally starving herself to death. Sometimes she'll seem to perk up and show interest in her food, and then when I get my hopes up she starts refusing everything again, and it is back to the oral syringe and having to struggle to get anything into her face.
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