Hello all! My name is Jess! I am a new sugar bear mom! I have 2 young gliders, 1 male and 1 female, they are approx. 13 weeks OOP I believe. I have had them for a month (the male about a month and a half) and we got them from a reputable USDA exotic local breeder. When we got our female we noticed the end of her tail was bare like missing fur. We brought that up as an obvious concern and he told us it was just from stress and she would stop over grooming when we got her home and settled in. Well we got her home and we were able to put them in the same cage because they were raised together and are only a week apart and they are still young. We have never witnessed her hurting herself but just recently it has gotten worst and now the breeder wont answer our questions and concerns we have about her. She finally started to open up to us bonding wise and we are finally able to pick her up (she's a biter) and last night I checked her tail, it's gotten worst. I feel a kink in her tail so I believe she is SM because it got damaged in the cage the breeder had her in (he had a bunch of them in a cage and about half of them had damaged and severed tails) so I made an appointment with our exotic vet here in town and luckily we have a really good one I hear. We have never witnessed her tail bleeding or anything like that, we just noticed the damage is worst and the bone is exposed. I feel as if I want to blame the breeder for not addressing this and now ignoring us on the issue (we never signed anything when we bought her releasing them as at fault) does anyone know what a typical tail amputation costs? She seems overall healthy and happy other than keeping her tail curled and my male leaves her tail alone. She is on a BML diet and I only feed them the strict fruit and veggies each night. They are picky and don't get many treats other than yogurt but she eats and drinks very well and stool is normal and she loves to play. Just want to know what to expect when we go into her appointment for her poor tail So sad for my baby girl Cloud <3

Hopefully someone can answer your question on here soon.

I'm sorry I have no experience but wanted to touch base with you. Hopefully most of the tail can be saved?

Pleased keep us posted. Oh and welcome to Glider Central!

I would have a heated discussion with this breeder.

Sadly he is a well known guy who breeds them himself, or so he says. I just did research and I wanna ring this guy's neck. He has a USDA license but is letting this happen to all his gliders and other animals. He sells out of his house, or barn I should say. I filed a complaint against him on the USDA website so hopefully he gets punished. I looked up his records and he had some violations but not with the gliders. He still has not answered. Her tail is getting worst, we have an appointment at 2 pm tomorrow to get both our gliders checked out so praying for some good news! Luckily the kink is towards the end so if they do amputate she should have half of her tail (like all the other gliders in her cage had left).

Thank you all for the support and prayers! I will post tomorrow any results and to hopefully schedule her next appointment.

I'm trying to if I can get a hold of this guy! I just learned he has like 3 petitions out against him to revoke his USDA and I feel like crap because I forgot to research the breeder my own bad I guess. He is being compared to the "puppy mill" of the exotic breeders. I don't know if I'm allowed to post his name here so I will withhold but he needs to be taken out!!!

His company name is Even Keel Exotics

I have been a USDA licensed breeder since 2003 and live in Ohio and never heard of him, but I agree with others that he doesn't sound reputable. A lot of people see USDA licensed and think reputable, but in fairness, there are very low USDA standards to breeding sugar gliders.

It is possible that it was stressed judging by what you described, but it can also be an injury that is causing pain.

I have a list of vets in Ohio that sees sugar gliders. Price will vary extremely depending on what part of the state you are from.

Well it is good to know they are out there now so I can inform others about them.

Our very own Ohio based mill broker!

Hi all! Sorry just got back from the vet!
Regarding Even Keel, he lives in Temperance MI, that's only 15 minutes from me as I'm in Toledo, OH. He sells a variety from foxes, to cavies, to prairie dogs and sugar gliders and hedgehogs. He once in a while sells GSD puppies as well. He isn't very known for his gliders around here.
Also he had a good amount of sugar gliders in a tiny hamster cage, most of which had missing tails as well. We got her because it looked like she had all of her tail.

The vet office was good, Sky is completely healthy which is great. Overall, Cloud is healthy, her heart sounds good as do her lungs. But she is way older than we thought she was (he told us she was around Sky's age which would put her at 3.5 months old, she looks and weights to be 5-6 months old, another thing he had no idea he was talking about ) She is scheduled for Monday to have her tail tip amputated but it is not guaranteed this will stop her SM. They aren't dealing with the kink in her tail yet either. Right now she is on 2 pain meds as well as antibiotics.

I really really hope this stops her SM I feel so bad for my baby girl. But better news my Brisbane cage from Exotic Nutrition will be here! (I'm mainly excited it has a shelf for storage but don't tell my suggies that )

Discuss this with your vet when you take her in for the amputation, but it may be best to have them amputate it past the kink.

Also, tell them not to shave her tail. I have discussed this with a vet in Kentucky two years ago, had to have an emergency tail amputation while at the SGGA, that vet doesn't shave them for amputations.

Usually the glider will take the stitches out during the night and then leave their tail alone. Here is the link for making an e collar.http://www.glidercentral.net/ubbthreads/...ilate#Post69788

Please keep us posted on your little one.

Hi all, sorry for MIA, she just got back from her surgery. I'm a little stressed out because it costed way more than the estimate and it set us back a lot in bills but hopefully she stops

Doctors said she started to chew it again. They tried an e-collar but she's too smart and finds her way out every time. They also put bad tasting things but she still wants to go for it. Now we have to inject her with medicine as well as her oral meds and antibiotic.

It's going to be a rough few days. I'm praying this works because I can't afford right now to keep paying the vet bill hundreds each time

I have messaged Denise Rainwaters about this, hopefully we can get an e jacket to you.

Well well well!! GC still remembers me (and yes that's a GOOD thing).....I haven't been on here forever, but Miss Feather always knows how to find me (no matter how big of a rock I try to hide under

Let's get down to business (while the tar is heating up and I gather up a bunch of feathers for this not-so-fantastic "breeder"----and I'm keeping THAT remark as g-rated as I can). My first question is this: how much tail is LEFT for her to be messing with? If she even has HALF left, then the e-jacket won't work well in this situation. She'd still be able to reach it, chew on it, and continue on her little road of self-destruction. There is a second style of e-collar called a SATELLITE which is very easy to make and put on....the key is making it just snug enough that she CAN'T pop it off as easily as a SHOTGLASS e-collar. It's basically made from the same materials as a shotglass.....there's no template other than one of those large drinking glasses in your cupboard. Make a circle, cut it out, find a dime to put in the center and make a circle around IT, cut a line from the outside of the big circle to the edge of the little circle, cut out your little circle, and put moleskin everywhere. ROUND THE EDGES on both ends of the cut (neck rubbing wounds come from square corners rubbing against the very thin skin of gliders) and put moleskin EVERYWHERE...around the inside of the small circle, the outside of the big circle, and on both sides of the straight-cut line.

Now.....if her tail is down to LESS THAN an inch, we MAY have a chance with an e-jacket working. I don't charge a small fortune for one: they're $10 each, and they're washable and re-usable. Postage for 2-day delivery to Toledo is $6.25, so we're talking $16.25 total damage. I'm more worried about helping your little girl than I am about the payment, so say "the word" and give me your address...bippity, boppity boo!...one will be on the way! All I need to know is her weight, which I'm sure is on one of your papers. (age doesn't really help here, I've known babies to be young and weigh a LOT or many years old and weigh 75 grams soaking wet).

I'll try to check back a little later for answers to my questons.

Here you go. How to Make A Satellite Collar

Let's try this again, shall we?

Karen!

With this satellite collar, will the glider be able to eat/ drink on their own? Or will it depend on how glider fits in it and dishes used?

We used a lid from a sour cream container to feed Conner when he was in the satellite collar. It isn't easy for them to eat.

Some stuff was hand fed to him.

Hi all! Great news! She has not touched her tail ONCE (not even to really clean the wound)! The surgery worked wonders, she has a little more than half her tail left. She is so happy and playing and eating well! Thank you all for the help and support. She does not need an e-collar and she is actually off her meds (still on the antibiotic though) and she is a completely different glider. She is officially bonding with us and rolling around biting our fingers in a good way.

Much love! Jess, Cloud and Sky.

Good news!

This is the best news I could read when first signing in this morning. Just awesome