Would you ask them about it, or do you know of someone else that has a white tail picture that I could get permission to use? I would like to have a complete variations page.

Ushuaia

Let's see...this thread needs some updating...

Sandman and Sage(both white faced blondes) have produced two offspring with one baby each time...resulting with white face babies.

Fro and Lilly(both white faced blondes)owned by Sheila, have had two litters...resulting in two white faced babies the first time and then two normal colored babies the second time around.

Now these two pairs of wfblondes have the same mother and father. Otherwords...the lineage is exactly the same on paper. Does this then throw out the dilution theory due to one pair having a set of Hets? Leaving this to the theory we are dealing with a dominant and recessive gene?

What I see of these breeding is...Blonde to normal is 25% blondes, 50% normal, and 25%hets for wfblondes.

With two blondes paired together 50% blondes,25% normal and 25% hets for wf blondes. With a second generation of blondes to blondes the percentages of wfblonde offspring should increase.

Not sure on the percentages for blonde paired with het who is proven for wfb. Since Mike has done several breedings using them...perhaps he could give up the percentages. But it is my guess the percentages are the same as a normal paired with a wfblonde. But only with a proven wfblonde het.

I have purchased a couple of other white faced blondes who were grey with white faces and not out of the Cereal line...and guess what...their back color is changing now to a light carmel color. Since these youngsters are less than six months oop. it is still possible for them to turn the carmel color like those of the Cereal line. However, they are very white in the face and not cream colored. One of these gliders is paired with a glider out of Cereal lineage...the other one...I am still looking for a wf grey male to breed with. By late fall...we should be able to see some of the results as to color out of these pairs.

Well that is all I can come up with for now. If anyone else can come up with some information that would help or clear up something I have misunderstood...please feel free to post. Please remember I am learning like everyone one else and I do not profess to be an expert.

As for the Leucestics....well work is in progress. <img src="/ubbthreads/images/graemlins/smile.gif" alt="" />

Judie~
So it IS possible to have a regular grey glider with a white face? Do you have a picture of one? I really believe that one of my new male joeys has a white face, or it just looks light compared to the others. Do the white faced grey gliders have the little black markings under their ears? <img src="/ubbthreads/images/graemlins/confused.gif" alt="" />

A glider can have a white face or whiter face, but not be considered a "white faced Blonde" or a white faced Normal" Most of the "white faced normals" turn a blonder color as they get older but there are varying degress of the back color. The white face on a "white-faced blonde" or a "white-faced Normal" have no bar under the ear at all. <img src="/ubbthreads/images/graemlins/heartpump.gif" alt="" />

How do you know if you have a het or a normal grey gene? After reading all this I am still confused. Not very good at genetics, but it interest me so much. Or is it just a guess? Cause if the het looks like a normal grey how do you know it has the gene in them?

Ok, let me go back and refresh Judie here.
Frodo and Lily (both Blondes) have had two sets of joeys.
The first was blonde, the second was a pair one blonde and one het. The total is 3 joeys. (Judie's memory has failed her since she had her 60th this week). The chance that a joey that is normal color coming from these two is greater than a normal color joey coming from parents who are blonde paired with a normal. There is still a lot unknown about the blonde gene. With a Leucistic, when a Leucistic paired with a normal - the offspring is 100% het. Take two 100% hets and put them together and you have a 25% chance that the offspring is not het at all, 25% that the offspring will be white, 50% chance that the offspring will be het. If this same principal applied to blondes that would mean every offspring coming out of One Blonde parent and One normal parent would be 100% het. and so on and so on... Don't know if the blonde gene is as dominate or not. Also, in the Leucistic, it is coming from two het parents. With the blonde, it comes from one or two blonde parents depending on the blonde itself.

OK, my little boy must just have a really light face.

BTW~Sheila and Judie you both have gorgeous gliders! I want to get a mutation one of these days... <img src="/ubbthreads/images/graemlins/heartpump.gif" alt="" />

Ooops! I forgot Seth was out of Fro and Noel and not Lilly. But the point was...two blondes, first generation are able to produce normal color. My guess is....it will take four generations of breeding white faces together till they are able to produce wfblondes 100% of the time.

I tried to keep the Leucestic gene seperated from the decussion as it appears to be totally different.

A wf blonde paired with a normal has a 25% chance of producing a wf offspring the first generation.

With the Leucestic...white parent paired with a normal produces all normal colored babies. This then suggests(I think)that the gene that produces white must be present in both parents in order for us to see the color. Now with these normal looking offspring that were produced from this breeding...I think it depends on how the genes line up as to who will be able to produce white, platninum, mosaic when bred to another glider who also possess the leucestic gene. Guess what I am trying to say...not all of the hets from the first generation will be able to produce a variance in color. Even though this first generation are called Hets...they have yet to prove wither their genetic coding will produce anything but normal color. So, with first generation Hets...there should be a 60% chance that they should be able to produce color when bred to another glider who also has the leucestic gene. Thus...it is necessary to retain as many of the hets produced if possible. On the other hand...40% will not possess the gene to produce white. I think it is the placement of how the genes line up in the code that determines this.

Visiable results are rather slow when breeding gliders as they only produce one or two babies every four or six months. If we were breeding an animal who produces a dozen babies at one time and who could produce six litters a year...progress would be seen much sooner.

Wish someone else who was more experienced with genetics could help us out here. I think I understand how this works...but not sure. <img src="/ubbthreads/images/graemlins/read.gif" alt="" />

I know that this is kinda off topic....but I was just curious as to what the price ranges were for all of these different color variations???

Well, I have done something genetically different. Little Sesamie who is a BEW....has a joey in pouch. Father is Sandman...white face blonde. So, now...if this baby survives to oop. date which is around July 4th or so...baby will more than likely be a het for leucestic or het for white face blonde. It would be interesting to see a white faced blonde produced out of this breeding but do not think it will happen.

Anyway, baby is in the oven....so to speak. <img src="/ubbthreads/images/graemlins/smile.gif" alt="" /> And personally I do not care if the joey comes out Purple or Green or any other color....just so it it healthy! <img src="/ubbthreads/images/graemlins/multi.gif" alt="" /> <img src="/ubbthreads/images/graemlins/multi.gif" alt="" /> <img src="/ubbthreads/images/graemlins/multi.gif" alt="" />

We are all glad about this for Judie's sake. It takes a long time to get these programs going and Sesamie is only 8 months old. She is such a flirt though - calling men out of their cages like some kind of hussy. <img src="/ubbthreads/images/graemlins/thumb.gif" alt="" />