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Question about Lue hets.. #399854
10/17/07 12:31 AM
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I have been considering getting a pair of lue hets to be a breeding pair. I am new to the colors and have just recently got my first glider of color in July and he is my precious WFB.

I would like to get two gliders unrelated of course and be able to help contribute to this gene pool. I have had only greys for the past 10 yrs, and hubby has finally agreed to let me follow this passion! WOOHOO!!! dance

Can some explain the percentage and how that plays in, I have a general idea, but do not understand completly.

So those breeders out there can you please give me your insight on this so I can go about it the right way. Any reccomendations? Thank you so much in advance!


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Re: Question about Lue hets.. [Re: GliderLove] #399947
10/17/07 07:28 AM
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Cindy,
Sorry you haven't gotten a reply to this question yet... Unfortunately, I don't know the answer because the whole color genetics thing is way over my head roflmao Hopefully someone who does know the answer will be along today to answer this for you smile


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Re: Question about Lue hets.. [Re: sugarglidersuz] #399962
10/17/07 08:13 AM
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Sorry you haven't gotten any more information about this... The page that helped me the most when I first started out is http://petsugargliders.com/sgcolor.php. If you scroll about half way down the page, you will find some info about the leu line... I will try to explain this without confusing anyone, lol... If something in my understanding isn't correct, someone please speak up...

Here are the basics of what you will get
basically, if you breed anything with a leu, you get a 100% het
100% + 100% = 66% and leu joeys
100% + 66% = 50-66% possible het joeys
66% + 66% = 50% het possible het joeys
66% + 50% = 33-66% possible het joeys
50% + 50% = 33% het possible het joeys

Now, say your 100/66% pair has a leu joey... the 66% has then been proven to carry the gene, so the 66% possible het is now a 100% het...

My best suggestion is to get either 2 100% hets or a 100% and a 66%, But REALLY look at their lineages before you buy them... The lines are all really close.

Re: Question about Lue hets.. [Re: ] #399978
10/17/07 09:05 AM
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Thanks for explaining that Laura... I always get all confused with it shakehead


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Re: Question about Lue hets.. [Re: sugarglidersuz] #399985
10/17/07 09:15 AM
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I don't have much time right now, because I have to get ready for work, but I would be more than happy to discuss leu genetics and breeding with you smile Just shoot me a PM...

Re: Question about Lue hets.. [Re: ] #400016
10/17/07 10:25 AM
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Laura, thank you that makes sense to me. Leyna, I will PM you today, thanks so much!

I'm just unsure about the best way of going about it is, regarding Lue hets. I want to help broaden the range since it seems they are still fairly close in relation in the gene pool. I am slow at genetics, but I am fast learner!

I just need you Lue breeders expertise! So I am assuming it's better to breed hets together instead of Lue to grey.
Thanks again for your insight on this this!


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& all my fuzzies!
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Re: Question about Lue hets.. [Re: GliderLove] #400109
10/17/07 12:21 PM
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Originally Posted By: GliderLove
I am assuming it's better to breed hets together instead of Lue to grey.


Personally I would say it is better to breed anything to gray- het, leu, possible het... Breeding to a non-leu line, be it white face, gray, black beauty etc, is the only way to truly "breed out". But you cannot produce white babies that way, which is why most people won't even try.

IMO the best pairing is either a 100% het to a 50% or lower het, or a leu to a gray or WF. I say 50% or lower because 66% is only from two 100% hets, and the same as a leu geneticially. A 50% het that is from a 100% het parent and a non-leu line parent would be the best option. I personally chose to get a leu to breed out, since any possible hets are indeed a gamble, and I really wanted to have white versus produce white.

Also, if you want to actually help the lines, it's important to look at the lineage of the joeys you decide to buy very carefully. There are some seriously inbred pairs out there producing some even worse inbred joeys! If you are patient you can find a great pair to set up.


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Re: Question about Lue hets.. [Re: TheGliderPlayroom] #400123
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Helen, thank you! I would like to be able to get some whites, but being able to actually help the Lue line, is what I am most intrested in. I'm in no hurry since I need to know what I am doing first, and exactly what I need.

That's why I have come to you all! Why do people breed Lue to Lue then? It don't make sense to me? dunno

100% het bred with 100% het produces what..more hets, or lues? or both? And how does this breed out the lines? I'm just curious as I have seen these percentages bred before.


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& all my fuzzies!
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Re: Question about Lue hets.. [Re: GliderLove] #400136
10/17/07 12:57 PM
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I personally have no idea why people breed leu to leu. I suppose they want nothing but white... the reasons why only that person would know. I personally would never do it, and consider it irresponsible.

100% het with 100% het produces either white or 66% hets. It does not breed out the lines.

There seem to be two camps of leu breeders; those concerned with the lines and opening the gene pool so we don't have genetic problems popping up, and those who want to produce white at any cost. There's a few that are a little of each, but most people fall into one or the other.


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Re: Question about Lue hets.. [Re: TheGliderPlayroom] #400146
10/17/07 01:11 PM
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That makes sense. I could not figure out why Lue was bred to Lue. I thought that would help the inbreeding some where down the line.

So breeding a Lue to a WF or Grey for example would make their joeys what percent then, 50-66% or less?


Cindy
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Re: Question about Lue hets.. [Re: GliderLove] #400184
10/17/07 02:26 PM
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Leu to gray/wf/anything non-leu lines would have 100% het joeys. The 100% means they absolutely without a doubt carry the gene, and since they would have one leu parent, they will definitely carry the gene.


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Re: Question about Lue hets.. [Re: TheGliderPlayroom] #401715
10/20/07 10:23 AM
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SO if a Lue bred to another colored glider WF for instanceand had joeys they are 100% Het? Hmm. I thought it was less,(50-66%) I keep thinking you need two 100% hets to produce 100% hets, or Lue to 100% het to have a 100% het? OMG..does that make ANY sense?

Two 100% hets would have some hets, and some Lue's correct?I'm sorry if I sound ridiculous, I'm probably making this more difficult to understand then it really it confused


Cindy
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Jae, Ashton, Briannah, Nevaeh & Addy

& all my fuzzies!
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Re: Question about Lue hets.. [Re: GliderLove] #401723
10/20/07 10:48 AM
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A leu breed to ANYTHING will produce a 100% het or a leu.

2 100% hets paired together will produce a leu or a 66% het.

A 100% het paired with anything other than a leu or another 100% het will produce a 50% het...

If a 50% or 66% het produces a leu, it becomes a 100% het.

The %'s are in reference of the probability of that glider carrying the leu gene...

Re: Question about Lue hets.. [Re: ] #402322
10/21/07 08:02 PM
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I"m new to this and trying to learn, so please bear with me. I'm not breeding, but when I'm reading postings I want to know what you guys have.

What does a leu look like? what does a het look like? Mine looks like a normal grey and black with a black face. What is she?

Re: Question about Lue hets.. [Re: ] #402327
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A Lue is all white with black eyes also called (BEW) a het is a standard color glider that carries the gene but does not express it in it's coloring. HTH smile


Cindy
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& all my fuzzies!
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Re: Question about Lue hets.. [Re: GliderLove] #402328
10/21/07 08:17 PM
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Yours sounds like a normal grey, but depending on the amount of black on the face it could be a BB (Black Beauty) smile

Here's a link to the glider colorations..be prepared to OHH and AHH grin http://www.glidercraze.com/colors.html

Last edited by GliderLove; 10/21/07 08:20 PM. Reason: added link

Cindy
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Jae, Ashton, Briannah, Nevaeh & Addy

& all my fuzzies!
Breeder of Leu's, Mosaics, wfb, and standard grey's.
Owner of www.MySugarAddiction.com

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Re: Question about Lue hets.. [Re: GliderLove] #402735
10/22/07 11:47 AM
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My avatar is a picture of Arctic who is a leucistic. It is just alot easier to say Leu or BEW then leucistic!

Het is short for heterozygous and again it is just a lot easier to say Het smile


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