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Please explain "Breeding out the line" #473271
02/09/08 03:17 AM
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What does it mean when we say we are "breeding out" the line?

If I pair my WFB to my WF/poss 50% Lue Het, am I helping breed out the line or does it not really matter in this case...and would their babies then be poss 25% leu het?

Because the majority of the BEW's are related...is it always better to pair (high %) leu het to try and produce a BEW?

and if I take one of the siblings from my pairing and pair it with a BEW would this be an acceptable pairing and could it produce a BEW ???

I have so many more questions but I'll start with these....


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Re: Please explain "Breeding out the line" [Re: CSteele] #473282
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breeding out the line is pairing a leu to a non-leu. the resulting offspring will all be 100% hets, but, you've introduced the new lineage from the non-leu side, helping breed out from the leu lineage.

You'll have 25% hets who can later try to prove out to be 100% hets (and it has happened - my Amira's mom is a leu out of a 25% and 50% possible het pair wink ) If your 25% does prove to be a 100%, then yes, you should get a leu or 2 (which is a great way to breed out the lines)

I currently have a 66% het and a gray; 2 66%'s; a 100% and a 33%. The only ones who have had joeys are the 66% and the gray and I really think that she is a 100% and has passed that on to her 1st son Arian, but, I shall find that out hopefully in the fall wink

Re: Please explain "Breeding out the line" [Re: BeckiT] #473752
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Thanks for the input and GOOD LUCK with Arian!

So then as long as your pairing leu hets together - this will continue to breed out the line and if a BEW is produced then it will be important in the breeding line of BEW's because it is continuing the integrity of the color but not from breeding lines that are too close...am I getting it right?

I have been researching the lineage for both of my babies that will be paired together...the male is a WFB/poss buttercream lion with nothing but WF and lion in his lineage and my little girl is a WF/poss 50% leu het and her lineage is all WF, BEW and leu hets so I believe my joeys will have a high chance of producing mostly WF with some lions (and I'm sure a few normal greys) thrown in. But I would LOVE to take one of the joeys and pair them with a WF/100% leu het just to keep the WF as well smile and hope for a BEW! It doesn't hurt to dream!!!! wink







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Re: Please explain "Breeding out the line" [Re: CSteele] #473763
02/09/08 11:23 PM
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Thank You smile Yes, by breeding the lessor percentages together, or by breeding a leu to a non-leu, you're breeding out the line.

Re: Please explain "Breeding out the line" [Re: CSteele] #473766
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I am so happy you are researching and trying to be a responsible breeder and do what is best for the gliders health-wise by breeding out the line hug2

You are getting it right in terms of trying to produce a BEW from leu hets that are not closely related animals. This is ideal because it sorts of "mixes up the genes," also referred to as "breeding out the line."


Re: Please explain "Breeding out the line" [Re: CSteele] #473800
02/10/08 12:07 AM
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Originally Posted By: CSteele
So then as long as your pairing leu hets together - this will continue to breed out the line and if a BEW is produced then it will be important in the breeding line of BEW's because it is continuing the integrity of the color but not from breeding lines that are too close...am I getting it right?


Almost... if you are pairing low percentage hets, then this helps the lines. Breeding two 100% hets together is NOT breeding out. Breeding a 100% to a low (25% or 33%) het is better, but still not truly breeding out. Breeding OUT, is only by pairing a leu or het to a normal or non-leu lines mate. Breeding out means that you are breeding away from leu, and bringing in fresh bloodlines. Think of it as a flow chart... even two low percentage hets usually have at least one common ancestor. Breeding out literally means getting new bloodlines from outside the flow chart.

Probably the best pairing to produce white is a 100% het to a lower percentage het. That way, you can be positive one carries the gene, and only have to prove one. The best pairings as for the leu lines is two lower percentage hets together, but not many people are willing to do it.


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Re: Please explain "Breeding out the line" [Re: TheGliderPlayroom] #473814
02/10/08 12:30 AM
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So it IS good that my WFB boy has no leu in his background...and I am pairing him with my WFB/poss 50% leu het, right?

So then if I am understanding all I have read there is no chance that I could get a BEW from that pair because - BOTH parents need to carry the gene in order for a BEW to be produced, that being a recessive trait, correct?

I do plan to pair one of their joeys to another WF/leu het...so I should then get a 50% or less to breed them responsibly...and if a BEW is produced from that pair - it will be a good thing for all!!!!!!!

THANK YOU EVERYONE FOR YOUR INPUT...I think I am starting to understand a little better smile


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Re: Please explain "Breeding out the line" [Re: CSteele] #474002
02/10/08 12:21 PM
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That is correct that you cannot get a leu from that pairing. But what you have planned, to get a 25% het and pair to a 100% het, is IMO perfect.


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