Sugar Glider Community Calendar

Please click here to see larger view
Articles
More coming soon!!
Today's Birthdays
countrykitten, danileigh, gliderjoy
Member Spotlight
Feather
Feather
Wisconsin
Posts: 13,660
Joined: January 2008
Show All Member Profiles 
Last 10 Posts
Gliders of the Round Table 9
by Feather. 10/25/20 11:30 PM
Looking for new wheel options
by Ladymagyver. 10/25/20 11:50 AM
Babys mom died, have to hand feed
by Feather. 10/24/20 09:53 PM
Fast Track Wheel Question?
by Ladymagyver. 10/11/20 01:17 PM
Custom Cage Liners Machine Wash & Dry
by gr8pots. 10/11/20 09:37 AM
Underweight gliders
by Feather. 10/09/20 01:12 PM
Dot has a Lump
by Hutch. 10/09/20 12:48 PM
Journey to a 'New Normal' for Dot and Stewie
by Hutch. 10/09/20 12:07 PM
BML Has Been Updated!
by KarenE. 10/09/20 10:30 AM
Google+

Facebook
Join Us On Facebook
Previous Thread
Next Thread
Print Thread
Another Neuter Method? not posted on GC... #570540
06/15/08 02:00 PM
06/15/08 02:00 PM
Joined: May 2008
Posts: 5,997
Upstate, SC
SariYappa Offline OP
Serious Glideritis
SariYappa  Offline OP
Serious Glideritis

Joined: May 2008
Posts: 5,997
Upstate, SC
Hello all.
First of all, this is a question because "I don't know the answer". That said, if this is inhumane in any way, or a very bad idea, please don't take it out on me, just let me know nicely! smile

This is the second time I came across this article about neutering, and I haven't been able to find additonal info on this method. It is an old article, although it was published throught the ISGA. It doesn't seem like the author is in business anymore?? (Glider Gulch). I haven't been able to find the page.

It is about neutering without any invasive surgery. It seems to make sense, and to be a good choice for a glider, but what do I know?? tounge

It's all about tying off between the body, and the testacle sack.

Here is the link to the page I am referring to:
http://www.isga.org/informationcenter/HealthIssues/neutering.htm

If anyone has more info on this, please let me know, or where I can get more info.

Opinions? ... Thanks in advance.


*Whatever I said, I said it with a Smile*

wave Sari

:grey:Sugar:grey:Nibbles:grey:Destiny

Rapid Runner *Sold Out!

Suggie Smart Mart *Home of The Hippie Pouch & Suggie Chandelier
Re: Another Neuter Method? not posted on GC... [Re: SariYappa] #570557
06/15/08 02:37 PM
06/15/08 02:37 PM

G
Giggles
Unregistered
Giggles
Unregistered
G



Everyone will have a different opinion about which procedure is best. Some neuter and leave the sac, others remove the sac, but I think the most important thing is that you have it done by an experienced vet. Infection and self mutilation are both big concerns. My male was neutered before I got him and he still has the sac, but no bald spot. He still scents things, but not as bad as a male that has not been neutered. I think it should be a decision made by you and a professional.

Re: Another Neuter Method? not posted on GC... [Re: SariYappa] #570561
06/15/08 02:41 PM
06/15/08 02:41 PM
Joined: Nov 2004
Posts: 5,968
Northeast Indiana
minkasmom Offline
Serious Glideritis
minkasmom  Offline
Serious Glideritis

Joined: Nov 2004
Posts: 5,968
Northeast Indiana
Personally, I wouldn't use this method on a glider or any other animal.

Despite what the article implies, it must be INCREDIBLY painful to cut off the circulation to a body part llike that. I remember as a child putting a rubber band very tightly around the tip of my pinkie...and it hurt like the DICKENS! To put pain like that in an already sensitive body part? No thanks! I know grampa probably castrated pigs and male cats like that in the "old days" because there wasn't a vet to come out & at least give a numbing shot beforehand (to speak nothing of how expensive a "house call" would've been) but that doesn't make it any more right in my eyes.

Now I know that accidental pom removals do happen, but to do that intentionally just doesn't settle well with me.



Minkasmom (Papillon Kisses)
Slave to:
28 gliders,4 cats,
and ONE husband (can't handle two, lol!)
gangel Remembering all my lost loves cry
Re: Another Neuter Method? not posted on GC... [Re: minkasmom] #570575
06/15/08 03:01 PM
06/15/08 03:01 PM
Joined: Aug 1999
Posts: 7,603
Virginia Beach, VA.
Ellen Offline
Owner:Emeritus-Mother Hen
Ellen  Offline
Owner:Emeritus-Mother Hen

Joined: Aug 1999
Posts: 7,603
Virginia Beach, VA.
The vet's can neuter and leave the Poms on. Much safer.

The other way is painful and a chance of infection or SM is very possible.


Love and kindness is a gift. Use it freely....
My Gallery
Re: Another Neuter Method? not posted on GC... [Re: Ellen] #570596
06/15/08 03:44 PM
06/15/08 03:44 PM
Joined: Mar 2006
Posts: 21,060
Kansas
L
LSardou Offline
Glideritis Anonymous
LSardou  Offline
Glideritis Anonymous
L

Joined: Mar 2006
Posts: 21,060
Kansas
We did have a member who's glider was done this way, the end result was horriable! I will see if I can find the link.

Re: Another Neuter Method? not posted on GC... [Re: Ellen] #570597
06/15/08 03:46 PM
06/15/08 03:46 PM
Joined: May 2008
Posts: 5,997
Upstate, SC
SariYappa Offline OP
Serious Glideritis
SariYappa  Offline OP
Serious Glideritis

Joined: May 2008
Posts: 5,997
Upstate, SC
OK! So now I know why it is not listed as a method, LOL!
I appreciate everyones input.
And just for the sake of saying so, I would NEVER try to neuter my pet without a vet! I just want to do the least invasive method, with the least pain, for my children. And in my book, that means looking into all methods available.

A friendly "Thanks again"!


*Whatever I said, I said it with a Smile*

wave Sari

:grey:Sugar:grey:Nibbles:grey:Destiny

Rapid Runner *Sold Out!

Suggie Smart Mart *Home of The Hippie Pouch & Suggie Chandelier
Re: Another Neuter Method? not posted on GC... [Re: SariYappa] #570600
06/15/08 03:48 PM
06/15/08 03:48 PM
Joined: Mar 2006
Posts: 21,060
Kansas
L
LSardou Offline
Glideritis Anonymous
LSardou  Offline
Glideritis Anonymous
L

Joined: Mar 2006
Posts: 21,060
Kansas
hug2 We knew that! grin

Re: Another Neuter Method? not posted on GC... [Re: LSardou] #570601
06/15/08 04:00 PM
06/15/08 04:00 PM

M
Mio
Unregistered
Mio
Unregistered
M



I'm curious as to what happened to the other glider. Whatever the case, wouldn't want to try something that wasn't up to my standards of safety for my babies. I say if you're going to experiment, do it on someone who has a choice in the matter. thumb

Re: Another Neuter Method? not posted on GC... [Re: ] #570630
06/15/08 05:22 PM
06/15/08 05:22 PM
Joined: Mar 2002
Posts: 19,742
in my happy place
S
sugarlope Offline
Glideritis Anonymous
sugarlope  Offline
Glideritis Anonymous
S

Joined: Mar 2002
Posts: 19,742
in my happy place
If the scrotal sac is not tied off properly (i.e. Vet ) then the scrotum can swell, become infected and necrotic (again, not to mention the incredible pain involved with all above). frown


~Gretchen

If we never loved, then maybe we would never feel pain. Love anyway. It's worth it.
Re: Another Neuter Method? not posted on GC... [Re: sugarlope] #570646
06/15/08 05:45 PM
06/15/08 05:45 PM

M
Mio
Unregistered
Mio
Unregistered
M



cry That's horrible! Poor babies....

Re: Another Neuter Method? not posted on GC... [Re: ] #570657
06/15/08 06:03 PM
06/15/08 06:03 PM

R
rob
Unregistered
rob
Unregistered
R



Another thing about this method is that it is illegal in the United States. Due to the pain and suffering it causes the animal. If the goverment thinks its cruel for a big bull just imagine our poor babies.

Re: Another Neuter Method? not posted on GC... [Re: ] #570664
06/15/08 06:10 PM
06/15/08 06:10 PM
Joined: May 2008
Posts: 5,997
Upstate, SC
SariYappa Offline OP
Serious Glideritis
SariYappa  Offline OP
Serious Glideritis

Joined: May 2008
Posts: 5,997
Upstate, SC
This is such good info, I wonder why it is not readily available (or easy to find) on the internet? Or maybe it is just an old story by now, and I'm new at this?


*Whatever I said, I said it with a Smile*

wave Sari

:grey:Sugar:grey:Nibbles:grey:Destiny

Rapid Runner *Sold Out!

Suggie Smart Mart *Home of The Hippie Pouch & Suggie Chandelier
Re: Another Neuter Method? not posted on GC... [Re: SariYappa] #570704
06/15/08 07:29 PM
06/15/08 07:29 PM
Joined: Jan 2008
Posts: 13,661
Wisconsin
Feather Online sleep
Administrator
Feather  Online Sleep
Administrator

Joined: Jan 2008
Posts: 13,661
Wisconsin
This is a very cruel way of neutering any animal. Not to mention that if both testes are not in the sack at the time of neutering it will be left in the body, therefore still manufacturing testosterone.

To my knowledge they never castrated pigs this way, but is was (I don't know if it is still used) an accepable way to castrate sheep and cattle.

But this method should never be used on a cat, dog, or other small mammal much less a sugar glider. They are much to delicate to handle the shock it gives their system.


Kimberley
Feathers-Sweetie, Mister Peanut & Big Mack
Fur-Guinan, Mr. Spock, T'Mir, Cho, Toothless, Maverick & Maharet :bb: T'Pol, Elizabeth & Curzon :wfb: TY, TJ, Light Fury, Madison & T'Pring :rtmo:
Forever in my heart, Gizmo, Tucker, Khayman and the rest of my babies over the :rbridge:

Re: Another Neuter Method? not posted on GC... [Re: Feather] #570735
06/15/08 08:29 PM
06/15/08 08:29 PM
Joined: Jun 2007
Posts: 3,420
Twin Cities, MN
cinnamonstix Offline
Glider Addict
cinnamonstix  Offline
Glider Addict

Joined: Jun 2007
Posts: 3,420
Twin Cities, MN
I see SM being a huge risk. HUGE. As for least invasive if you have a vet that does lazer and you can afford it that is always the #1 reccomended. My boys all had pom off neuters and did fine, as with any neuter you just need to be tuned into your little buddy and watch over him with a hawk eye for a few days just in case there is a problem. Pain meds should always be given, they really save a lot of lives.


~GWEN~
Crazy Hubby Dru
Tortoise: Vork
Cats: Scooby, Swiper, Zero, Dinah & Sykes
Suggies: Meeko, Willow & Nemo; Rei, Rafiki & Rajah; Opal, Lily & Link; Tael, Tatl & Navi; Kristoff Krabbs & Crabby Patty
:rbridge: Fern, Cjarsa, Syfka, Icarus, Ivy, Howie & Gracie

www.cinnamonstix-n-sugar.com
Re: Another Neuter Method? not posted on GC... [Re: cinnamonstix] #570796
06/15/08 10:37 PM
06/15/08 10:37 PM
Joined: May 2008
Posts: 5,997
Upstate, SC
SariYappa Offline OP
Serious Glideritis
SariYappa  Offline OP
Serious Glideritis

Joined: May 2008
Posts: 5,997
Upstate, SC
So, I guess I now know why I can't find this breeder on-line anymore either. I'm guessing she's not doing this anymore... At least I really hope so...

Now, I just have to decide, Poms on, or Poms off... Hmmmmm...


*Whatever I said, I said it with a Smile*

wave Sari

:grey:Sugar:grey:Nibbles:grey:Destiny

Rapid Runner *Sold Out!

Suggie Smart Mart *Home of The Hippie Pouch & Suggie Chandelier
Re: Another Neuter Method? not posted on GC... [Re: SariYappa] #570803
06/15/08 10:56 PM
06/15/08 10:56 PM
Joined: Jul 2007
Posts: 563
Lynchburg, VA
B
blockamon Offline
Glider Lover
blockamon  Offline
Glider Lover
B

Joined: Jul 2007
Posts: 563
Lynchburg, VA
I know most members will advocate one or the other, but I personally think that pom on vs. off is set by the vet. If you can find an experienced vet in your area who can do both, then pom on is probably the way to go. However, IMO the vet's experience is more important than the method.

Re: Another Neuter Method? not posted on GC... [Re: ] #570917
06/16/08 07:17 AM
06/16/08 07:17 AM
Joined: Nov 2003
Posts: 6,894
NW Missouri
princessmegi Offline
Serious Glideritis
princessmegi  Offline
Serious Glideritis

Joined: Nov 2003
Posts: 6,894
NW Missouri
Originally Posted By: rob
Another thing about this method is that it is illegal in the United States. Due to the pain and suffering it causes the animal. If the goverment thinks its cruel for a big bull just imagine our poor babies.


Can you tell me where you got this information?



"My doctrine is this: that if we see cruelty or wrong that we have the power to stop, and we do nothing, we make ourselves sharers in the guilt." ~ Anna Sewell, English Novelist
Re: Another Neuter Method? not posted on GC... [Re: princessmegi] #570953
06/16/08 09:31 AM
06/16/08 09:31 AM
Joined: Sep 2006
Posts: 235
Ohio
gryphon214 Offline
Glider Explorer
gryphon214  Offline
Glider Explorer

Joined: Sep 2006
Posts: 235
Ohio
Here's the link about the member whose glider was neutered using this method. When the glider was purchased the member was unaware that this method was used but it soon became clear. Ultimatly the glider had to go back in for a proper neuter.

http://www.glidercentral.net/ubbthreads/ubbthreads.php?ubb=showflat&Number=512140#Post512140


Moderated by  Feather, KarenE, Ladymagyver 

Sugar Glider Help Page



Please click above to see how you can help!!

Moon
CURRENT MOON
Who's Online Now
3 registered members (Feather, KarenE, Hutch), 26 guests, and 124 spiders.
Key: , , Owner, Admin
Newest Members
lithropanic, Jaime, Tammy689, JBraun87, Lazystreetboi
7170 Registered Users
Forum Statistics
Forums132
Topics10,122
Posts157,791
posts in the last 24hrs0
Members7,171
Most Online2,693
Jan 2nd, 2020
Last 10 New Topics
Babys mom died, have to hand feed
by Anonymous. 10/24/20 08:38 PM
Looking for new wheel options
by Shalena. 10/23/20 06:01 PM
Fast Track Wheel Question?
by meganjoy12. 10/10/20 08:44 PM
BML Has Been Updated!
by Feather. 10/08/20 11:34 AM
Underweight gliders
by Cloud. 10/06/20 11:29 PM
Blood donor
by Big_pongo. 09/24/20 02:12 AM
2021 Sugar Glider Calendar and Cafe Press Store
by theresaw. 08/26/20 10:35 PM
Dot has a Lump
by Ladymagyver. 08/25/20 08:46 PM
Journey to a 'New Normal' for Dot and Stewie
by Ladymagyver. 05/31/20 10:29 AM
Popular Topics(Views)
808,803 TEXAS
643,817 OHIO
450,229 OKLAHOMA
399,347 UTAH
293,768 NORTH CAROLINA
Supported Browser
This site was tested and is best viewed in Google Chrome & Mozilla FireFox



Firefox 3

Download your copy today!!!
Home Forums Links Sitemap Vets Breeders Sounds Contact Us Names Rules & Policies

GliderCENTRAL
©1998-2020
Powered by UBB.threads™ PHP Forum Software
(Release build 20180918)
Page Time: 0.038s Queries: 14 (0.009s) Memory: 1.3939 MB (Peak: 1.6462 MB) Zlib enabled. Server Time: 2020-10-26 04:50:46 UTC