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Re: Question about glue [Re: ] #653987
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I wouldn't rely on what they said the government used during the Vietnam War.....they also used Agent Orange....


I certainly don't argue that one at all.

So, house hold superglue is toxic due to the formahyde break down. What about the surgical type?


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nope ............its not the same compound

Re: Question about glue [Re: Dancing] #653993
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http://www.glidercentral.net/ubbthreads/ubbthreads.php/ubb/showflat/Number/569097/Searchpage/1/Main/55634/Words/%2Bsuper+%2Bglue/Search/true/Tape_or_glue_okay#Post569097

http://www.glidercentral.net/ubbthreads/ubbthreads.php/ubb/showflat/Number/533195/Searchpage/1/Main/51926/Words/%2Bsuper+%2Bglue/Search/true/Re_Questions_relating_surgical#Post533195


These are both examples where super glue was questioned in the past.


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Re: Question about glue [Re: Dancing] #653995
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<shrug> Im not even gonna look let me ask you this Teresa........what do YOU want to do with super glue & a sugar glider? or is this just a hypothetical question?

Re: Question about glue [Re: Dancing] #653996
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So again I ask, would the surgical type be safe to use on toys?


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Re: Question about glue [Re: ] #653999
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Why would you want to use glue in toys? What kind of toy needs glue?


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Re: Question about glue [Re: Dancing] #654000
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I have some toys in mind involving some of the large wiffle balls. I've not made one (with super glue or surgical glue either) but wanted to ask about it to see if it would be safe or not.


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Re: Question about glue [Re: Dancing] #654001
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I, personally would NOT use or trust anything not intended for animals... more specifically sugargliders....

Chocolate is safe for humans but poisonous to many animal species... An FDA approval doesn't matter when it comes to animals...
That's just my opinion...


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Re: Question about glue [Re: Dancing] #654002
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and so then I will ask of you, again. What toy is so important to YOU that you would even think of risking a gliders life that you would come here and ask peoples opinions, and not take the scientists quotes as word enough?

Re: Question about glue [Re: Dancing] #654004
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Surgical glue is created to hold TISSUE together - not plastic, acrylic or metal or any other substance used in toys. Correct?

It is simply not worth the risk - at least not in my home, not with my babies. Let's all remember that toothpaste is SAFE to put in our own mouths, but is not safe to injest. Period. That is why there is a warning on toothpaste packaging. So, the reasoning that something that is safe for use ON the body is safe to be injested does not hold up.

I would think, also, that if you were planning to vend these toys, you would not get many sales given as how you have created a huge topic about it and allowed many to see that you are argueing in favor of something that is not proven safe. If you were planning to make toys with glue and put them in your own cages, then you KNOW, Teresa, that when you have another questionable death in your home, you will be questioned about your toys and the glue - unless this time you were to get a necropsy.
So, it would seem to me that it would be in your best interest, T, to drop the subject.

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Re: Question about glue [Re: ] #654005
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So, why would you use glue? Why not weld them?


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Re: Question about glue [Re: ] #654007
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ok fair enough...........I am by no means ANY expert on ANYTHING but I would say NO NO NO and In YOUR heart your saying no no no....you knew the answer before you asked the question

Re: Question about glue [Re: ] #654009
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With the wiffle balls, IF the surgical glue is safe, then I would buy some and test it here as far as how it will hold up to washings and such. Currently I use a ton of zip ties and stainless steel rings to make my toys and it works. But with the new idea I have been toying with, the glue would be easier IF IT WERE SAFE.


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Re: Question about glue [Re: ] #654010
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As a wise friend of mine said...

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Now, if you'll excuse me - I have some toothpaste drying on toys in the other room. I figure it is safe to use on toys since it is safe to put in my mouth. Pay no attention to the warning on the toothpaste packaging that says to call poison control if ingested.


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Re: Question about glue [Re: Dancing] #654011
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Why not weld them?


How would I weld them? I'm not trying to be sarcastic, I've just not heard of welding plastic.


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Re: Question about glue [Re: Srlb] #654012
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Im still gonna say why risk it? its just not worth it when you have so many other options that you already know are safe for your gliders. There is NO TESTING ever worth a gliders life.....RIGHT?

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Honestly, if I wasn't concerned about glider safety, I wouldn't be asking.

And for the toy I have in mind, like I said, the glue (SURGICAL IF SAFE) would work well. IF it is safe, the testing would be for durablity and not in the glider's cages until I was sure it would hold up and BE safe. But I am interested in this "welding" thing. How would I do that?


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Re: Question about glue [Re: Dancing] #654014
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I would get a soldering iron & melt the plastic together - my ex husband used to use something to plastic-weld the plastic pieces on his dirt bikes dunno

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Im thinkin you couldn't weld plastic ....... but could you use a soldering gun and melt the plastic balls together?

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LOL Great minds think alike Gina LOLOLOL

Re: Question about glue [Re: ] #654018
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Just like welding metal, you heat it and melt it together. It can also be done chemically, but that puts us right back at the start of this discussion.


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Re: Question about glue [Re: ] #654019
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Thank you Gina. I'll try the soldering iron idea.


Thank you too Shawna, we were posting at the same time.

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OH well your welcome anyway Teresa

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Both glues are to some degree toxic if ingested. So says the labels on the product. If ingested seek medical attention immediately. Not to mention that they are not intended to be consumed and have proven to be absorbed into the system and passed into the urine for BOTH types of glue.

It would be something to use at your own risk. The long term effects have not been studied. Only the one-time exposures. And in large quantities some animals did die like you stated before.


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Re: Question about glue [Re: MatchMakerMagic] #654067
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Seems like there are several great minds here.

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Re: Question about glue [Re: USMom] #654081
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Ok,I was doing some more reading just for curiosity sake and found some interesting information.

It seems that the concern with the super glue stated here is it breaking down to formaldehyde.

Well, some interesting info on formaldehyde (check this on wikipedia).

Formaldehyde is a antibacterial that kills most bacteria and their spores.

It also is used as a preservative in vaccines. And in things like the meds that remove warts.

Formaldehyde is used as a wet-strenth resin in sanitary paper products (facial tissue, table napkins, and roll towels) so this means every time we blow our noses we are exposing ourselfs to formaldehyde. It is used in the manufacturing of plywood and househould carpet.

The fabric industry uses formaldehyde in crease resistant fabrics.

It is also used in some shampoo products.

Also, the human body naturally produces formaldehyde.

Pretty interesting reading!


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Obviously you have already made up your mind that super glue is okay so why keep asking for opinions when your not going to listen to them? I think you have been provided some very good advice already. I personally will not be exposing my gliders to a substance that may or may not be toxic to them.

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I conceeded that the household type of super glue would be considered unsafe but NO one has given any reason why the surgical glue is unsafe to use other than it might not be durable. Well if it can be tested for durablility and proves to be durable, then why would it be unsafe to use SURGICAL glue to make toys?

If it is safe for them to injest while grooming themselves post neuter, then why would the surgical type be unsafe for toy making?


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Re: Question about glue [Re: Dancing] #654100
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Originally Posted By: Dancing
the glue would be easier


Theres no proof that it IS safe, so it isn't worth the risk. Just because something might be easier, it isnt safer. IF theres other safe ways, it isnt even worth trying. I wouldn't personally EVER try it.

And anyone can edit Wiki, it isnt a 100% reliable source. Also..Gliders dont get vaccines, nor do they need wart removal. (And that stuff you can ONLY USE on the wart, and they make it very clear that it can cause permanent skin damage on people.) Gliders also dont use tiolet paper, or shampoo. We risk ourselves to all sorts of things, but it isnt worth doing it to our pets.

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I think the topic is no longer about using household super glue. I think the question is now if its safe to use surgical glue on neuters where the glider grooms and can digest why can't surgical glue be safe on toys?? Maybe in an area where gliders couldn't get to easily??


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