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50% leu het #660698
10/22/08 06:02 PM
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What does leu het really means?

So if I have a WFB that is 50% leu het, and then I pair him with a normal female or another 50%leu het.

What will the offspring be?

And How Do You REALLY Know If It's A Leu Het or NOT?

Thanks, I'm a little confused

Re: 50% leu het [Re: ] #660702
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One of the color breeding aficionados will be along to help you soon, I hope... In the meantime, check out Pet Sugar Gliders' article on Color Breeding thumb


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Re: 50% leu het [Re: ] #660707
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Het means they carry a specific gene without expressing it. The percent means the chance they are a Het (they are carrying that gene).

So there is about a 50% chance that your WFB is carrying the gene for leucism. If he is carrying the gene, when paired with a leucistic glider or another glider that is also carrying the gene, he will be able to produce leucistic joeys. But there is an equal chance that he is not.

I will leave the percentages of offspring up to someone else, but with the pairings, you would get all normals or WF/WFB with the pairing of WFB 50% leu het and normal (the would have some percentage of het, but I don't know what that would be). With the pairing of your boy and another 50% leu het you may get normals, WF/WFBs and *possibly* leus (which would prove out both of the 50% leu hets to be 100% leu hets). Again the non leus would be some % of leu het, but I don't know what that would be, I will let someone with more experience explain it.

The only way you can be SURE that you have a leu het is by having leu offspring. thumb


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Re: 50% leu het [Re: sugarlope] #660726
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If you pair a 50% leu het with a normal the babies will be 25% leu hets. Which means they have a 25% possibility of carrying the leu gene.

If you paired your 50% leu het with a 100% leu het or a leu and they had a leu baby then you would have proved out your 50% leu het to a 100% leu het. Because they produced a leu you now know they carry the leu gene. If they never had a leu baby then the 50% het does not carry the gene.

If pairing two 50% leu hets together you might not be able to prove one or the other out ever. If one doesn't carry the gene you will never get a leu baby. The only way is if they happen to both carry the leu gene. If they did then they would be considered 100% hets now.

Hop that sort of made sence.


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Re: 50% leu het [Re: jkaradeema] #660731
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The last don't really make sense to me.

so if I have a pair of 50% leu het and somehow they have a white baby, does that mean I've proved them (the male and female) to be 100%?

or they just have normal babies would that mean the babies are 50% leu het or none?

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50% + 50% = 33% possible het joeys
If the 50%'s have a leucistic joey, they'd then be proven 100% hets, and any non-leu joeys would be 66% hets

50% + gray = 25% possible het joeys

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Originally Posted By: Catlover

so if I have a pair of 50% leu het and somehow they have a white baby, does that mean I've proved them (the male and female) to be 100%?
Yes, if they throw a white baby, you would have proven them both

or they just have normal babies would that mean the babies are 50% leu het or none?
That would mean that either one or the other does not carry the gene or that both do not carry the gene.

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Re: 50% leu het [Re: ] #660738
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Originally Posted By: Catlover


so if I have a pair of 50% leu het and somehow they have a white baby, does that mean I've proved them (the male and female) to be 100%?



That is right. If they had a leu baby you would have proved them both out. Both gliders must carry the gene to have a leu baby.


If they never had a leu baby, I think the babies would still be considered 25% possible leu hets, maybe even a little more of a percentage, like 33%. Not exactly sure on that one.


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ok. I get it now thanks. lol

Re: 50% leu het [Re: ] #660740
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When 2 Possible 50% Leucistics produce a BEW then the parents are both Proven 100% Leu Hets.

Th offspring from two 100% Leu Hets paired together will be either a BEW (1 BEW out of every four offspring) and Possible 66% Het for Leu (three out of four babies will be carriers of the Leucistic Gene).

Re: 50% leu het [Re: jkaradeema] #660750
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Originally Posted By: jkaradeema
If they never had a leu baby, I think the babies would still be considered 25% possible leu hets, maybe even a little more of a percentage, like 33%. Not exactly sure on that one.


In that situation, the babies would be considered 25% hets. Although both 50% hets would have to be hets to produce white, NOT producing white does not disprove both parents. One parent may still be carrying and possibly passing down the gene.


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Re: 50% leu het [Re: TheGliderPlayroom] #660752
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What if I mix a 50% leu het with a cinnie?

Re: 50% leu het [Re: ] #660768
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Possible 50% Leu with a cinnamon... offspring would be considered Possible 25% Leu Hets.

My suggestion to anyone who is wanting to prove out a pair of Hets is to breed a lower percentage Het to a 100%. This is so one at least knows which one is a carrier of the gene you are breeding for.


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