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HPW Head Spinning, need clarification #712389
01/11/09 02:46 PM
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I have been reading all different posts about the HPW diet. I'm a little confused. Is this the right recipe?

2 cups warm water
1-1/2 cup honey
3 scrambled eggs
1/4c High Protein Wombaroo Powder
2 tablespoons bee pollen

Scramble eggs in microwave set aside.

In large bowl mix water and honey. Stir until honey is dissolved.
Add in HPW powder, mix well.

In blender add in eggs, bee pollen and 1/2 to 1 cup of HPW liquid ***How do you know how much, 1/2 cup is a big difference??
Blend for two minutes.
Add in additional liquid and blend for another two minutes. ***Is this the other 1/2 cup??

Pour into a freezer safe bowl with an airtight lid. Keep in freezer. Will freeze to consistancy of ice cream.

Feeding instructions.

1-1/2 teaspoons of HPW per glider
1 TABLEspoon of mixed fruits
1 TABLEspoon of mixed veggies
mealies for treats

***Is the list of mixed fruits/veggies the same as BML or is there more of a variety?
***Also, is Gliderade necessary? And what is it's function.
***Lastly...would you not use Rep-Cal Calcium and the vitamins with HPW? Isn't this necessary?


I'm sure this topic has been beaten like a dead horse but my gliders just don't seem to dig the BML anymore...I even tried to mix it with the fruits and veggies in different ways.


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Re: HPW Head Spinning, need clarification [Re: BindiAndScrubbie] #712395
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It doesn't matter how much of the liquid you put in with the first blending. It all gets blended in the end. I usually put half of what I have in the bowl.

You can feed any veggies and fruits you want. You should try to keep the calcium to phosphorus ratio in mind. Good luck getting them to eat fruit with this diet - mine don't.

Glideraid is unneccessary. It is a treat and has no function as far as I can tell if your gliders are on a good diet.

The HPW has all the vitamins you need in it. No other vitamin supplement is neccessary or should be used. Too much vitamins is no good either.


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Re: HPW Head Spinning, need clarification [Re: BindiAndScrubbie] #712408
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Im not the expert on this as i just made my first batch of HPW yesterday but when you add the inital liquid to the egg and bee pollen it is simply to give it some liquid base so it blends up a little better, the exact amount is not really signifigant as long as it all blends smoothly. Also, Yes, the "additonal liquid" is the rest of the HPW/honey/water mixture.

As far as fruits and veggies, im still trying to understand myself, but you need to make sure the calcium:phosphorous ratios are 2:1. There are links to lists of fruits and veggies that tell you the ca:ph ratio that im sure someone can link you too. What seems to be popular is collard greens, papya, cantalope, honey dew, green beans, corn, peas, grapes..

You do not need any additonal suppliments with HPW though, so you wouldn't need rep-cal. Im enitrely unfamiliar with gliderade though.

Anyone who is more experienced then me feel free to correct anything i just said smile.

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I use this HPW diet from Karen (sugeebaby)@ the pampered glider, where I also get the bee pollen & wombaroo.
2 tblsps. raw bee pollen
2 cups very warm water
1 1/2 cups honey
3 scrambled eggs
1/2 cup high protein Wombaroo powder
blend bee pollen & water
add honey & blend well
add eggs & blend for 1 minute
add wombaroo & blend another minute
store in air tight freezer container
(it will be like ice cream)
feed 1 tsp. per glider or 1 tblsp for adult pair
also offer fruits & veggies from the list of safe ones
NEVER FEED ONION GARLIC LIMA BEANS OR RHUBARB THEY ARE TOXIC
I have lists of safe fruits & veggies if you'd like them. HPW is a complete diet, so you don't need to add other vitamins, gliderade or supplements. Just the various fruits & veggies which are not limited to the BML ones (more variety). I do serve yogurt (mine love the fruit flavors of regular(not fat free or light) like peach, orange, mango, raspberry, blueberry, etc, mealies & applesauce as treats a few times a week. Hope this helps! thumb


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Lynn - you are using too much Wombaroo powder. The recipe as developed calls for 1/4c. I use 1/3 cup for my nursing females, and also increase the amount to about 2 teaspoons, rather than 1 1/2.


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Re: HPW Head Spinning, need clarification [Re: ValkyrieMome] #712455
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Copied from another post:

What I do is this:

These are all frozen: A LARGE bag of green beans, a large but smaller bag of baby carrots, a small bag of peas and a small bag of corn. There are other things you can mix in. I found a bag of greenbeans / wax beans / baby carrots which worked well. Also a bag or two of chopped collard greens. (I use roughly equal to the size of the bag of green beans.) Then one LARGE, fresh sweet potato.

Additional ingredients: a jar of unsweetened apple sauce, a smallish sized papaya.

Cook the sweet potato in the microwave until it is quite soft. Then peel it and mash it with a fork into the mixing bowl. Put the bag of collard greens (poke a hole or two) in the microwave for about 4 minutes. You can do these things the day before - which is usually when I get everything out and set it on the counter to defrost.

Cut, peel, and de-seed the papaya and mash it, also.

In the food processor, chop up the green beans and carrots until they are in small (about the same size of the peas) chunks. Put all that into a large mixing bowl. Stir in the collard greens and the now-mashed sweet potato and papaya. Add the whole jar of apple sauce and stir well.

When that is well mixed, if it is too dry to stir well, add some fruit juice. I use either cranberry juice, or the Gerber juice with yogurt. I usually don't have to use much at all, if any.

Put a small amount of peas and corn into the bottom of ice cube trays. I kinda cover the bottom of each cube. I use 4-6 peas, and 4-6 pieces of corn.

Then, press the mixed up veggies in on top. I really pack 'em in tight - get as much as I can in each cube. Then - freeze 'em!

Sometimes I also stir in some blueberries or cherries. A few times I've added some mashed avocado to the mix. You can really add whatever you like - within reason!

Once the cubes are frozen, I run warm water across the back of the ice cube trays, then pop the cubes into a zip lock freezer bag. I take out the correct amount each night and microwave them for a short period of time, on low power. Enough so that they are still icy, but start to be a bit mushy.

This writes up very long, and sounds complex. But the whole thing takes me about 1/2 an hour once a month for 17 gliders.

I give each pair of gliders one and 1/2 cubes. That's the amount that I've found that they will eat with very few left overs. More, they leave too much. Less, they polish the bowl clean, and I'm afraid they didn't get enough.


Alden
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Re: HPW Head Spinning, need clarification [Re: ValkyrieMome] #712462
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Thanks Alden! That is how it was sent to me, but I will adjust it.


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Re: HPW Head Spinning, need clarification [Re: gliderma] #712525
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Re: HPW Head Spinning, need clarification [Re: BindiAndScrubbie] #712540
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Originally Posted By: BindiAndScrubbie
I have been reading all different posts about the HPW diet. I'm a little confused. Is this the right recipe?


Yes thats the recipe I've got except mine has this at the end:

"mealies for treats
I also offer mine gliderade twice a week with the rest of their meal.

(if you have a breeding pair or nursing female increase the amount of HPW powder to 1/2cup)"


Originally Posted By: BindiAndScrubbie
In blender add in eggs, bee pollen and 1/2 to 1 cup of HPW liquid ***How do you know how much, 1/2 cup is a big difference??

I add cup though I dont think it matters, Im pretty sure this part of the recipe's liquid is just to keep the eggs/pollen moving so it blends. smile


Originally Posted By: BindiAndScrubbie
Add in additional liquid and blend for another two minutes. ***Is this the other 1/2 cup??

Here I just add the rest of the liquid in, then start blending.

Originally Posted By: BindiAndScrubbie
Feeding instructions.

1-1/2 teaspoons of HPW per glider
1 TABLEspoon of mixed fruits
1 TABLEspoon of mixed veggies
mealies for treats

When I first switched to HPW I was particularly confused about this part. The 1 1/2 teaspoon part. But its easy enough once you start to feed it and get used to it. I actually scoop mine out with a tablespoon since I feed mostly pairs.

Originally Posted By: BindiAndScrubbie
***Is the list of mixed fruits/veggies the same as BML or is there more of a variety?
***Also, is Gliderade necessary? And what is it's function.
***Lastly...would you not use Rep-Cal Calcium and the vitamins with HPW? Isn't this necessary?

The list of fruits/veggies IS different from BML because BML is limited to only certain ones. With HPW you do have that freedom of a larger variety, but like its been said you'll want to keep an eye on the ca:ph ratios with this diet as they aren't pre-figured for you.

I feed my gliders once a week the Gliderade, it has alot of vitamins/minerals in it and is nectar based (so the package says). It is not required though.

Rep-Cal and the Herptivite are not used with this diet. The nutrients come from the ingredients/fruits/veggies alone.


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Re: HPW Head Spinning, need clarification [Re: gliderma] #712550
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So basically if I do the recipe just like the one Lynn does (change to 1/4 cup) Then I'm good to go with that....

I never have a problem with the fruits and veggies and they seem to be very picky with the fruits. So I stick with what I know they like. So could I continue the following along with the HPW?

I decided to take a picture to make sure I am not overfeeding the fruit/veggie portion. Does this look like too many fruits and veggies for two gliders under 6 months oop? Now I am starting to think that is why they don't eat BML...They go for the fruit/veggie bowl firsts so maybe they are too full for BML?

Along with the pic, here is the portion sizes: (And the dishes are just over 1/2 inch deep)

*Regular frozen mixed veggies About 4 to six of each (corn, carrots, peas, green beans)

*Two quartered frozen cherries, 6 frozen blueberries, and 6 pea sized cantalope.

THANKS EVERYONE!

Oh and yes Kinue, I forgot I feed Mealies in the AM


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Re: HPW Head Spinning, need clarification [Re: BindiAndScrubbie] #712557
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Looks ok to me! I use the gerber graduates dishes for mine. I'm recycling and they are free with the babies in the house!


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Re: HPW Head Spinning, need clarification [Re: gliderma] #712566
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So then it must be that they just don't like the BML anymore. Guess I'll start odering Bee Pollen and Wombaroo Powder! Kinda bummed...I just mixed a double batch two nights ago for these two.


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Davie... do you need a home for your pre-mixed BML since you are going to try HPW? I can't get the additives yet and I want to try the BML diet. I can take it off your hands if you are willing to part withit... maybe we could meet halfway since gas is so expensive??


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Re: HPW Head Spinning, need clarification [Re: BindiAndScrubbie] #713391
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HPW diet first batch done 2 days ago, this post is a good place for informtions about fruits and veggies.

I have a question about Collard Green. Is it the same as cabbage or is it very different? Can I use Cabbage instead of Collard Green, cause I can't find it here confused

Cabbage
Collard Green

Approximately how many mealworms did you give per night/per glider?

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Collard Greens are much different than Cabbage.

You could use turnip greens instead of collard greens.

I use the collard greens because it has a VERY high calcium:phosphorus ratio - as does the papaya. The corn and peas have a very LOW ratio, so the collard greens off-set. Mustard Greens, or perhaps beet greens? would have the same results, but not cabbage.



FOOD Ca:P Ratio
Over 3.00:1
collard greens 14.5:1
mustard spinach 7.52:1
papaya 4.80:1
turnip greens 4.42:1
beet greens 2.98:1

dried figs 2.10:1
spinach 2.02:1
green cabbage 2.00:1


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Did you find these bag in supermarket, like Walmart?
Cause I didn't check in Walmart for Collard Green bag. Maybe there, I hope. I didn't find the translation in French for Collard Green confused

Collard Green is in the same veggie family as Cabbage I thinck?


Originally Posted By: Dominic8

Also, approximately how many mealworms did you give per night/per glider?

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Hmmm. I don't know about Collard Greens in French! I get mine in the frozen vegetable section of the grocery store. They have bags or boxes of frozen chopped spinach, chopped mustard greens, and chopped collard greens.
http://www.njboxers.com/calphos.htm

I feed about 3-5 mealworms to each glider per night. More to pregnant and nursing females.


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I get my greens pre washed & chopped in the produce section with all the bagged salads.


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what about Kale as a leafy green?

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I fretted over the amounts to give the gliders for months. Most of the time they would leave over half of everything. I hated wasting food, so I started to cut back on the quantities to see just how much they do eat. When I got the dishes figured out to what they would actually consume in a night, I went by that, plus just a bit extra. When that bit extra was consumed, I added a bit more. They don't waste much of anything now and all of them are fat, sassy, and healthy. I also keep a dish of dry stuff in the cage just in case they are still hungry. My one glider really loves the dry stuff, and will tear into it first. As long as there is still a tiny bit of HPW left in the bowl, I feel I'm giving them plenty.

If they won't eat it, there is no good to come out of all the fretting about ratios and quantities. Just feed them what you know won't hurt them, and they'll let you know if it was enough.


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The thing to remember with the dark leafy greens is they are high in iron (and papaya in Vit C) which can offset the absorbtion of other important nutrients in the diet. Its important to research not only the ca:ph ratio's but the ENTIRE make up of each veggie/fruit you plan to offer.


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I found Collards, I'm so HAPPY HAPPY!!!!
Tomorrow, I will start switching to HPW. Tank you a lot!!


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Cabbage ---> Chou

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How many mealies should be given at a time on the HPW diet?

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I have a hard time finding collard greens too. It's a hit or miss thing for me. I think they're more popular in the South. lol


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Re: HPW Head Spinning, need clarification [Re: Suggiegramma] #736094
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Schnucks usually has wonderful greens in the produce dept

I feed to my dragons too

Some walmart stores carry big bags of mustard and collard greens in the produce section too

Re: HPW Head Spinning, need clarification [Re: sandbat] #736101
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Originally Posted By: sandbat
How many mealies should be given at a time on the HPW diet?

There was never a set amount listed. Mealies are not really part of the diet - but rather a supplementation and/or treat - I believe?

I give my gliders 3-4 a night. My pregnant/nursing moms get about twice that.


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Re: HPW Head Spinning, need clarification [Re: ValkyrieMome] #736111
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The instructions i got with my hpw say to use 1/2 cup powder for breeding females. It has been said 1/3 on here which is right? Am i giving my too much?

Re: HPW Head Spinning, need clarification [Re: ValkyrieMome] #736112
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is it normal for my babies to not drink alot of water now that i have switched them to the HPW? and also since i started giving them corn and green beans they wont eat there apples not any fruit i put in there. but i also find HPW left over in the dish in the morning. can someone help me tell me what else to feed them other than just corn and gr beens and HPW

Re: HPW Head Spinning, need clarification [Re: ] #736116
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Gliders do not drink a lot of water. As long as they are getting a small amount along with their regular diet they are alright.
The HPW diet allows for corn, peas, green beans, snap peas. Fruit would be cantaloupe, honeydew, watermelon, blueberries, raspberries, (I'm sure there's more).
You will find that they don't always clean their plates. As long as they are eating most of their meal I wouldn't worry that they are not getting enough.
How much are you putting out for them. I believe the amount should be 1 tbsp HPW, 1 tbsp fruits, and 1 tbsp of veggies.

Re: HPW Head Spinning, need clarification [Re: LSardou] #736124
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Actually HPW is one and a half teaspoons of HPW per glider...:)


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Re: HPW Head Spinning, need clarification [Re: BindiAndScrubbie] #736126
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yes 1.5 tsp per glider or 1 tbs per pair

then 1 tbs veggies and 1 tbs fruit or if u have picky gliders like mine 2 tbs veggies per glider most nights

Re: HPW Head Spinning, need clarification [Re: BindiAndScrubbie] #736127
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And ps...since I switched mine, not only do they LOVE it...they have grown a lot and their fur is beautiful! an enormous improvement! And I mix the fruits, veggies and HPW all together otherwise, they single out stuff.


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Re: HPW Head Spinning, need clarification [Re: ValkyrieMome] #736158
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Does anyone know the Ca:P ratio of just the HPW mix itself? dunno Knowing that will help determine what fruits and veggies to include with the overall diet plan to help maintain the overall 2:1 Ca:P ratio. If it has a 4:1 Ca:P ratio, for instance, then finding high-calcium fruits and veggies wouldn't be a good idea.


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Re: HPW Head Spinning, need clarification [Re: KattyM] #736194
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http://www.glidercentral.net/gallery2/main.php?g2_itemId=104560

HPW diet 1 is Lucky_Gliders' computation of the HPW mixture alone w/o fruits and veggies,

ca:p = 5.92:4.56

Re: HPW Head Spinning, need clarification [Re: ValkyrieMome] #736202
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Quote:
There was never a set amount listed. Mealies are not really part of the diet - but rather a supplementation and/or treat - I believe?

I give my gliders 3-4 a night. My pregnant/nursing moms get about twice that.


That's about the same amount that I'm giving them...just wanted to make sure I wasn't giving them too many! wink Thanks.

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Re: HPW Head Spinning, need clarification [Re: BindiAndScrubbie] #736250
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Originally Posted By: BindiAndScrubbie
Actually HPW is one and a half teaspoons of HPW per glider...:)


thumb Thank you for correcting me on that.

Re: HPW Head Spinning, need clarification [Re: ssdreamsicles] #737117
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Originally Posted By: ssdreamsicles
The instructions i got with my hpw say to use 1/2 cup powder for breeding females. It has been said 1/3 on here which is right? Am i giving my too much?


The HPW recipe says to increase the HPW powder to 1/2 cup for lactating females. Some breeders increase to only 1/3 cup. The intention, I believe, is to increase the amount of protein in the diet for lactating females (to mimic their diet in the wild). There is some debate as to whether or not it is necessary in captivity. You are following the design of the HPW diet if you increase to 1/2 cup for breeding pairs.

There are some pretty good tips & even a video on how to make HPW on my site:
http://www.sweet-sugar-gliders.com/sugar-glider-hpw-diet-high-protein-wombaroo-recipe.html

I hope that helps. It seems like everyone did a pretty good job of answering the original post. I know the diet stuff can be really intimidating at first. I'm still learning too.

Misty

Re: HPW Head Spinning, need clarification [Re: KattyM] #737118
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Originally Posted By: KattyM
Does anyone know the Ca:P ratio of just the HPW mix itself? dunno Knowing that will help determine what fruits and veggies to include with the overall diet plan to help maintain the overall 2:1 Ca:P ratio. If it has a 4:1 Ca:P ratio, for instance, then finding high-calcium fruits and veggies wouldn't be a good idea.


HPW is 1.29:1 ca:ph ratio.

Misty

Re: HPW Head Spinning, need clarification [Re: IowaMisty] #737291
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Thanks on the ratio, guys! (Or I should offer great thanks to Lucky_Glider. smile ) I also found this thread, for those interested: HPW DIET NUTRITIONAL ANALYSIS. So, because the HPW ratio is a little over 1:1, you'd be shooting for roughly a 2:1 ratio with the fruits and veggies. smile


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Re: HPW Head Spinning, need clarification [Re: IowaMisty] #737314
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Originally Posted By: IowaMisty
Originally Posted By: ssdreamsicles
The instructions i got with my hpw say to use 1/2 cup powder for breeding females. It has been said 1/3 on here which is right? Am i giving my too much?


The HPW recipe says to increase the HPW powder to 1/2 cup for lactating females. Some breeders increase to only 1/3 cup. The intention, I believe, is to increase the amount of protein in the diet for lactating females (to mimic their diet in the wild). There is some debate as to whether or not it is necessary in captivity. You are following the design of the HPW diet if you increase to 1/2 cup for breeding pairs.

There are some pretty good tips & even a video on how to make HPW on my site:
http://www.sweet-sugar-gliders.com/sugar-glider-hpw-diet-high-protein-wombaroo-recipe.html

I hope that helps. It seems like everyone did a
pretty good job of answering the original post. I know the diet stuff can be really intimidating at first. I'm still learning too.

Misty


I have been doing the 1/2 cup for my females and so far so good. I wonder is 1/3 cup is enough? Thanks for the link ill be sure to check it out!

Re: HPW Head Spinning, need clarification [Re: ssdreamsicles] #737506
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I'm no expert, so I can't really say if 1/3 cup is enough. I just know that the diet was designed by a well-known breeder & vet & their instructions say to use 1/2 cup when your females are lactating (babies in pouch or nursing out of pouch). I tend to think that any variations that are made should be done with research & a lot of thought because they're kind of at your own risk. In this case, I would guess that using 1/3 cup isn't hurting them at all. Some breeders believe you don't need to increase the protein like this, you just need to offer a little more food in general. But like I said, I'm no expert about it yet....and those breeders tend to say that with HPW you should stick to what it says to do...so for my gliders, I just do what I'm told. I will say I have read that it's good to give your gliders a break between breeding sessions from the extra protein version.

Misty

Re: HPW Head Spinning, need clarification [Re: IowaMisty] #737529
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well i think id rather be safe then sorry. Ill stick to the 1/2 cup. I do put them on the reg when they do not have joeys. One of my females carmella always takes a break between joeys but this time the little stinker dropped 2 in right after she weened kahlan...she said mom thinks she has me all figured out lol watch this!

Re: HPW Head Spinning, need clarification [Re: ssdreamsicles] #737589
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The 1/3 of a cup is something some members do as a variation to the recipe. But the recipe calls for either 1/4 for non-pregnant/lactating females or 1/2 cup if they are for the wombaroo powder.

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Re: HPW Head Spinning, need clarification [Re: MatchMakerMagic] #737640
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I think I might be guilty of confusing everyone here.

I posted that I use 1/3 a cup all the time. I do this rather than make 2 separate batches for the pregnant and non-pregnant gliders.

It was not recommended by Peggy. The correct ratios are as Kinue stated - 1/2 a cup for pregnant, 1/4 for non-pregnant.


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