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Calcium? #721833
01/23/09 03:29 AM
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Wasn't sure if this should go in health or diet, so I just picked one.

I know that too little calcium in a diet causes HLP, but how is a glider's health affected if there is TOO MUCH calcium in it's diet?


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Re: Calcium? [Re: DeeDancer] #721841
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I googled it. "what happens when a sugar glider gets too much calcium?"

It gave me this. Look at part two LoL.

http://www.ehow.com/how_4599754_care-sugarglider.html


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Re: Calcium? [Re: chattrbabe] #721842
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Wait. Sorry. It's in tips at the bottom.
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A calcim deficient sugar glider will not be able to move their back legs! Be sure to provide supplemental calcium. BUT NOT TOO MUCH! Calcium deposits will form in a sugar glider that ingests too much calcium. If either of this happens, get your sugar glider to a vet specializing in small animals, immediately!


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Too much calcium (hypercalcemia) can mimic HLP in that weakness, lethargy, muscle tremors, seizures, and organ failure (among other symptoms) can be present in either. Too much calcium is extremely stressful to the organs and can shut down the heart. Which is why even if you have a glider who does have HLP, the vet should not (generally speaking) administer a calcium injection, because the sudden increase of calcium in the blood stream can cause a heart attack (if I recall correctly).

If you look up MBD (Metabolic Bone Disease) in animals and Hypercalcemia in animals, you will get a lot of sites that pop up and explain the symptoms and causes. thumb

Last edited by sugarlope; 01/23/09 04:03 AM. Reason: must be tired, lol

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shock Omg thanks for that info Gretchen!!! shock


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Hlp is actually very rare with the diet plans that are now available,

something to keep in mind though is that hlp is commonly misdiagnosed, when in actuality most of the time it is a bacterial infection

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This is a little off topic, but if a vet treats a glider with HLP symptoms for HLP but it's actually a bacterial infection, what happens to the glider? Also, is there a way to test for an infection that would cause HLP symptoms?

Back on topic...
Okay, so. Even if we're both feeding an "approved" diet, the fruits and veggies that I feed my gliders may differ from the fruits and veggies someone else uses. I mean, even the fruits and veggies that I use from batch to batch are not the same (based on what is in season and what is available). So why is it not cause for concern if I am feeding fruits and veggies that are higher in calcium one batch than I fed last batch? (I'm not directly talking calcium to phosphorus ratios here, I'm talking actual usable calcium content).

Also, where did diet fatigue come in? How come some people think that gliders get "bored" with their food and some people insist that they don't? I'd like to hear from people that think either of these things (either believe in diet fatigue or don't) and why they feel that way.

Sorry for all of the questions. I've been trying to figure out diets and I have so many questions I feel like my brain may explode.

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Re: Calcium? [Re: DeeDancer] #722015
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Dee, bacterial infections can be detected with fecal tests and/or blood tests. These should be done if you suspect calcium issues with the glider. If there is a bacterial infection and it is not treated, then giving extra calcium will not help the glider.

As well as bacterial infections, certain foods can make it difficult for gliders to absorb calcium as well. Foods high in iron for example, such as spinach, while good for gliders OCCASIONALLY, should not be fed on a daily basis as it can inhibit the absorption of the calcium, regardless how much calcium is in the diet. Phosphrous is another calcium inhibitor and why the over all diets needs to be atleast 2:1 ca:ph ratio

Generally, if it is ONLY a calcium deficient diet that is causing the HLP, that is usually slow onset. With sudden onset of HLP, other causes needs to be looked for so the glider gets proper treatment.


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Thanks Teresa. Your response brings up ANOTHER question though (lol-seems like I have questions about everything I read lately). From being iron-deficient myself, I know that collards are pretty high in iron (DEFINITELY not as high as your example, spinach, but still pretty high). Collards also have a high calcium to phosphorus ratio. SO-are collards a good thing to feed or not? They're high in iron AND calcium.


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Re: Calcium? [Re: DeeDancer] #722055
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When I was housing my son's iggys, we had collards in the house all the time and I fed it as a treat. Again, only as a treat but the gliders loved it.

A lot depends on the diet you are feeding. I'm not sure if the high iron would counteract the high calcium or at what rate. Guess I'm not much help.

I keep my gliders on a pretty steady regular diet (Reeps) with the same basic foods each night (same vegies etc) with treats like eggs, chicken, greens or avacado given on occasion.

One thing I see often posted is mealies are good source of protien. They really aren't. The main benefit of mealies is the extoskeleton helps keep their teeth clean, not the protien in them.


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Re: Calcium? [Re: DeeDancer] #722078
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Originally Posted By: DeeDancer
This is a little off topic, but if a vet treats a glider with HLP symptoms for HLP but it's actually a bacterial infection, what happens to the glider? Also, is there a way to test for an infection that would cause HLP symptoms?
As far as the calcium in the system, usually nothing (short term) but since the underlying infection was not treated, the glider will continue to get weaker and sicker and unless the problem is discovered and treated, the glider cannot recover on his/her own.

Originally Posted By: DeeDancer
Also, where did diet fatigue come in? How come some people think that gliders get "bored" with their food and some people insist that they don't? I'd like to hear from people that think either of these things (either believe in diet fatigue or don't) and why they feel that way.
That is a great question, I recommend you ask this question in a new thread so more people will see it (you will receive more responses) and we keep this thread on topic.


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Re: Calcium? [Re: DeeDancer] #722086
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Thanks Gretchen, I'll make a new thread. For people just coming in, I'm still looking for the answer to this question:

Originally Posted By: DeeDancer
Okay, so. Even if we're both feeding an "approved" diet, the fruits and veggies that I feed my gliders may differ from the fruits and veggies someone else uses. I mean, even the fruits and veggies that I use from batch to batch are not the same (based on what is in season and what is available). So why is it not cause for concern if I am feeding fruits and veggies that are higher in calcium one batch than I fed last batch? (I'm not directly talking calcium to phosphorus ratios here, I'm talking actual usable calcium content).


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