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Could someone share the first few Leu and Moasic ? #796801
06/20/09 09:40 PM
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Jupiter, Florida
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I am really new to gliders again- and since I have been away, the new color morphs have exploded.

I am really interested in them, but haven't been able to find information that I am curious about.
A breeder I am talking to said that there was originally 3 Leu's that were brought in, hence the original three lines. Is this the case? Could anyone tell me the names?

How about the Moasic's? Could anyone tell me where the first ones came from? Crop up's from breeding the one's with white tails or?

Also, I know that there is a national glider lineage database, but why don't we have a registry like many other breeds of animals do?
I also raise horses, and am spoiled in a way, as I can with in a few keystrokes get all the information I am looking for.
I am glad I found this collective group of people, I have been wandering around, and the amount of support and care I see is just wonderful.
Thank you in advance!
Whit


Mom to (heaven help me!) Three pairs of wonderful Glider kids-
Nero :rtmo:
Cupid a :cream: & Ceres :rtmo: +1 boy oop
Warbuck :plat: & Lysia :rtmo: & Clarissa with Twins oop each!
http://palmbeachgliders.webs.com/
Re: Could someone share the first few Leu and Moasic ? [Re: SugaWhit] #797074
06/21/09 05:24 PM
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There was only 1 leu that was imported and that was Cheese. He was imported from Indonesia with Mac(a mosaic). The other leus came from grays that turned out to be leu hets. 1 of the lines came from a woman in Arkansas. Her gray girl gave birth to 2 leus: Sammie and Sesamie. The other line came from some leu hets in Canada. There were 3 leus: Ethan, Gabriel, and Fizban.

There are now 2 more leu lines: the Snow White line(Priscilla Price owns Snow White) and the Magnolia line(Sheila Willson owns Magnolia).

There are 3 mosaic lines: Mother White(not sure where she was from), Mac(from Indonesia), and the sterile line(not sure where they originated...they weren't sterile to begin with, but the breeder who got the first mosaics inbred them to the point of sterility :\ ).

Here are the 2 main sugar glider databases:

http://www.thepetglider.com/index/online-pedigree-program.html

http://www.sugargliderdatabase.com/

It's not required that people register their gliders, so not all gliders are in there.


~Nicole~

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Re: Could someone share the first few Leu and Moasic ? [Re: Guerita135] #797479
06/22/09 05:20 PM
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Thank you thank you thank you.
I have been hunting all over the place for that information, and you are the first to put it all together so nicely.


Mom to (heaven help me!) Three pairs of wonderful Glider kids-
Nero :rtmo:
Cupid a :cream: & Ceres :rtmo: +1 boy oop
Warbuck :plat: & Lysia :rtmo: & Clarissa with Twins oop each!
http://palmbeachgliders.webs.com/
Re: Could someone share the first few Leu and Moasic ? [Re: SugaWhit] #797491
06/22/09 05:43 PM
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Agreed. I love hearing about "sugar history".

Re: Could someone share the first few Leu and Moasic ? [Re: ] #797611
06/23/09 12:03 AM
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No problem. wink

I'm working on putting all the info on my site, but it's slow-goings because I've been pretty busy lately.

Here's what little I've got up so far: http://justforfuzzies.com/gliders/genetics

I haven't added the mosaics yet because I need to refresh my memory on those first.


~Nicole~

Proudly enslaved by lots of silly suggies, 3 crazy kitties, a huffy hedgie, and a pretty puppy! grin
Re: Could someone share the first few Leu and Moasic ? [Re: Guerita135] #797640
06/23/09 04:01 AM
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The Leucistic Cheese is a she. LOL Mac was the Platinum Mosaic male. This pair of gliders were imported. Together they produced only Leu Hets and Mosaics.

The gliders that were imported from Canada were... two Leus... Fizban and Gsbriel. The Leu Ethan was sold to another canadian in Canada and died a few years later but a few hets from Ethan have been sold here in the states.

The first 100% hets were a brother and sister pairing and were imported from Canada and named Micky and Mimnie out of Ehan. With them came two offspring... one Leu female named Salene and her brother a 66% Possible Het and his name is Shy Baby.

The two Leus born here in the states were from a couple in Arkansas and they were not breeders. Lineage was unknown as both parents (Possibly one or both) were 100% Leu Hets. The gliders orig came from Texas as rehomes. The group contained a set of adults (male recently altered) alomg with two young male offspring (they unknowingly would have been Possible Leu Hets). With all this in mimd... we are not sure who the father was.
The Leus were sold seperately... the adults were left together and the male offspring were seperated from the pair and never sold. There were no other offspring produced from this family of gliders. The two Leucistics were named Sammy and Sesamie.

When doing lineages... and if far enough back... you will find Midkey and Minnie, Sesamie and Shy Baby and a couple with Salene, and also Fizban in their lineages. Gabriel only produced two offspring and died about four years after being imported. Ethan produced Hets.

These gliders mentioned above along with the second generation that they produced are the foundation lines for all of the Leucistics now seen.

As to the Snow White Leus... she was a White Mosaic. I am not sure how the Leu came about in her lineage without hsving introduced a Leu or Leu Het to her or to one of her offspring that was paired to a Het or a Leu. Now take that offsping breed for a few generations to other hets or Leus. So that does not make it a New Leucistic Line that suddenly appeared out of Snow White as the Leu gene would have been introduced to her offspring. Thus the breeder is calling it the Snow White Line. Now I am guessing as to how this has come about as I know Priscilla has been working on establishing Pure Lines. So, the point is... Snow White was not a Leu but rather the Leu was introduced into her offsprings lineages Creating a bred out Leucistic Line that Priscilla is now calling it the Snow White Leucistic Line. Seems a bit confusing since "Snow White" is a Mosaic and not a Leucistic.

As to the new Leu Line from Sheila... I am not sure about that either. Sheila has never discussed it with me. But I would think if the lineage is correct there is a het somewhere in that pedigree. Even if the Leucistic was bred out for ten or twenty generations... the so called 1% Possible Het Leu gene which Proves out by producing a Leucistic still had to come from one of the Original Lines. If not... then there was an accidntal breeding somewhere in ones breeding program. So my guess is she has produced a very bred out Leu and is calling it a New Leucistic Line.

breeders are developing their own lines so we shall see more of this in the future. But remember... these New Lines are the result of breeding out with the Foundation lines being dropped off of the pedigree. If the breeder is unable to trace the so called New Leu Line back in the pedigree to the Foundation Lines of the Leucistic I would question a so called New Line from "any" breeder.

Original Lines of the Leucistics are just that... and they should be known as the "Foundation Lines" where all of the Leucistics have originated from. Every Leucistic produced should be traced back to them.

PS: As to the Mosaic... Mother White and a mosaic, she was the mother of Snow White the Mosaic.


Re: Could someone share the first few Leu and Moasic ? [Re: Judie] #797949
06/23/09 06:09 PM
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Jupiter, Florida
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Okay-
So the Leu's are pretty easy to trace it seems-
But what about the Mosaic's?
Was it just breeding white tip tails to each other and getting more and more white?
Did most come from that male Mac then?
(This would explain the Mac and Cheese thing I see on Pet Glider then huh? That was completly confusing me!)
Or was there several born with the white feet collars etc just randomly? Can you trace the Mosaic's back pretty easily?
What about the sterile line- what happened there?


Mom to (heaven help me!) Three pairs of wonderful Glider kids-
Nero :rtmo:
Cupid a :cream: & Ceres :rtmo: +1 boy oop
Warbuck :plat: & Lysia :rtmo: & Clarissa with Twins oop each!
http://palmbeachgliders.webs.com/
Re: Could someone share the first few Leu and Moas [Re: Guerita135] #799092
06/26/09 04:02 AM
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Urm the one imported from Indonesia (Cheese and Mac) do you or anyone else have their contact? Coz i live in an Asia too which is closest by and is looking around for some Leu's or Mosaics.

Sry im not sure Who Cheese and Mac belongs too XD

Re: Could someone share the first few Leu and Moas [Re: ] #799098
06/26/09 04:53 AM
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Mac and Cheese were imported into the US. The "breeder" in Indonesia was a mill. :\ That was many years ago though, so I doubt that place even exists any more.

I don't think anyone knows who owns Mac and Cheese any more or if they're even alive. Perhaps Sheila would know?


~Nicole~

Proudly enslaved by lots of silly suggies, 3 crazy kitties, a huffy hedgie, and a pretty puppy! grin
Re: Could someone share the first few Leu and Moas [Re: Guerita135] #799137
06/26/09 09:01 AM
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I have some info on my site about the colors origins...

www.kryskritters.com/Sugarglider_Info.html

It has a bit of each of the colors history.


Krys DeRosa
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Re: Could someone share the first few Leu and Moas [Re: Guerita135] #799469
06/26/09 11:02 PM
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I wont be surprised if they were mill breeders. They have the worst condition of pets over there. They even sell pets in the morning market frown

I was thinking of importing too but i would need a contact of where to start. I know they have gliders in Thailand too, but not sure if they have leu's

Re: Could someone share the first few Leu and Moas [Re: ] #799528
06/27/09 05:43 AM
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Correct me if I am wrong, but I believe Judy had Mac and Cheese and recently sold them to Priscilla. She has joeys for sale that are from mac and cheese.


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Re: Could someone share the first few Leu and Moas [Re: wildlifeangel] #799533
06/27/09 06:58 AM
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Who has joeys that are from Mac and Cheese? Neither Priscilla nor Judie own Mac and Cheese. They were both owned by a woman named Dai Greene and she sold them to an unknown person and, as far as I know, no one knows who that person is. :\


~Nicole~

Proudly enslaved by lots of silly suggies, 3 crazy kitties, a huffy hedgie, and a pretty puppy! grin
Re: Could someone share the first few Leu and Moas [Re: Guerita135] #799553
06/27/09 09:16 AM
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Nadine, Priscilla has grandchildren from Mac and Cheese available, not direct offspring...


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