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Number of glider PPP Sells #806982
07/14/09 01:52 PM
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Thanks KarenE for kindly allowing me to post this.

A few weeks ago, I requested some information on Perfect Pocket Pets under the Freedom of Information Act. Here is a a breakdown of the last three years. Now remember this only deals with the sales of animals and doesn't include the money made from cages, food, wheels and toys.

All of us need to be asking the mill breeder Project what we can do to help. Also, there are more reports on other dealers/brokers being requested. Some of them I'm sure are probably peeing in thier pants right now. hehe

For 2006

Fee paid was $100.

This one shows Kathy as President and Virgil as VP.

The box that says “All business names, locations and all sites housing animals” just has the address in Cape Coral. No other locations are listed.

They checked the box indicating they are brokers.

They show zero animal sold and there is a hand written note that says “have not started doing business yet”

For 2007

Fee paid was $710.

This one only has Virgil’s name on it

Still only lists Cape Coral as housing animals.

This form is a little different and they selected the box that indicates they are class B dealers.

Line 8:

a. Total number of animals purchased in the last business year: 2784
b. Total number of animals sold in the last business year: 2784
c. Total gross dollars derived from regulated activities (sales, booking fees, commissions, etc): $556,800.
d. Dollar amount on which fee is based: $375,810.

Line d = line c less amount paid for the animals.


For 2008


Fee paid was $760.

This one only has Kathy as Pres/Treas and Virgil as Exec Director

Still only lists Cape Coral as housing animals.

This form is a the same as 06 indicates they are brokers.

Line 8:

a. Total number of animals purchased in the last business year: 5729
b. Total number of animals sold in the last business year: 5729
c. Total gross dollars derived from regulated activities (sales, booking fees, commissions, etc): $1,145,800.
d. Dollar amount on which fee is based: $716,125.

Line d = line c less amount paid for the animals


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Re: Number of glider PPP Sells [Re: hushpuppy] #806992
07/14/09 02:05 PM
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But how does that work for all these states, they are in?


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Re: Number of glider PPP Sells [Re: anjill_tree] #806993
07/14/09 02:08 PM
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I have asked for help finding someone to help us ( government ) and possibly someone who has the funds to help stop this craziness. I can't say who yet. But, if it works out , believe me, I'll be telling it.


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Re: Number of glider PPP Sells [Re: anjill_tree] #806999
07/14/09 02:14 PM
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Re: Number of glider PPP Sells [Re: anjill_tree] #807000
07/14/09 02:19 PM
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Normally when you are filing your annual reports every year and business taxes you are required to list all states you do business in and list revenue from these states. I know with the company I work for we have to report every state we do business in and file in states we have locations. It just blows me away how much money they make. They say they've sold 5729 gliders last year...I wonder what the mortality rate is.


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Re: Number of glider PPP Sells [Re: wclanton423] #807019
07/14/09 03:44 PM
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Anita is that my Kathy here in TH. I swear (no I wont but I am thinking it!)


I am on the verge of a full blown SCREAM!!!!!!!!!!!!!


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Re: Number of glider PPP Sells [Re: cyndiekb] #807021
07/14/09 03:47 PM
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Uhm...That's Kathy Klunder wife to Virgil Klunder and owner of Perfect Pocket Pets. Ok, go ahead and scream then come back to earth with us. LOL


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Re: Number of glider PPP Sells [Re: hushpuppy] #807141
07/14/09 06:59 PM
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c. Total gross dollars derived from regulated activities (sales, booking fees, commissions, etc): $1,145,800.
d. Dollar amount on which fee is based: $716,125.

Line d = line c less amount paid for the animals


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Re: Number of glider PPP Sells [Re: SugaWhit] #807164
07/14/09 07:25 PM
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Cornersville TN I'M HOME :)
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I'd love a cool Mil but not at the expense of an animal

Waiting on same info for Suncoast and hmm I should get the TN Kathy too.


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Re: Number of glider PPP Sells [Re: cyndiekb] #807170
07/14/09 07:39 PM
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Wow. just WOW.


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Re: Number of glider PPP Sells [Re: LabNGliderMom] #807278
07/14/09 09:51 PM
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Re: Number of glider PPP Sells [Re: Lynsie] #807422
07/15/09 04:27 AM
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Makes me want to puke... and how many of these animals were sold to people who did not know anything about the animals... and how many were sold as "breeders".

AND where the holy [censored] did they get that many animals if they are "not breeding?" GRR


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Re: Number of glider PPP Sells [Re: wildlifeangel] #807424
07/15/09 04:54 AM
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Originally Posted By: wildlifeangel
AND where the holy [censored] did they get that many animals if they are "not breeding?" GRR


A breeder is selling to them.


Thank you for posting this information. When the information for Suncoast and the others that were requested comes in, will it be posted, too?


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Re: Number of glider PPP Sells [Re: DeeDancer] #807436
07/15/09 07:23 AM
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Mims, Florida, USA
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It will be posted here as long as the admin allow it. I know that they hate what these dealers do as much as the rest of us, but I don't want to put them in a position where they are uncomfortable.


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Re: Number of glider PPP Sells [Re: hushpuppy] #807439
07/15/09 07:32 AM
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Do we have any idea what breeders are selling to them? Would it be anyone that the community is aware of?


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Re: Number of glider PPP Sells [Re: wildlifeangel] #807451
07/15/09 08:29 AM
07/15/09 08:29 AM
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We do not know which breeders are selling to them. There are a few breeders online that advertise they will sell wholesale but we don't know if they are the ones.

As far as I know there are only two ways to find out that information and both are extreme. One would be to infiltrate their business. The other would be to slander them bad enough to have them file a lawsuit against you. They would have to open their records to prove that what you said was slander.

As far as documentation that could be requested under the FOIA, that might provide a source of animals,I don't know of any. Some of you have a lot more experience with USDA/APHIS than I do so, if you know of documents that can be requested, please request them or let me know and I will request them.


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Re: Number of glider PPP Sells [Re: hushpuppy] #807454
07/15/09 08:39 AM
07/15/09 08:39 AM

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Well, we already know (PPP) Perfect Pocket Pets is contracted with CCW for their cages.. are they still not breeding as well?

Re: Number of glider PPP Sells [Re: ] #807459
07/15/09 08:49 AM
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I just came off CL and of course there are listings there for suggies, and in the descriptions they list (PPP) Perfect Pocket Pets!! It's just ridiculous! Why have they not been stopped yet?! frown

Re: Number of glider PPP Sells [Re: ] #807463
07/15/09 08:58 AM
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I think CCW does breed some. I called in past to see if he had different colors, not, expecting a yes. And ,sure enough, he did. After that . he called me numerous times to try and get me to buy one. NOT. And, Sandman, had white faces, so, where are they getting them?


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Re: Number of glider PPP Sells [Re: anjill_tree] #807543
07/15/09 12:15 PM
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Cornersville TN I'M HOME :)
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Sandman (as I understand it) had one of the first WF so he had them a long time.

People this info is out there all you have to do is follow the link Anita gave in one of her other posts. Pick a mill/breeder/pet store and ask for the info. When they see enough of us are looking they may get off their duff and change some things. Our concern for the animals should say something.

We could do more but we can't even agree within our little group about a minimum standard. As you can tell I am not the English teacher legal brain to get this rolling. (just look at the way I type lol) I am however trying to do my part. I will post the info when I get it. I would advise helping Linda with the mill breeder project. (something I plan to do when I get back home (to hard while brain is on summer break)


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Re: Number of glider PPP Sells [Re: cyndiekb] #807589
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PM'S ARE FULL, ANITA, CAN YOU PM ME LINK? THANKS


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Re: Number of glider PPP Sells [Re: anjill_tree] #807720
07/15/09 06:25 PM
07/15/09 06:25 PM

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Sad, just flippin' sad!!

I would never have guessed they were making that much off exploiting suggies. I can't imagine the sheer volume of animals it took to generate that much money.

Not surprising why there are so many rescued/re-homed gliders out there. The public just doesn't know about them, or gliders in general, and they fall in love with them only to find out later what a commitment they are.


Last edited by LSardou; 07/15/09 06:28 PM. Reason: edited
Re: Number of glider PPP Sells [Re: ] #808052
07/16/09 12:42 PM
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I am absolutly floored! These people can rot! All those poor poor suggies! cry


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Re: Number of glider PPP Sells [Re: rdobbie23] #808078
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The way they treat their animals makes me sick....they dont care what happens as long as they are making money!! This is the same with some of the rescues I have ran across. Some people put on a good front but all they care about is the money...they are sick sick people!!!!


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