I thouhgt I posted this here but can't find it. I will move my posts from the other board over for you.

The spot on her underarm is now double in size and she is starting to mess with it. She goes in tomorrow at 9 am. I already let Sheila know. I am worried more that Haley will mess with this spot and open herself up. I need to and want to get her cage buddy in wihther but I have to wait till I KNOW Haley is going to be ok. The last thing I need is 2 gliders messing with this spot. I am ready if she ends up needing surgery. As already as I can be anyway. I love this girl and I am worried!

I wont know anything till tomorrow. We went in a couple weeks ago and she was given antibiotic and anti fungal along with a topical skin soother. that was just for the bald area. The vet said other than being fat she was fine. The fecals were clear and the health check was ok too. So what ever this spot is had grown and she is picking at it. Then the spot was about the size of my pinky fingernail. It looked like over grooming then but I thought it was a hard spot in her fat. (this is on the place we call man 'Boobs' on the fat boys) I thought maybe she did it running in the wheel but it didn't make since they the fur was gone in a perfect circle. So now this is a limp about the size of the top part of my finger (from the knuckle to the tip) it is red and has what looks like a small scab.


It's just stress!?! Hers and mine but stress none the less.

She is over grooming and has aggravated the area causing swelling and she has a puncture now. Looks like her tooth went in to the lump.

She is on antibiotics, anti anxiety, and anti inflammatory pain meds. She also has a topical soother for the area.

now if having to give meds 2 times a day doesn't stress US both out more all should be good. The vet made her meds chicken flavored and she seems to take it better than last time.

They want me to get her in with a cage mate as soon as the hole is healed up. Cage by cage and then try tent time. I will be a worry wart tho. He better be nice to my girl.

OH she didn't eat well last night and she was still 2 grams more than last visit


Haley is in an ecollar. The meds do not seem to be helping and she continues to over groom. I have tried keeping and eye on her and if i hear her grooming I stop her. today during meds time I saw she has put a hole in her skin in addition to the small puncture she had. It looks like she was trying to eat her arm pit. I have cleaned and dress the area. She is on pain meds and antibiotics already. I am just in tears. I feel so helpless.




I called Linda. She must have known I was having problems with my fluffy butt and ecollars. I couldn't keep them on. Seems Haley has no neck. She has spent most of the last 12 hours wrapped like a burrito. I let her out to eat and run in her wheel under my eagle eye only and when she thought it was time to groom her sore I burrito-ed her again. We slept on the couch that way all nigh and my back hurts!

I wasted my time (3 hours) and money last night going to the ER vet. They told me everything I already knew. I am sooo angry. I will have Haley back at Dr Dan's office in the morning. They will have to clean the necrotic skin off and THEY WILLLLLLL have to fix my girl. With all the pain meds and nerve meds and antibiotics she is on there is absolutely NO reason she should still be chewing her self unless this is more than simple over grooming.


OK it was confirmed I wasted my time and money with the ER vet. Seems when they called to confirm the new pain meds they lead my vet to understand they were going to treat the wound. THEY DID NOT. She was a little shocked when she saw they left it untreated. I showed up at 10 am. The vet was totally booked till 2. Anyone who knows me knows that is unacceptable. So I ended up leaving Haley so they could see her between patients. I knew they were going to sedate her and remove the dead tissue from the area. I thought it would be done when I got back at 2. Imagine my disbelief when it wasn't. The vet said we must have crossed wires they thought I wanted to talk to them before it was done. NO I WANT HER FIXED. So anyway they went over what I wanted done and the cost (sometimes is best not to know *know what I mean lol*) I asked for rays, blood work, and biopsy from the wounded skin area.


This is what they wrote in the notes from the vet

Today we debrided Haley's wound and removed the necrotic tissue. On cytology of the area I found a lot of inflammatory cells, but no infectious organisms other than the occasional bacteria as we suspected. We have submitted a biopsy of the area that will hopefully confirm this, but let us know if there is something else going on that is contributing to her issue. The results should take about 7-10 days. Her blood work showed mildly elevated liver enzymes, but they seem to be fairly consistent with a lot of gliders I see, so I'm not sure if this is clinically significant or not. I will call you with the rest of her blood work as soon as it is in. On her x-rays we did find that there is possible arthritis in her left shoulder joint, so if this is painful that could certainly explain why she is mutilating in this area over others. Today we have started 2 additional medications of pain, Tramadol (an opioid like morphine, but shouldn't make her sleepy), and Cosequin which is a joint supplement that is beneficial for animals with arthritis. The Cosequin can be given indefinitely if it seems to help her, but may take longer to start showing effect where the Tramadol should start to work immediately. I suggest you save the Ace/Torb combo the Er vet gave you and use it if you see her mutilating or she is having a particularly bad day. Please continue giving the antibiotic as instructed and Meloxicam as needed for pain.

Today we wrapped the area to keep her from chewing at it. If she leaves the bandage in place please change it every other day by applying the soother plus or neosporin, cutting Telfa pad to cover, a wrapping with vetwrap.

I recommend seeing her for a recheck in 7-10 days as long as everything is going ok. This can be done here or at your regular vet in Nashville, where ever you are at the time. Thank you so much for trusting us with Haley's care and thanks for taking such good care of her!

And with all that said why do I still fell like i let Haley and Sheila down and why is it taking so much to fix my baby girl? I have to have her all better she has a hunk of a man waiting to go in with her. then I will have a happy pair and the world will be a perfect place for all.
I DREAM BIG


Oh the bacteria at the wound site was from Haley's mouth. The new hole is the size of a quarter and I think it is going to take FOR EVER to close up. Pray for Haley and a speedy recovery.

I am so sorry you and your Haley Girl are going through all of this. I know the anguish believe me. Many, many, Prayers are going out for you and Haley
Believe me, I dream Big too

Pat, Boo-Boo, and BJ

Cyndie I'm so sorry. You must be exhausted over this little girl. Hang in there. May be a long road but it sounds like she's headed in the right direction.

I'm trying to understand. They're not real sure what started it all but that pain from arthritis may have caused her to figit with the area? Arthirits like from running like mad in a wheel all night? This is all making MY own wheels turn.

Don't know if this is any new knowledge or not, but humans take tramadol. My husband and I have both had it. For pain to take as needed and for help sleeping/stress related to take on a daily basis.

Thanks for sharing Haley's (and your) troubles with us. If I lived near you I'd sure take shifts helping you care for her.

If you'd like to try a different type e-collar I can help you with a sour creme lid. Our vet sends home our neuters like this. They can lick food and water but only need help with fruits and veggies. I have pictures.

Sending prayers for you and your Haley

Cyndie,

Sending well wishes to you & Haley. I know how much you love that sweet fuzzbutt of yours. It stinks that you have to go through all of this with her & after only having her for such a short time. I hope she heals quickly for you. I know you're taking awesome care of her. I can just picture you sleeping on the couch with her all burritoed up. She probably makes for an adorable burrito. Keep us posted on her recovery.

Misty

Our thoughts are with you and Haley. Hoping she gets well VERY soon.

Awe, Poor Haley.

Good thoughts and prayers coming your way.

and more and just one more extra tight are sent your way, Cyndie!


Jen

My thoughts are with you both and many prayers are headed out for her.

Prayers, happy thoughts of healing going your way

Dear Lord she is such a pretty little girl, send an angel her way to sooth, comfort, and heal her....both of them. Haley's mom need comfort in this time too.

Amen

I feel so guilty.Today when I went to give Haley her morning meds her leg and foot were swollen. I didn't thing the vet wrap was that tight. I don't know if I did it or if she did trying to get out of it. I cut off the bandage after meds and let the air get to the wound. She is passed out in my lap in her pouch. I can see her every move. I will re bandage her later but for now she is resting better than she has in days and the swelling is going down in her leg and paw. She looks like a little princess when she is asleep. She was sleeping with one eye open. I guess she figures I an ok now or the meds are just really really good lol.

She is lucky to have such a good mommy to take care of her! I am sorry you and Haley are going through all this i hope she gets better soon!

OK I guess I need to update. I took Haley to the vet in TN for a follow up on Wed. She had another surgery. The vet felt the wound was too large and he stitched it closed. I can't vet wrap her because it is pulling her hair out and making another wound on her back. I left her at the vet I was not about to bring home a glider with no ecollar or bandage with stitches.

She did ok the first night, the second night he used a drop of glue to fix a small gap. I told him NOW she is going to open it up Keep an eye on her. I was wrong she left it alone. HOWEVER she made a new hole next to the old one. The vet said she has a pinched or inflamed nerve. He feels I can get her better but she will keep doing this. This is the same thing the NC vets told me ( a permanent ongoing issue). I need you all to be praying HARDER.

Poor baby! I'm praying as hard as I can. I'm so glad she has such a wonderful mommy!

Praying for you and little Miss Haley

"Haley! You leave your wounds alone so you can heal up, quit stressing Mommy (and us) out, and get back to bonding! You hear me! Straighten up girlie. We all love you

Thank you for the update ~ have been thinking about you guys.

KB, hugs hun. I know what you are going through and how this is tearing you apart. You know that you are in my prayers.

Haley removed her stitches today. I have her with glider friends and they took her to the vet for me. I told them no more surgeries. She has been put under to much and she has been thru [censored] and back all ready. She needs your prayers. She is not looking good. If she doesn't turn around fast I will be forced to end her suffering. She is just a shell of her former self. This is breaking my heart!

Oh Cyndie, I'm so sorry. Prayers big time for Haley. I know how she has had your heart for so long. This has to be so difficult for you. TONS of prayers for you and Haley.

I am so sorry

Dang I am sorry to hear that. You know that I am praying for that baby. I feel so bad for her and for you. If you need to talk, just give me a hollar. Luvs Ya. Hugs.

I am so sorry, Cyndie My prayers are with you both.

(((((HUGS))))) and Prayers!

Man, I was hoping no news was good news. I am so sorry for you and Haley, and Sheila too. This must be so hard for all of you to go through. I'm still hoping someday I'll get to meet that beautiful little girl

Cyndie I wish there was some way I could help you

Haley I will be thinking of you and your momma...

So sorry to hear this Cindy prayers going out for you and your loving baby haley.

KB, My biggest hugs are going out to you girl. I know you are hurting right now and you know like we talked the other day, if you need someone to talk to, I am here.

I know you will only do what is best for Haley girl. I am so so sorry you are going through this.

Cyndie, I'm Sending Prayers & Healing Huggs your & Haley's way. Keeping you both in my prayers.


Anita

i wish i could take it all away.it is so hard to watch them when they are hurting.my hope is that she will be able to stop her destruction,& allow the reconstruction to take place.
josefine

Haley just passed on her own.

I am now OOP

I am so sorry and I am very heart broken. That poor sweet baby
Haley will glide free now with our little loved ones that have crossed the rainbow bridge.
You have my deepest sympathies Cyndie

Pat

OMG Cyndie! I am so very sorry! I can't imagine your sadness - or Sheila's. I am just so very sorry!!!

Cyndie, I am so sorry to hear about Haley. I know she loved you very much and will be waiting for you.

I am so sorry, Cyndie. Glide free little Haley!

Cindy,

I am so sorry for your loss. Haley knew she was loved. May your memories of her comfort you in the days to come.

Glide Free Haley

I just talked to Cyndie. Please keep her in your heart. She loves these little guys so deeply and she for sure adored Haley. Haley was a little fighter but she lost this battle. There are just so many unanswered questions right now. KB is going to have a necropsy done and hopefully that will shed some light on what was going on with this baby.

more ((((HUGS)))). Lighting a candle for your sweet Haley.

KB, Giant Hugs to you

You had waited so very very long to get her, and when you did, you did everything you could for her.

Prayers going out for comfort for you. I know you have to be devastated.

Please call me if you need anything or if you just want someone to cry with.

I know there are no words that will help so I'll just give you a hug so you know I/we are all thinking about you.

There are no goodbyes- just temporary separations. I wish there was more I could do but only my heart can ache with yours. I'm so sorry

Cyndie know we are all thinking of you at this time.
Remember Haley knew your love and that you did all you could for her. Many

I am so very sad for you Cyndie.
Haley is happy and healthy now, although she misses you terribly, too!
Please heal quickly, and keep only the happy memories with you...

I am so sorry Cyndie! Haley was a very special and BEAUTIFUL glider and I know she had your heart before you ever even had her in your hands. My heart hurts for you today.

Cyndie, I don't know what to say. We will talk down the road when you are ready. My heart breaks for you.

Godspeed, Sweet Haley.

Karin

Pappy (Mary) sends her love to both you Cindy and Sheila and many many hugs. Haleys' passing is devastating to all of us in the community who has watched her grow from birth from afar. Haley has been our "star" glider for years and now she has her own Star up above.

Look for the brightest star at night and the brightest rainbow in the day, Haley will be there leading the choir for all of our babies that have also passed.

In life here on earth and her life in Heaven, Haley will always shine bright until we all see her again...God Speed precious Haley, we love you and will miss you.

Cindy, we know how much you anticipated Haley and how much love you have for her. We pray your heart to heal each day until only good memories are held.

Haley's handprints will always be on your heart.

MASSIVE HUGS Cindy and Sheila

With Much Love,
Mary (Pappy) and Bridget

Cyndie and Sheila, I'm so very sorry. Haley is whole and healthy and gliding free of pain now.

I pray your hearts find peace and comfort quickly even though the loss will always be felt.

Cyndie, I'm so sorry. You know she had a long WONDERFUL life, both with you and Sheila. She is in no pain now gliding free with all of our others gliders that have gone over the rrainbow bridge. Sheila, I know you're devastated, if there is anything I can do for either one of you, please let me know. My hugs and prayers go out to both of you. She will be missed by the entire glider community. The "Famous" Haley. Glide free sweet girl.

Cyndie,

Although everyone knows I don't like gliders (shhhhhh) and I don't post often...I do know a little about you and a little about Haley and I want you to know that you did nothing wrong. You have loved Haley since she first came out of pouch and I am sure that she knew your love. I'm sorry for your loss.

Cyndie and Shiela Im so sorry for your loss. Hugs out to both of you.

I'm so sorry! It breaks my heart to this thread ending. Haley was loved so very much, always will be, by many.

Glide free over the Rainbow Bridge, precious Haley. You will be missed.

I'm so sorry Cyndie! We all know how long you waited for your beautiful girl. I can't fathom how much pain you must be right now. We're all here to support you.

I am so so sorry...

Cyndie and Sheila, words can't express my sorrow, for you both. I pray your grief will lesson one day.

Glide free precious Haley.

Cyndie & Sheila, What a sad day for you both. Please know I will be keeping you both in my prayers and sending healing hugs to both of you. Glide Free our sweet Haley. Know how deeply that you were loved here on earth by all our tears and know that you'll always be in our hearts.

Anita

to have been w/her is most wonderful for you. to have these little babies in all of our lives is a blessing that god has given us,& because of that i will always be greatfull.
i know you feel the same.
josefine

I am so sorry, Cyndie. My thoughts will stay with you through this time and on. I am so sorry you didn't have longer with her.

I'm just bawling ~ I don't even know what to say.

I am so sorry she's gone

I know how hard it must be for your both.

My heart goes out to you, Cyndie and Sheila, for the loss of your beloved Haley.

Cyndie, you did EVERYTHING in your power for Haley and to help her. You are such a WONDERFUL glider mama! I know Sheila could not asked for a better mom!

Many hugs go out to you both, Cyndie and Sheila!


Jen

I'm so sorry for you and Sheila. Many to you both.

I came to say mostly what has been said.

I'm so sorry for your loss, both CKB and Sheila. She was a special beauty. She was loved, and will be missed.

Hugs to you both.

this is very heartbreaking. words cannot express.


take care,
nancy

Everyone, Haley went peacefully early yesterday morning in her pouch lying on my chest being loved. I tried so very hard to will her to live. She was just out of strenght. She fought very hard all day Saturday. She even bit me! I wish there was something that my vet or I could have done for her that would have given us a miracle.
I've spoken with Cyndie & Sheila both.
Sheila is very upset as can be understood. She needs our extra prayers..
Cyndie & I spoke this morning when I took Haley one last time to the vet....she is coping just like me.
I only had her for a few days but this is as heart wrenching as losing one of my own.
We will all miss you, beautiful Haley...go now & suffer no more.

Thank you so much for coming here to fill us in. I just haven't been able to get it all out of my head. There was just something about her, even though I'd never met her, just the love that Sheila and Cyndie had for her. Something made her touch my heart. I'm just so sad for her suffering and for everyone involved. ~ I'm bawling again. I will continue to pray for you all

I am so very sorry to hear about haley I was so hoping for a better outcome. You both are in my prayers and thoughts. Hayley was such a special girl I know she will be missed.

Glide High little one. You are at last free and we all will miss you.

OMG! Im sooo sorry Cyndie and SHeila for your loss!
I never got to see Hailey in person as mama was very protective of her and i know she loved her dearly!

God speed little one!

I'm so sorry ...

TY everyone. There are some many this I want to say but just thinking about Haley not being here causes me chest pains and sever headaches. I miss her so much. Sheila I am sooo very sorry. I wish I could have done more/better

Cyndie I have been there before and it is a feeling I NEVER want to experience again
I send to you lots of hugs and I wish there was ANYTHING I could do to ease your pain
If there is anything I can do please do not hesitate to ask.
Glide Free with Lucy and Fivel little Haley

Pat

i know the pain. its been 5 yrs since i lost my ruby and still cry over her loss. when i talk about her.

I am so sorry for your loss