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White mosaic or leucistic? #834657
09/07/09 06:31 PM
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How do I know if a glider is a leucistic or white mosaic. The glider is white with a hint of charcoal on the ears, and a small bit of black beneath the nose above the mouth. Parents are mosaic and leucistic.

Re: White mosaic or leucistic? [Re: ] #834660
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That's a mosaic and it sounds like a cute one too! ^-^ A glider is only a leu if they're all white. If there's any black or grey on them if they're mostly white, then they're mosaics. :3 Just like, a glider that looks grey but has white hands and feet is a mosaic.


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Re: White mosaic or leucistic? [Re: Kiiru] #834661
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Do you have a pic. It is mosaic I just want to see.

Re: White mosaic or leucistic? [Re: ] #834664
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Pics? grin


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Re: White mosaic or leucistic? [Re: Guerita135] #834696
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and a small bit of black beneath the nose above the mouth.


How is that possible??

I also would like to see pics as a hint of black on the ears could also be a Leu


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Re: White mosaic or leucistic? [Re: Srlb] #834709
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Originally Posted By: Srlb
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and a small bit of black beneath the nose above the mouth.


How is that possible??

I also would like to see pics as a hint of black on the ears could also be a Leu


Really? 0.o Never knew that! And now that you point the black beneath the nose, above the mouth it has me wondering...how? Like on one of their lip thingies? dunno I still wanna see a pic too! laugh I looooove sugs with black dots on their ears!


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Re: White mosaic or leucistic? [Re: Kiiru] #834727
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A glider is only a leu if they're all white.


Not true. Lots of leus have gray tipped ears. Sometimes a picture can make it clear which one it is (mo or leu) and sometimes if it is only gray on the ears, you will not know what it is until it produces babies.


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Re: White mosaic or leucistic? [Re: Srlb] #834739
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Originally Posted By: Srlb
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and a small bit of black beneath the nose above the mouth.


How is that possible??

I also would like to see pics as a hint of black on the ears could also be a Leu


Maybe she's seeing the purplishness under the nose? Sometimes a glider will be like that right when they wake up.

Like this:



*No, I'm not choking her, lol, she's just a squirmybutt. roflmao


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Re: White mosaic or leucistic? [Re: queenduck] #834741
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Atreyu is a leucistic and he has a little bit of gray on the tips of his ears. I know some leus have much darker ear tips, though.

Here's a decent picture that shows his ears.



I'm also wondering about the black on the mouth though??? confused

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Re: White mosaic or leucistic? [Re: konotashi] #834752
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Nicole, that makes sense.

Marissa, is that your glider? It looks like a little sheep!!


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Re: White mosaic or leucistic? [Re: Srlb] #834823
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Originally Posted By: Srlb
Nicole, that makes sense.

Marissa, is that your glider? It looks like a little sheep!!


lol, yes, that's my baby, Atreyu. :3
That was within the first few days I had him, but his fur looks and feels much plushier now. smile

Re: White mosaic or leucistic? [Re: konotashi] #834925
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Okay. I think I understand. You all pointed out that purple area on the bottom of the nose. It just looks darker than the purple in the picture. However, you must be right, because at 2 am when I was up, it was barely visible. My camera needs a charger, so pics aren't possible right now. Besides the ears are lighter than the one above. I also understand that we may not be sure until we are sure, if a baby turns out mosaic.

So, am I getting this right? A normal mosaic has a base of grey. A white mosaic has a base of white (as in a leucistic in which the mosaic is disguised / hidden by the already white base)?

If this is the case, a white mosaic can then have offspring that are 100% het for leucistic?

Thanks for your help.

Re: White mosaic or leucistic? [Re: ] #834932
09/08/09 09:12 AM
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Originally Posted By: Anngie
How do I know if a glider is a leucistic or white mosaic. The glider is white with a hint of charcoal on the ears, and a small bit of black beneath the nose above the mouth. Parents are mosaic and leucistic.



In order for the joey to be a leu, the mosaic parent would also have to be carrying the leu gene. Do you know if they are?

Re: White mosaic or leucistic? [Re: ] #834950
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Originally Posted By: Aimee_K

In order for the joey to be a leu, the mosaic parent would also have to be carrying the leu gene. Do you know if they are?



Originally Posted By: Anngie
Parents are mosaic and leucistic.


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Re: White mosaic or leucistic? [Re: jacknsally] #834960
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Never mind....lol

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Re: White mosaic or leucistic? [Re: Suggiegramma] #835064
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My leu girls also have black spotted ears.

If you are planning on selling the little joey then you'd probably list it as a possible mosaic and have a contract if proven.

As long as you have one leucistic parent then the joey is a definate carrier of leu. Is your pairing one leu and one mosaic? Does the mosaic carry the leu het gene? If the mosaic doesn't carry leu het, then you've definately got a mosaic. Can you give a little more info about the parents?

Pics would help!


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Re: White mosaic or leucistic? [Re: tacasper] #835088
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Originally Posted By: Srlb
Marissa, is that your glider? It looks like a little sheep!!


roflmao Too funny Peggy!! What a cutie though!

Lulu is a leu with grey/black tipped ears.




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Re: White mosaic or leucistic? [Re: jacknsally] #835114
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Originally Posted By: jacknsally
Originally Posted By: Aimee_K

In order for the joey to be a leu, the mosaic parent would also have to be carrying the leu gene. Do you know if they are?



Originally Posted By: Anngie
Parents are mosaic and leucistic.



My Bad! I thought she meant that one parent was a leu and the other was mosaic! crazy

Re: White mosaic or leucistic? [Re: ] #836316
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Originally Posted By: Aimee_K
Originally Posted By: jacknsally
Originally Posted By: Aimee_K

In order for the joey to be a leu, the mosaic parent would also have to be carrying the leu gene. Do you know if they are?



Originally Posted By: Anngie
Parents are mosaic and leucistic.



My Bad! I thought she meant that one parent was a leu and the other was mosaic! crazy


Wait, isn't that what she meant? I'm confused now.... confused

Re: White mosaic or leucistic? [Re: konotashi] #836355
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It is very easy to tell if the mosaic parent does not carry the Leu gene. It cannot be a Leu if the mosaic parent is not a definite het for Leucistic

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Originally Posted By: Anngie
So, am I getting this right? A normal mosaic has a base of grey. A white mosaic has a base of white (as in a leucistic in which the mosaic is disguised / hidden by the already white base)?

If this is the case, a white mosaic can then have offspring that are 100% het for leucistic?

Thanks for your help.


Right to the first (if i'm understanding correctly) lol

you would have to breed your white mosaic to a leu in order to produce offspring that are definatley 100% leu.
Just because the glider is white (white mosaic) doesn't mean the offspring will be white. The White mo could produce an almost completely gray glider with just white hands and feet. It's luck of the draw with mosaics.

I hope i'm understanding your question correctly to help grin lol

Right now as I understand it, your glider is a 100% leu het. (mosaic parent with no leu background, and a leu) Even if you pair your mo with another 100% leu het the offspring would either be leu or 66% leu het. The only way to for sure produce a 100% leu het with your glider is to pair it with another leu. I hope that wasn't to confusing, and I hope it helped you.


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Originally Posted By: Aimee_K



My Bad! I thought she meant that one parent was a leu and the other was mosaic! crazy


No I think it's my bad roflmao - I didn't realize you asked if the mo had the leu gene. I thought you were asking if either of the parents were a leu.

So is the mosaic parent a leu het Anngie?


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